AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #24

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I'm going to say no. I have been to a lot of churches alone with kids in my life. I was a kid in church with just my mom for 20 years before that. Churches are typically full of women and kids without the father. Sad, but there is nothing at all special about this, and almost 100% of men in church are there because they are devoted to their own wife and children.

I waited until I went to church today to reply. Our church does have several single men. I would think other churches have single men in their congregation as well.

I think, unless evidence proves otherwise, any theory is a possibility. There is something “off” with this case. It’s not following the norm. I don’t think we can rule out theories just because that’s not something we’ve seen a lot of in the past.

JMO
 
I cannot imagine what salmonella at Jennie-O would have to do with the abduction of a 13 year old girl. My brain just can’t figure that one out so it is time for me to take a break.

I’m not on board with that either. I’m dismayed that we’ve reached that lull in the case where odd theories start to emerge. We can’t be there yet. There’s a thirteen-year-old that needs to be found.

Ladies in the car tell what you know.
 
Absolutely. If they survive to make it back to production, then they have to win back the consumer's confidence.

Jennie-O sells more than a billion pounds of turkey every year, so I don't think 91,000 pounds will put them out of business (although it would hurt a bit). Hormel has had several food recalls over the years, and I don't believe they've ever had an employee and his/her family wiped out because of one before. I'll be very surprised if it had anything to do with these deaths either. MOO
 
If it’s a work argument thing, maybe, but I will eat my hat if it has anything to do with salmonella. I know many in agriculture, one in the turkey industry, several in food safety, and one person in health inspections. This is near and dear to my line of work in education and PR. No, no, and no. Sorry. And Jayme is a Closs. Didn’t we just discuss the family dimple? Lots of good ideas for a movie or mystery novel though.
I believed and said on here, before this outbreak, that it was possible either James or Denise said something derogatory about an employee and that person was fired or quit. Thus the rage.
 
I’m not on board with that either. I’m dismayed that we’ve reached that lull in the case where odd theories start to emerge. We can’t be there yet. There’s a thirteen-year-old that needs to be found.

Ladies in the car tell what you know.
I have been hesitant to say this because you never know who reads here and the young ladies info seems to be public record at this time. that said I wonder if they have told something. I feel very strongly that the info on the cars did not come only from cctv. I think someone had real eyes on the cars, they may also have cctv, if the video is so poor they cant tell type of car better then how did the color of the cars get there? poor quality and color just do not at all go together on nighttime cctv.
 
Jennie-O sells more than a billion pounds of turkey every year, so I don't think 91,000 pounds will put them out of business (although it would hurt a bit). Hormel has had several food recalls over the years, and I don't believe they've ever had an employee and his/her family wiped out because of one before. I'll be very surprised if it had anything to do with these deaths either. MOO

I don't disagree with you, totally. The "they" in my post wasn't referring to Jennie-O necessarily, but just any company in this situation. I'm sure they will survive. but I'll just say this without leaving everything that is running through my mind "out there": I am NOT thinking about corporate execs being implicated here. And also this: websleuths is for floating theories, like it or not.
 
Still pondering that, KLM6. I’ve had a number of posts deleted so I’m reluctant to mention certain things. What I will share is how I profile James Closs, a humble man, pushing 60, who gets up in the morning and goes to work, puts in 60-80 hours a week (per Denise’s family). His work is manually exhausting, soul sucking, hard physical labor. He’s never been promoted into “management” but is considered senior in line status. I imagine he has friends at work and he’s trained his fair share of workers. Perhaps some have been promoted around him, over time. He has seen changes in the company and learned to roll with it. He gets along with his Supervisors and they expect him to be their eyes and ears (without their pay scale). He’s a company man of 26 years. It’s likely he’s crossed a few people.

What makes him tick is his family. He met Denise at work and their wedding picture tells the story. True love. The apple of their eye is their only child, a 13 year old daughter, Jayme. She is a beam of light in a rather dark world. She’s adored by their extended families. Like all parents, they want her to have a better life and if it takes beating up their own bodies to do it, so be it.

How would James and Denise feel if the very nature of their work made their daughter ill? What if the product they consume (a lot of ~ the company discounts for workers) as well as their own bodies, from contamination, are pathogens for an illness that just keeps coming back? Meds aren’t working and it escalates to atypical conditons requiring extensive medical care.

At what point does James admit there i something very wrong at work. He’s racked with guilt as if it’s his fault his daughter relapses. His wife misses work, she’s increasingly out taking care of Jayme. They are not feeling the love at work. She’s using up her “time” off allowance.

They had to know about the nationwide breakout of Salmonella Reading. Co-workers in WI and MN were more than likely stricken with it, perhaps hospitalized. Co-workers gossip.

We don’t know where James was that Sunday, lots of speculation. Could he have been meeting up with someone to talk about his work situation?. Could a foe be poisoning the well w/management? Was there union talk (again?).

I’m sensing a strong conflict around work. He just put in too many hours. A man half his age would have difficulty doing it. Perhaps Salmonella merely added another layer of stress to work. Their life was no walk in the park.

This is just an abstract opinion.

A beam of light in a dark world? All three were home that night.
 
I have read several news articles on this turkey recall. I have not seen the Jennie O in Barron WI mentioned in any of them. Is there a specific article that mentions Jennie O plant in Barron?
An excerpt from my post in an earlier thread:
“WASHINGTON, Nov. 15, 2018 – Jennie-O Turkey Store Sales, LLC, a Barron, Wis. establishment, is recalling approximately 91,388 pounds of raw ground turkey products that may be associated with an illness outbreak of Salmonella Reading, the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) announced today.“

Note, I am not suggesting this had anything to do with the Closs’ murders. Just answering a question.
 
I also think there is a elephant in the room that we must ignore or at least not speak of. my theory has much to do with a article that was posted here several threads back, it also was deleted so I can not speculate on that here. I can say I do not think family was or is anything but careing and kind and I do not think it is work place related to the household targeted and I don't think I think she had any online or other inapporate interaction with anyone.
I agree wholeheartedly! But what elephant?
 
A beam of light in a dark world? All three were home that night.

Working in animal slaughter and packaging isn’t for everyone. I can’t imagine putting in the hours that James did, especially at his age <Modsnip Immigrants> Perhaps my perspective looking into it from the outside world makes it bleak (to me). But you’re right, they were a family and I think they made their life happy together. Yet, I can’t help but think it wasn’t always easy.
 
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Yes, recalls are weathered. What doesn’t weather well these days are stock prices and the hungry appetite of short sellers who lay in wait for vulnerabilities. Anyone follow the stock market?
 
... can someone just say what “elephant” is in the room that people are suggesting/referencing? At this point, the theory might be hurtful but two people are dead and a little girl is missing! If the theory is wrong, well...isn’t that what WS is for?

Sorry I mostly lurk on here. Only post occasionally. I’m about to lose my mind with the bio dad and Jennie o discussions with the same news articles posted over and over. Not trying to be rude! But there are lots of circular discussions being rehashed on here.

Instead of complaining and not contributing, here is a topic for discussion. . . if we assume for the sake of discussion that Jayme was the target, why did the abductor(s) not try to sneak in and take her quietly from her room in the middle of the night? I think Jayme was the target but this question bothers me. Maybe fast and furious was a guaranteed way to get in and out with Jayme and no witnesses? Thanks!!
 
I don't disagree with you, totally. The "they" in my post wasn't referring to Jennie-O necessarily, but just any company in this situation. I'm sure they will survive. but I'll just say this without leaving everything that is running through my mind "out there": I am NOT thinking about corporate execs being implicated here.
I'm not even sure what your post said, I just quoted it because I got to the end of the thread and didn't feel like going back and looking for one that was talking about how devastating the loss was going to be for the company. I saw that you had responded to a post about the subject, and should have read it more closely. I probably would have been inclined to apologize for choosing the wrong post to quote if it hadn't been for that last comment. After all, even on Websleuths, mistakes are made: like it or not. MOO
 
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I've just read the thread and all the news front to back and have a few things that stand out and a theory.

1. Unless I missed it... does anyone know the relation of the local tribal lands with Barron law enforcement? There are three reservations in the immediate surrounding area and I'd be curious to know if they've been spoken with and/or if they historically cooperate with local law agencies? I think this is a REALLY important consideration. If they aren't historically cooperative it could provide a really good shield for someone who is keeping Jayme.

2. All the speculation about the salmonella outbreak at Jennie-O. While it seems far fetched to think this is linked, I have to wonder. No, a company as large as Hormel isn't going to feel a huge loss from a recall of this size and the resultant law suits. HOWEVER, management will have heads rolling. There will be people terminated / blamed / etc. This could potentially cause enough conflict to drive someone to murder. Again, I think it's far fetched but possible.

3. My working theory (subject to change). I believe the perp was known to Jayme based on LE's insistence that she was endangered, not a suspect and believed 100% to be alive. Be it someone she knew or someone her parents knew. I believe the murders took place around the 1230 time frame when the neighbor likely heard the shots. (mostly because I do NOT believe they happened in the 4 minutes it took police to respond ; that four minutes was precious get away time).

The perpetrator and Jayme remained in the house (I hesitate to post speculation on what was happening in this time but they could have been panicked, arguing or the perp could have been assaulting Jayme). Jayme seizes an opportunity and gets ahold of her mothers phone somehow, dialing 911. The perpetrator "catches her" and this is the scuffle heard on the 911 call. I also believe that something was heard by the dispatcher that led them to believe it was a potential suicide as it was originally dispatched. Maybe a threat to Jayme " I'll kill myself!"

The perp takes Jayme and bolts knowing that police are en route. I'm just not sure how they got away. My gut (with little to support it) is that it wasn't by car. There are likely a lot of people that know the land there extremely well. The only supporting "evidence" I have for this gut feeling is LE searching neighbors home. Makes me believe that they may have suspected a "on foot" or alternative (ATV) escape. Someone may have known the perfect place to hide out.
 
Working in animal slaughter and packaging isn’t for everyone. I can’t imagine putting in the hours that James did, especially at his age nor could I do that sort of work, I’m too soft. There is much talk in that area about immigrants taking jobs, being sponsored by Jennie-O because the locals don’t want to do the work. Perhaps my perspective looking into it from the outside world makes it bleak (to me). But you’re right, they were a family and I think they made their life happy together. Yet, I can’t help but think it wasn’t always easy.
I'm not sure who you've been talking to in that area, but most of the people I've known around there have grown up living and/or working on farms, and butchering turkeys doesn't bother them in the least. My sister worked for several years at one of the Jennie-o plants in Minnesota, my niece and several of her friends worked for another turkey processing company, and I've known several people who worked at Jerome's/Jennie-O in Barron over the years. The biggest complaint most of them had was getting used to the temperature difference when going in or out of work. Of course, I don't think any of them worked 60-80 hours a week. I personally couldn't do the work, but when you more or less have a choice between working there or driving to Rice Lake or the casino in Turtle Lake (which prevents you from being able to gamble there), a lot of locals would choose Jennie-O. MOO
 
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