AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #6

[klind55]

A couple things, I wonder if maybe Jayme wasn't supposed to be home that night. And the perp were caught off guard and didn't know what to do with her. Being her parents work shift work I wonder if their shifts sometimes start so early that it's better to have her sleep at her aunt's (caregiver) than having to be woke up so early.

Also, all this time I was thinking their house was far off the road but its not and really quite visible from the road this time of year. I wonder if anyone driving by around that time would remember if they saw a vehicle pulling and or out of a driveway at that time of night. Or, even a car sitting in it's driveway with it's lights on.

 

[MesquiteO21]

There are two men on the inmate roster who were arrested on 10/17 and don't have a charge listed. For privacy reasons I won't list their full names, but initials are MAC and DJP. <modsnip - rumor>

also just throwing it out there - there is someone who was booked on 10/16 who has injuries on his face. His records include many instances of battery/assault and DOC and a restraining order. the wounds look more than a day old though, but it's also a bit hard to tell from a mugshot.

 

[carmenugt]

No experience with this - how are calls categorized when they come into Dispatch?? Does anyone have experience with this?

They do have different levels of call. They use a Dispatch triage protocal. . A hang up is top priority. Especially, when they attempt to call back and there is no number.

 

[Stormyann]

This is the only theory that makes sense to me. The Unsub/s were in the house before James got home.

I am not budging. This is exactly what was happening or possibly a death occurred before his arrival

 

[Alethea]

Amber alert was totally media! None of the requirements were met. Law enforcement made this happen because of public outcry!

This is NOT true. The DOJ issued guidelines on when an Amber alert should be issued. The purpose of an Amber alert is to provide detailed and actionable information after an abduction where a child is in imminent danger of serious harm and sufficient information is known about the abduction to provide useful information to the community.

AMBER Alert - Guidelines

There is no law or regulation that states what information must be provided to issue the alert. However, LE encourages all agencies to take the DOJ's sage advice seriously to avoid every runaway getting an Amber alert which would dilute the efficacy of the system (which is designed for children in imminent danger).

Here, the Sheriff said once the FBI was involved everyone agreed this case was sufficiently serious to warrant an alert even if it differed from precedent alerts (as no car and no perpetrator could be described). I think, based on my experience, that LE could convince the higher-ups at the FBI that this case was such an aberration and such a unique set of circumstances that an exception should be made. I can promise you the DOJ does not care what people are posting on social media.

 

[SharonNeedles]

What about an employee. Currently held habeous Corpus. I wonder why they went there at 9 pm 10-16 and made an arrest early morning 10-17.

If that’s related we’ll know soon enough. Slim chance tho, people are arrested in casinos more often than you would think. Aside from crimes that occur at the casino, the surveillance is part of a shared network and on any given day they 50 pictures hanging on the wall of people to be on the lookout for.

 

[nobodyuknow22]

I do have one question if you look at the full dispatch report it shows officer 329 was dispatched at 20:34:53, does anyone know why that is?

 

[DocBrew]

Also similar to the Short case is the ages of the deceased in relation to the age of the daughter killed. Both sets of parents are a bit older to have a daughter so young.

If Mr. Closs worked that night, does anyone know if he stopped late for food? Does anyone know if Mrs. Closs (and perhaps Jayme) went out late for food? Reason I ask is because Mrs. Short went out to BK at 11:3oPM the night she and her family were killed, and there is a McDonald's less than a mile away from the Closs's home. Did a perp follow someone home?

JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

This is also disturbing. Disturbing in the sense that they’re not going to get “credible” tips without a reward offered.

This leads me to believe they know she’s alive. But they won’t find her until they start offering $$.

I don’t believe that they “know” she is alive. It’s standard procedure to atleast publicly, maintain that you (LE) believe that she is.

Preservation of life is their number one priority, and until there is evidence that she is dead, they will continue with this posture.

A reward may be necessary for information at some point, but as long as tips continue to come in, it isn’t a priority.

Law enforcement, like many in the public know, that as each day passes the likelihood that Jayme is alive, decreases.

 

[Stormyann]

If that’s related we’ll know soon enough. Slim chance tho, people are arrested in casinos more often than you would think. Aside from crimes that occur at the casino, the surveillance is part of a shared network and on any given day they 50 pictures hanging on the wall of people to be on the lookout for.

I have a good feeling due to known criminal history. But I'm
An optimist

 

[NatalieSheild]

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How long can someone be held without being formally charged?

They can be held for 48 hours. The police can hold you for up to 48 hours but then they have to charge you with a crime or release you. They can apply to hold you for up to 36 or 96 if you're suspected of a serious crime, eg murder. It’s longer if it’s an act of terror.

 

[MesquiteO21]

IMO Meth is a problem everywhere, in every city across the US. It definitely could be drug related but I don’t think someone high on meth would be able to pull this of; leave few clues behind and disappear within minutes with a 13 yr old girl.

True... although, to your last points we don't actually know if few clues were left behind and if they left with her within 4 minutes

 

[Alethea]

Understood. I'd never want to see it abused (17 year old runaways are not what should be issued), but I'm curious. Has anyone seen a AA issued before without at least a vehicle or suspect description? It is a first for me. moo

I have not either that I can remember. I thought they were going to issue an emergency alert or something that was the functional equivalent of an Amber alert without calling it an Amber alert. I was genuinely surprised to see it approved and issued in such a short amount of time (for government decision-making)

 

[margarita25]

From this link I took this screenshot...
(*sorry if this has been talked about already, I’m a little behind*)

If you see the last line that I highlighted... that seriously concerns me... anyone else??
Who are these people??

I’m confused by all this.

 

[Stormyann]

They can be held for 48 hours. The police can hold you for up to 48 hours but then they have to charge you with a crime or release you. They can apply to hold you for up to 36 or 96 if you're suspected of a serious crime, eg murder. It’s longer if it’s an act of terror.

Is habeous Corpus a bad word? It's a length of time that one can be held without formal charges

 

[SeekingJana]

Sheriff Fitzgerald said, “We tried to have one issued twice and were turned down, and then the FBI stepped in.”
Autopsy results of dead couple coming soon; search for missing teen continues

JMO, but this is a case for the FBI, and they will likely be the investigative body who solves it.

 

[carmenugt]

i'm still extremely confused why the call was initially booked as possible suicidal person. if all that could be heard was indistinct yelling, wouldn't you think more likely a possible domestic issue/disturbance? if all that can be made out is a commotion and 'help' how in the world does that go to suicide? i could see possible murder/suicide but how just suicide on its own? maybe i'm just not familiar with 911 calls and suicides but that just does not make any sense to me at all.

Probably , because he had a gunshot wound to the head.

 

[MassGuy]

I firmly believe mom and Jayme were held before dad came home from
His shift

If the front door was in fact kicked in, coupled with the fact that the dad was found dead in the doorway, the situation doesn’t seem to jibe with the perpetrator already being in that house.

It lends itself more to a scenario where the perpetrator(s) forcibly entered the residence, IMO.

 

[Stormyann]

If the front door was in fact kicked in, coupled with the fact that the dad was found dead in the doorway, the situation doesn’t seem to jibe with the perpetrator already being in that house.

It lends itself more to a scenario where the perpetrator(s) forcibly entered the residence, IMO.

I don't agree but I completely understand where you are coming from

 

[SeekingJana]

Is habeous Corpus a bad word? It's a length of time that one can be held without formal charges

People might be having problems if they're not familiar with the term because it's actually spelled " Habeas corpus ".
They might not be able to find it in a search. IDK.