AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #7

[margarita25]

From July 2018:
Family Of 5 Beaten In Brutal Overnight Home Invasion: Report

ETA:

3 Charged In Brutal Wauwatosa Home Invasion: Report

 

[Deleted member 278]

A few threads ago, it was stated that the caregiver is Jayme's aunt. She apparently watched over Jayme while her parents were at work. Nothing has been mentioned about any disabilities Jayme may have. I think if there was concern about something like that that LE would have mentioned it.

 

[Crystal Regan]

I have a feeling that Jayme will be found during hunting season. Looks like it starts Nov 17 in WI for gun hunters.

 

[ElementalLaura]

Ok i see character witnesses in the People article. Since I previously said I hadn’t seen any. Mom and daughter were quiet and always together. Two peas in a pod...

I know somebody linked this already...

Missing 13-Year-Old and Her Slain Mom Were 'Inseparable,' Says Family Friend: 'Two Peas in a Pod'

IMO: The character witnesses are for Denise and her parenting more so than Jayme. Denise was clearly a loving parent who prioritized Jayme’s well-being. All of the adults queried in the article attest to this. I hope the FBI has a 13-yr-old CI who can provide some peer insight into Jayme.

JMO: At some point, being inseparable from one’s mother begins to feel constraining to a young teen. Perhaps that hadn’t set in for Jayme yet. But I can see where Jayme may have sought out somewhere where she could have interaction with peers without parental or adult oversight. I fear her sweetness and demeanor may have made her a target. MOO.

 

[SeekingJana]

I have a feeling that Jayme will be found during hunting season. Looks like it starts Nov 17 in WI for gun hunters.

I was just thinking about Jayme and hunting season coming up during the night last night. Oh, so very heartbreaking.

 

[margarita25]

Okay after reading about all these brutal home invasions, it seems many of them involved multiple suspects.

So we know James hunted. Why no guns found? Maybe it was a robbery. And the suspect(s) are into sexual offenses also.

(Why not? If they’re into to murder and robbery?)

 

[OhThatVictoria]

4. The 911 call was placed at roughly 1 am. LE arrived at the house 4 minutes after that call. Jayme and the suspects are gone. This leads me to believe that the entire incident occurred in roughly a matter of 30 minutes. That is not a lot of time in which to kill 2 people and kidnap another, so, to my mind, no one

when did DC enter the bathroom in that 30 minute window, right after JC was shot? If that were the case, and she had her phone, why wouldnt she have dialed 911 sooner ?

 

[Seattle1]

Okay, I just want to say I don't understand where anyone is getting the idea Denise hid in the bathroom alone. I have not seen any source say such they all say with Jayme. If someone could link this source that had supposedly doing it by herself I would appreciate it.
Second they do have a story/idea and I believe it was actually from the sheriff in the last press conference but i can't remember and have no time to loom atm, i will come me back and link you the theory, though!
don't think it coincides with being in the bathroom or anywhere else really other than in the house and her making the call.
The thought was she dialed 911 but was unable to make contact with the dispatcher before she was killed (or somehow lost the phone otherwise / couldn't get to it if it got knocked away etc) So, the theory is she is dead by the time the dispatcher connects or second away from it. It's a little... wonky to me concerning the timing to be honest, but this is the theory that they currently had as of releasing who the phone belonged to.

The only confirmed location reported by police dispatch and msm is of the Dad, James, whose body was located near the entrance surrounded by "casings." It's also confirmed the 911 phone call came from telephone number "listed to" the Mum, Denise. (Dispatch adds this same phone associated with Denise voicemail). What we do not know is who actually dialed 911 using this phone. Anything else is mere speculation. MOO

ETA: change spent shells to casings

 

[Gardener1850]

Why are we not showing Jayme a familiar face on TV? She knows her parents are deceased. It seems an aunt, uncle, cousins and friends showing solidarity for her would bring her comfort, give her hope, give her strength to get through each day.

In many of the missing child cases, the family or friend is on TV being interviewed. That has not been the case here. I find it concerning and I cannot think of a reason why it is not being done now. So many of the children that are brought home later state that they saw the news. It brought the child comfort to know that their family was working hard to bring them home.

While this is a really good point, I think the difference might be that in most other cases the missing child's parents were not murdered. Until they know who did this and why, LE might have advised the family not to speak to the press or to say very little. They don't want to put Jayme's life in danger nor put the lives of the rest of her family in danger. If this was some sort of personal problem (i.e. LE's word "misunderstanding") that the perp had with Jayme's parents the issue could extend to other family members as well (at least in the perp's mind). In that case, the rest of the family needs protecting; Having them do a media appeal could put a target on them. I believe Jayme has some cousins close in age to her. They must be scared out of their minds. JMO.

 

[rsd1200]

There is the Yellow River and the Vermillion River nearby, and lakes and swamps everywhere. It would be a nightmare to search all of these areas.

Interestingly enough, the Barron County street numbering system is based on a grid (the county is about 30 miles by 30 miles) whereby the street name is the distance to the western or southern border.

So Highway 8 (also called 13 1/2 street) is approximately 13.5 miles from the southern border of the county and 16.5 miles from the northern border . They are between 12th and 13th street which means it is about 12.5 miles to the western county border and 17.5 miles to the eastern county border.

I am sure this is more detail about the streets then you ever wanted to know!

Iirc, they were searching from the home, to Turtle Lake area. However, with side roads, they could've dipped off, then onto either of a couple of main highways going north or south. Middle of the night in a nondescript vehicle, and they had a jump on them. Seven minutes is a lot longer than one would think. In probably less than two minutes, they could be on 25, w/several possibilities.

 

[Deleted member 278]

The only confirmed location reported by police dispatch and msm is of the Dad, James, whose body was located near the entrance surrounded by spent shells. It's also confirmed the 911 phone call came from telephone number "listed to" the Mum, Denise. (Dispatch adds this same phone associated with Denise voicemail). What we do not know is who actually dialed 911 using this phone. Anything else is mere speculation. MOO

IIRC, they said "casings." They didn't differentiate between shell casings or bullet casings. IMO.

 

[pinkfly]

Hey everyone. I missed a good chunk of the last thread and all of this one so far. Where did the reports of Denise being barricaded in the bathroom come from? I did a quick Google search and found the Radar Online article. Is this the only source for the information? If so, how credible do we think the insider is? Is it common for insiders to speak to the media in cases like this? If this is the only source, I feel like it's super risky for an FBI insider to share information that apparently no one else in the investigation thinks should be public, if only because it could compromise the case somehow. So I'm a bit skeptical of the information if only because of that. Also, if she was barricaded in, how did she get shot? If she had already been shot when she barricaded herself in, I feel like it's odd that she would have been unable to talk on the phone if she had enough strength to barricade the door and then call 911, unless when she made the call, the perp(s) managed to break in and shoot her, with the gunshot being heard over the phone and being why it was assumed a suicide attempt - I've heard of suicidal people calling 911 and then killing themselves without saying anything on the line in order to have their bodies found.

Also, the dispatch log says that James "had answered the door". I wonder how they came to that conclusion? Was it just that he was in the doorway and was found in such a position that makes it seem likely, or is there other information to back this up? I know we likely don't know this, but I feel like it could be important. If he actually answered the door, this would make it seem very likely that he knew whomever did this, while if he was just found in a position that makes it seem likely he answered the door, then we can't draw the same conclusion.

Yes, the source is RadarOnline. We are only just recently allowed to link to this site as it used to be considered as sketchy. Some of us still think it and many of it's unnamed sources are too sketchy.
But....
Now that it is approved it is okay to link to it and to quote from it.

So, I guess, if they name a suspect (and we now equate them as a mainstream news source), I think we would be good to investigate that name and quote.

I would be careful though as I think this might just be a test run and we may lose this option again in the future.

 

[Crystal Regan]

What bugs me is if the goal was to take the child, why do it when both of the parents are there - having to kill them to get her?

Me too. Why would you commit two counts of first degree murder when you could have abducted her at the bus stop?

 

[MesquiteO21]

Do we know where the neighbors came home from? If it was the casino and they were followed....we could be looking at a wrong house situation. Maybe dad stopped at the casino on the way home and was followed.

Jmo

but didn't they get home at 11:30? why would the perps wait an hour?

 

[Trocroc9]

Time of 20 minutes or so between dad being killed and 911 call made has been bothering me. MOO dad is killed mom runs to get Jayme and phone to call 911 and is confronted by shooter. He gets a shot off and hits her and perp thinks she’s dead but she manages to drag herself into closest room which is the bathroom and lock herself in because perps are focused on getting to a hysterical Jayme (maybe they didn’t expect a child to be there and throws them off or that’s who they are after in first place). Mom is deathly injured and it takes her time to complete call. Perp realizes mom is still alive breaks into bathroom as Jayme is hysterical and yelling shuts off phone and delivers a final shot and flees with Jayme.

If however she was never found in the bathroom due to rumors then she may have not been fatally shot and manages to lie where she is slowly and painfully getting the 911 call in before peep realizes and ends call then ends her life.

Unfortunately, I believe Jayme may have been assaulted during those 20 minutes.

 

[margarita25]

I know from personal experience (robbery) that gangs come into the suburbs to commit crimes.

The brutal aspect of killing people inside is similar to some of these types of home invasions we hear about.

Were the cars in the driveway? Tia.

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'If you shout I will kill you:' Robbers threaten, attack residents during home invasion in Wauwatosa, complaint says

“At one point, one of the robbers said, “If you shout I will kill you.”

At another point, one of the robbers said: “Let’s just kill them and be done with the whole thing.” “

 

[Deleted member 278]

I know from personal experience (robbery) that gangs come into the suburbs to commit crimes.

The brutal aspect of killing people inside is similar to some of these types of home invasions we hear about.

Were the cars in the driveway? Tia.

I don't have the link but from what I remember, two cars were in the driveway. Fitzgerald had made a comment that he didn't know who the cars belonged to. I'm sure by now they know. They are probably belonging to Mr. and Mrs. Closs. IMO.

 

[zecats]

I didn't say that the house was ransacked. I said that 30 minutes wouldn't have been enough time to kill 2 people abduct another AND ransack a house looking for drugs or money. In other words, I don't believe this was a robbery or drug situation. I believe taking Jayme was the goal.

Or once (if) it was realized 911 had been called there was no time to ransack and rob. Jayme was taken instead. Jmo.

 

[rsd1200]

IMO: The character witnesses are for Denise and her parenting more so than Jayme. Denise was clearly a loving parent who prioritized Jayme’s well-being. All of the adults queried in the article attest to this. I hope the FBI has a 13-yr-old CI who can provide some peer insight into Jayme.

JMO: At some point, being inseparable from one’s mother begins to feel constraining to a young teen. Perhaps that hadn’t set in for Jayme yet. But I can see where Jayme may have sought out somewhere where she could have interaction with peers without parental or adult oversight. I fear her sweetness and demeanor may have made her a target. MOO.

BBM
Same. Thirteen can be a difficult time period in any kid's life.

 

[jayaxx]

i cant believe this is still going on. as a Dad, it crushes me that the best case scenario is 5 days of terror for this poor little girl