AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #5

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kspoon45 said:
Wasn't the term "caregiver" a name given by LE to that person? Is it possible it's lending a false impression about the nature of that person's role?

If both of her parents are doing shiftwork, it seems like the responsible thing is to have someone available to help pick her up from school or be with her when they couldn't be. 13 is still young and it doesn't seem as if walking home from school down a highway is a great idea.
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I agree. Some think that the term "caregiver" carries something more than what it is - a "nanny"...a "babysitter."
 
Baydreamer said:
In my school district they are called Personal Care Assistants (PCA's). Yes, relationships develop but outside of school contact is highly discouraged as is any teacher contacting students outside of school hours. Places a liability on the district, I've sat through enough of those in services to know the Teachers Unions discourage it too.

This person was hired by the family. For whatever reason.
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Which brings up another head-scratcher for me. The neighbor who heard the gunshots reported that the family moved into their home about 7 years ago ( she was estimating). So Jayme would have had this same caretaker since she was 6 . We know that the family moved in order to be closer to this caretaker. Am I the only one who finds that highly unusual ? To pack up and move your entire family, change your kids school and everything in order to follow a caregiver ? I don't have children, so I don't have a wealth of experience to draw on here, but I can't imagine doing all that to follow a caregiver, unless maybe it was a family member.
 
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'The disappearance of 13-year-old Jayme Closs is conjuring up memories of the Elizabeth Smart case.'

What We Know About the Missing Teen Whose Parents Were Shot to Death

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'Closs’s disappearance conjured up memories of another high profile missing teenager case from 16 years ago. On June 5, 2002, 14-year-old Elizabeth Smartvanished from her house in Salt Lake City, Utah. She turned up nine months later approximately 18 miles away after police received tips from two callers who had seen a man named Brian David Mitchell, a suspect in Smart’s disappearance. The tipsters relayed that a man resembling Mitchell was seen walking down the street with two females.'

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What We Know About the Missing Teen Whose Parents Were Shot to Death
 
Moonsie said:
The dispatcher reported hearing “a lot of yelling.”

bbm.

What if a wounded DC was able to make that call, and it was a television left on that the dispatcher heard? moo.
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What if Denise wasn't wounded yet? Jayme tied to chair while he raped Denise-----Denise is doing the yelling? Jayme somehow manages to get the call off, perp finds out, ends call, shoots Denise, grabs Jayme, leaves? We assume Denise was dead BEFORE the call but without knowing what the evidence is, that might be an incorrect assumption. Neighbor only heard two shots but responders said there were "multiple spent casings", but neighbor didn't hear the yelling either.
 
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Mountain_Kat said:
Which brings up another head-scratcher for me. The neighbor who heard the gunshots reported that the family moved into their home about 7 years ago ( she was estimating). So Jayme would have had this same caretaker since she was 6 . We know that the family moved in order to be closer to this caretaker. Am I the only one who finds that highly unusual ? To pack up and move your entire family, change your kids school and everything in order to follow a caregiver ? I don't have children, so I don't have a wealth of experience to draw on here, but I can't imagine doing all that to follow a caregiver, unless maybe it was a family member.
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As I understood it, she moved SCHOOLS to be closer to the caretaker---not houses. That wouldnt be uncommon if it were a family member, such as grandparents or aunts, doing the caretaking.
 
Mountain_Kat said:
Which brings up another head-scratcher for me. The neighbor who heard the gunshots reported that the family moved into their home about 7 years ago ( she was estimating). So Jayme would have had this same caretaker since she was 6 . We know that the family moved in order to be closer to this caretaker. Am I the only one who finds that highly unusual ? To pack up and move your entire family, change your kids school and everything in order to follow a caregiver ? I don't have children, so I don't have a wealth of experience to draw on here, but I can't imagine doing all that to follow a caregiver, unless maybe it was a family member.
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If I understand correctly, they didn't move - they changed JC's school because the caregiver moved.
 
rosesfromangels said:
Three things in particular jump out at me.
1. Someone explain this “caregiver” to me. What’s that all about?
2. Murder happened after a get together. What happened there?
3. Perp arrived shortly after father got home from work.

I think the crime is more related/tied to the father than Jayme. I think Jayme was an afterthought, a crime of opportunity.
This could very well be an irate ex-employee.

Why at 13 did she need a caregiver?

Amateur opinion and speculation
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The caregiver could have just been a family member who was available for Jayme when both parents were working. We also do not know that she still had a caregiver. We only know she had one when she switched schools, which could have been a couple years ago when she was younger. She JUST turned 13.
 
It's also interesting that there would be a "lot of yelling" occurring while their neighbors, who heard gun shots and a bit later, were up with their dog who was a tiny bit agitated (I can't remember the exact term she used to describe him) but say they didn't hear anything. Assuming the call came from the house and the yelling was heard by the dispatcher but not clearly enough to be discernible, it would indicate a bit of distance between the phone + the voices. Why? And why wouldn't a neighbor hear that?
 
kspoon45 said:
Wasn't the term "caregiver" a name given by LE to that person? Is it possible it's lending a false impression about the nature of that person's role?

If both of her parents are doing shiftwork, it seems like the responsible thing is to have someone available to help pick her up from school or be with her when they couldn't be. 13 is still young and it doesn't seem as if walking home from school down a highway is a great idea.
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Yes. I think we're making way too much of what was likely just a family member or close friend who was available for Jayme when parents' work schedules overlapped.
 
Mountain_Kat said:
Which brings up another head-scratcher for me. The neighbor who heard the gunshots reported that the family moved into their home about 7 years ago ( she was estimating). So Jayme would have had this same caretaker since she was 6 . We know that the family moved in order to be closer to this caretaker. Am I the only one who finds that highly unusual ? To pack up and move your entire family, change your kids school and everything in order to follow a caregiver ? I don't have children, so I don't have a wealth of experience to draw on here, but I can't imagine doing all that to follow a caregiver, unless maybe it was a family member.
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As far as we know, the family did not move. Jayme simply switched schools.
 
kspoon45 said:
It's also interesting that there would be a "lot of yelling" occurring while their neighbors, who heard gun shots and a bit later, were up with their dog who was a tiny bit agitated (I can't remember the exact term she used to describe him) but say they didn't hear anything. Assuming the call came from the house and the yelling was heard by the dispatcher but not clearly enough to be discernible, it would indicate a bit of distance between the phone + the voices. Why? And why wouldn't a neighbor hear that?
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You don't typically hear neighbors yelling inside their house when you live in the country.
 
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Also did the perpetrator flee on foot? And they have 100 volunteers walking all the way to some lake looking for evidence? So in case something was dropped by a fleeing person on foot?
 
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What was the temperature on the night of the 15th? Colder temperatures slow down sound waves. So does wind and land contour. The neighbors only heard the most powerful sound effects, doesn't mean there wasn't screaming for a long period of time before. Doesn't mean there was either, but there are many reasons why neighbors, even within a few hundred yards may not have heard any disturbance, until the reverberation of a firearm.
 
rocket said:
I agree. Some think that the term "caregiver" carries something more than what it is - a "nanny"...a "babysitter."
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Tbh, that's my first thought. That a caregiver was looking out for her cause she is special needs .If that's not the case, it would be beneficial to everyone if LE says otherwise
 
Due to her parent’s changing work schedules, I’m thinking Jayme’s caretaker is more than just an after school babysitter.

Maybe a close relative (grandparent, aunt, uncle?) who also feeds Jayme, transports her to activities, helps with homework, has her overnights, and is there for any emergency consents, snow & sick days, etc.

This person (relative?) may have limited or co-custody (due to the above situations). If so, maybe there was a custody/caretaker dispute over how/when/where Jayme was taken care of?
 
Is it possible the perp(s) was known?

Jayme could have heard initial GS and hid. If the perp was aware she was there and was not able to locate her that would explain the delay from the first gunshot to 911 call.

A likely scenario is when the perps didn't leave Jayme attempted to retrieve and dial 911. She was located and began yelling for help. The perp disconnected the line and left with her because they didn't want to be seen. Because police have stated Jayme was present at the time of the murders and she was not there when they arrived. The only logical conclusion is the (or one of the) voices on the 911 call.

Is it possible the perp (s) left on foot towards the wooded area in the back of the house?

The other thing I noticed is if the article above is an accurate reflection of events James was in the living area and easily visible upon arrival. Denise was discovered five minutes later. This indicates to me the bodies were not in the same room.
 
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