AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #2

[Jethro4WS]

They are looking, per the pc.

I would expect that law enforcement has been out to not just sex offenders but a lot of the parolees or those on probation in the area to see if they know anything or heard anything.

 

[Platform9.75]

IMO Barron County is not equipped nor does the police force have the capabilities to properly handle a homicide investigation - especially one that has garnered nationwide attention. So going over the crime scene again with experts, and having a thorough autopsy from an ME and not a coroner is the best thing LE can do. I think everyone has heard of cases where the PD could have done more and didn't.

The press conference was frustrating because nothing new was stated, and made one think that LE is just as baffled as the public. I sincerely hope that is not the case and that Jayme will be found soon.

 

[chihuahua]

Toxicology results do take quite a while to get back.
Losing 2 to heroin overdoses within 3 years, it took forever to get them.
But that would not hold up normal homicide autopsy reports.
They would generally release just the basics, and that's all we're privy to anyway.
We would not be waiting on autopsy results due to toxicology IMO.
Chi

 

[imstilla.grandma]

During the 911 call Monday, the dispatcher heard a disturbance in the background but no one spoke directly to the dispatcher, Fitzgerald said.
When deputies arrived, they found Jayme's parents -- James Closs, 56, and Denise Closs, 46 -- dead. Fitzgerald said he couldn't immediately say how the couple died, but gunshots were involved, WQOW reported.
Autopsies were to be conducted Wednesday, Fitzgerald said. It unclear how long the parents had been dead.
"We believe Jayme was in the house when this took place," Fitzgerald told CNN affiliate WCCO.
Jayme Closs subject of Amber Alert after parents found dead - CNN

 

[borndem]

They should be able to figure out who's cell phone the 911 call came from and where

Do we know that LE has that particular cellphone?

(Pardon the questions -- I'm still in catch-up mode.)

they said they believe she was there are the time of the attack and the call.

Thanks -- that makes a lot more sense, to me. She was home, as she should be at that hour. I would have crawled under my bed, or hidden in a closet. If she did hide, either the intruders heard or saw her, or they knew she was there and they looked for her.

If they were truly after her, I would think they knew they would have to kill the parents. Kidnapping carries a tuff penalty, but it's not as bad as a double 1st degree murder.
Do we know if they took anything from the home or from her parents? A robbery gone bad, IMO, doesn't fit with what happened. It does look like they came there to get Jayme. But what they did to accomplish it was stupid, stupid, stupid -- but only if they get caught...

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About kidnapping and murder in Wisconsin:
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According to Wisconsin law, Wis. Stat. § 940.31, a person committing crime of kidnapping is guilty of a Class C felony. A person commits the crime of kidnapping if,

• By force or threat of imminent force carries another from one place to another without his / her consent and with intent to secretly confine or imprison or to carry out of Wisconsin or hold to service against will.; or

[...]

• Wisconsin law, Wis. Stat. § 939.50, provides punishment for a Class C felony. Kidnapping is punishable with a fine not exceeding 100,000 or imprisonment not to exceed 40 years, or both. When kidnapping is done with the intent to cause another to transfer property in order to obtain the release of the victim then the offender is punishable with imprisonment not to exceed sixty years.

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Wisconsin Kidnapping/Abduction Laws – Kidnapping

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Wisconsin First Degree Murder Laws: Statute
Details on Wisconsin's first degree murder law are outlined below.
Code Sections
Wisconsin Statutes Section 940.01: First-Degree Intentional Homicide
What Is Prohibited?
First degree murder in Wisconsin is to cause the death of another human or an unborn child with the intent to kill that person, or for a fetus an intent to kill the pregnant woman or unborn child. Note that the defendant doesn't need to be the only cause of the person or unborn child's death, only a substantial factor in the victim's death.

Penalty
First-Degree Intentional Homicide is a Class A felony which can be sentenced to only life imprisonment.
If the killing is lowered to Second-Degree Intentional Homicide for any of the reasons listed in Defenses below, then it's a Class B felony with a sentencing maximum of 60 years in prison. For many people, long prison sentences are the equivalent of life in prison.

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Wisconsin First-Degree Murder

 

[MsBetsy]

I believe the parents being shot is solely an assumption that the media has interpreted from the neighbor hearing gunshots. It could be it was an initial assumption when the media first received information on the case that was not actually the case.

The sheriff at the 4pm briefing replied to a question saying he could not answer if they were shot/what the likely cause of death was.

Is that normal? I don't know what they usually would do in a case like this. It is my first time here because of this Amber Alert but am intrigued by the discussions and conversations.

Yes, it's very common not to release that kind of information or even keep it from the public. Many times there are details that only the killer knows and they don't want to do anything that would interfere with their chances of identifying the suspect. Jmo

 

[Jethro4WS]

I think LE is waiting for the autopsies to confirm cause of death before they release that information.
jmo

I doubt they would release cause of death. How many times has that happened where they release the cause of death before an arrest? We usually don't see that until a trial - if there is one - in order to protect the integrity of the investigation, prosecution, etc.

 

[Stragnet]

Given the time of night that this occurred and the Father feeling comfortable enough to answer the door at that hour, it's my feeling that he may have known the shooter(s). Yes, as others have posted, Jayme I'm guessing was the target. I wonder if the Father came armed to the door? If he knew the person/people at the door and felt comfortable with them, then he probably didn't. If he did, then the bad guy(s)/gal(s) probably took the weapon from him after they shot him.

All speculation on the last part with him coming armed to the door, but sounds as though, based on the positioning of his body, he was either escorting someone out of the house or answering the door.

Going to take a break and return tomorrow to see what new info is here.

 

[chihuahua]

IMO Barron County is not equipped nor does the police force have the capabilities to properly handle a homicide investigation - especially one that has garnered nationwide attention. So going over the crime scene again with experts, and having a thorough autopsy from an ME and not a coroner is the best thing LE can do. I think everyone has heard of cases where the PD could have done more and didn't.

The press conference was frustrating because nothing new was stated, and made one think that LE is just as baffled as the public. I sincerely hope that is not the case and that Jayme will be found soon.

The FBI is involved.
Barron residents in disbelief as search continues for missing 13-year-old Jayme Closs
"Investigators don’t have any leads or suspects, but they have enlisted the help of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and the FBI, which has agents who specialize in missing children cases, the sheriff said. He said Jayme is not considered a suspect in her parents’ deaths."
More interesting details probably already read at link.
Chi

 

[Keyedin]

I'm trying to catch up, so pardon me if I ask something that's already been answered- is their proof that whomever entered through the front door?
Also, were there any signs of forced entry? How uncommon is it for someone to leave their doors unlocked?

 

[Platform9.75]

Do we know that LE has that particular cellphone?

(Pardon the questions -- I'm still in catch-up mode.)

They're not saying anything about the phone which makes me wonder if phone was Jayme's and they haven't found it yet.

 

[elektroangel]

Have they 100% ruled out drugs? I know the initial statement yesterday they said they didn't "believe" drugs were involved. However they did a secondary investigation of the scene today and the autopsy has been delayed (which could be normal) but it made me question if they need a tox report as well.

 

[elektroangel]

I'm trying to catch up, so pardon me if I ask something that's already been answered- is their proof that whomever entered through the front door?
Also, were there any signs of forced entry? How uncommon is it for someone to leave their doors unlocked?

In Barron, WI? All the time. Keys in the car too.

 

[Moonsie]

It sure seems like there is some sort of huge elephant in the room that LE is dancing around. I have no idea what it is but they are literally saying nothing. Just odd. moo.

 

[chihuahua]

I doubt they would release cause of death. How many times has that happened where they release the cause of death before an arrest? We usually don't see that until a trial - if there is one - in order to protect the integrity of the investigation, prosecution, etc.

From my link above----I guess they will be releasing the info/
Barron residents in disbelief as search continues for missing 13-year-old Jayme Closs
"The cause of the two deaths remains under investigation. However, Fitzgerald said when autopsy results are completed that information will be made public."
Hmmm
Chi

 

[MsFacetious]

Who said she was adopted? do you have a link for that?

Please read the post I was responding to. I quoted it, so it's there to read.

 

[Cardinal47]

Here's something . . . "The Barron County Sheriff's Department arrived at the home at 1268 U.S. 8"

I remember seeing the full address mentioned in one of the news articles but can't remember which one.

Thank you so much. 1268 US 8, Barron, Wisconsin. I found a map and there are a lot of places that I think would have camera's. 1268 us 8 barron,wisconsin - Bing

 

[MsBetsy]

It sure seems like there is some sort of huge elephant in the room that LE is dancing around. I have no idea what it is but they are literally saying nothing. Just odd. moo.

I got the impression that they are very frustrated because they really don't have any leads and know so little at this point. Jmo

 

[Saribella]

It sure seems like there is some sort of huge elephant in the room that LE is dancing around. I have no idea what it is but they are literally saying nothing. Just odd. moo.

I feel the same way, however given the fact that they want a suspect, they want to catch someone who is not smart talking about something they shouldn't

 

[elektroangel]

Have they 100% ruled out drugs? I know the initial statement yesterday they said they didn't "believe" drugs were involved. However they did a secondary investigation of the scene today and the autopsy has been delayed (which could be normal) but it made me question if they need a tox report as well.