AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

[Grammar]

From that video, looks like the suitcase had a pink tag/decoration on the front. It seems a little odd for police equipment to have a giant pink tag like that on the front, but I could be wrong. FWIW, both of those people had on black gloves whereas the guys carrying the door and the chair out of the house all had purple gloves - and we're certain the latter two were evidence.

Black gloves are often heavier grade gloves. They’re thicker and offer more protection. The purple gloves are general exam gloves, offering protection but don’t offer the level of protection black and brown gloves do

 

[MntnHiker]

I had asked about the neighbor hearing a car because I also agree this road is most likely not very heavily trafficked in the middle of the night. I do not live in WI but I live in a Midwestern state near many small towns like Barron. I drive through towns like this for work. Just the other day, I was driving home on rural highways like this at 9 PM and barely saw anyone...I would assume at 1 AM, traffic would be even less. A loud car engine or fast driving car COULD possibly stand out to a neighbor at that hour.

With almost a week gone past now, I am leaning more toward someone in the periphery of their life. IMO, if a co-worker of a parent or a family member was to blame, I think LE would know this by now. Wouldn't it be really obvious if a co-worker stopped going to work after this happened or was acting very strangely? I am sure they have been interviewed. Family members would also really stand out unless this was some HUGE family cover-up which I don't see. JMO of course and anything is possible, but I feel like the people closest to them (figuratively speaking) would have been questioned right away.

 

[Trino]

Trying to go with Occam's razor, but nothing seems to fit.

 

[stargazer17]

This reminds me of the killing of the mom and teenage daughters in CT circa 2007-2009. Maybe the unsub(s) followed them home after seeing them out somewhere and did not intend for this to escalate to the point it did. Someone was tied to chair, dad walked in unexpectedly, panic ensued. Too bad the neighbors didn't notice if a strange vehicle was in the driveway when they came home at 11:15. I do think there was more than 1 unsub. IMO

 

[BRRI]

If you have time, look up the case of Shasta Groene, where he killed everyone in the house in the middle of the night.

Again possible, but statistically it’s not as likely

 

[Trino]

Black gloves are often heavier grade gloves. They’re thicker and offer more protection. The purple gloves are general exam gloves, offering protection but don’t offer the level of protection black and brown gloves do

Trying to go with Occam's razor, but nothing seems to fit.

 

[compass]

It appears that there was an altercation at the door (kicked in), and that’s where the dad was found.

It seems to me that the killer was forcing his way in, and upon entry, killed the father before locating and killing the mother, and of course kidnapping Jayme.

There isn’t any evidence that he was in the house prior to the dad’s arrival.

True,but also no evidence he wasn’t in the house, right? There are many great points made here but still so much unknown, I can’t shake feeling perp was inside before shots heard. Do we know if family owned a gun?

 

[cheko1]

They also had 100 volunteers search the 14 mile stretch of highway 8 between the home and the Casino. The casino is in the opposite direction of the town of Barron and opposite direction from which the police had to travel to get to the Closs home. Perhaps LE were requesting security camera footage from the casino pointing towards the hwy. Perhaps the police did not pass any cars on the way to the scene so they knew a getaway car had to have gone in the opposite direction (towards the casino). If the perp(s) did not turn off on a side road prior to the casino they are most likely on camera. If no camera footage then LE must look for other clues as to where they could have turned. JMO.

There are so many woods up in that area. So many small lakes, so many back roads. It makes you shudder. Where is Jayme???

 

[JBeezy]

I think maybe I was too quick to discount that this could be drug related, actually I think I tend to believe it’s never drug related unless it very obviously is. I don’t think I really grasped how bad the meth problem is in this area, now I’m starting to see how dangerous and violent it really is up there.

I feel like that's a bit hyperbolic . This area has one of the lowest crime rates *in the country*. There is almost nowhere in America less violent or dangerous than Barron Conty, Wisconsin.

Not saying things dont happen because obviously....

But there's a lot of people in these threads that are making it sound like there are just gangs of meth-heads roaming the streets of Barron in packs.

It just isn't like that.

 

[Jax49]

I need to back track, but a couple of thoughts that have probably been already expressed.

1) how LE was sure the phone call came from moms phone: my, and everyone I know, have their VM settings to a recorded greeting. (As in “hi!, you have reached Med, I’m not available but please leave a message.”

2 how LE knew JC was alive and in the home. IIRC, reports indicated they heard commotion and “help”. IMO they may have also heard “JC, RUN!, or “mom! Dad! Help!”

After seeing news in the DM today (dad was still alive but already gravely wounded- and answered the door when police arrived.) I’m inclined to believe the person was already in the home and had intended to kill the parents prior to taking JC.
Trauma and shock would facilitate cooperation. Trauma bonding could keep a person compliant.

Just MOO, way behind in the sleuthing. So there’s that.

The DM story seems to be inaccurate re the father being alive when LE arrived.

Clarification: Chilling details revealed in dispatch record

After more discussion with Fitzgerald on Saturday morning, Fitzgerald said he was not releasing any information about how the door got opened. He said when the deputies arrived at the house, James was found dead at the door. When asked whether a deputy had kicked in the door, Fitzgerald said he could not comment due to an active investigation.

bbm

ETA: The inference from the logs is that LE thought James answered the door to the killer(s). moo

 

[ludakristen]

I've never been to Barron but I'm from the general area . You have to remember that what is considered a "highway" up there is not at all what you're thinking.

At 1am on a random cold weekday night? You may not see another car very often at all.

This area is lightly populated in a way that's hard for people from other areas to comprehend.

It’s a major roadway leading to and from a casino. I know it’s not bumper to bumper LA traffic but I stand by what I said. Enough traffic that a single car wouldn’t be noticeable to officers arriving.

 

[human]

If this was over a large debt, they wouldn’t end up getting the money from this situation, but they sure would be sending a HUGE and scary message to others who owe debts too. Especially with the fear of your child being taken.

Then those people would be telling all to save their lives. They would want the perp captured like yesterday

 

[zecats]

I can't recall how many times I have read that missing people are located within 5 miles or so (usually MUCH closer) to their home or the last place they were seen. I still have not seen where they have done a grid search or arm to arm search in the woods behind their house. Perp/s could have taken off back that way and quickly disappeared to a vehicle parked back there. JMO, MOO. Just wish they would thoroughly search those woods.

I believe they did. In the transcript of the dispatch, they requested such things as pol cam and drones. Also press info has revealed they used drones and infrared to search house and surroundings. How far back they searched, I don't know. But a drone would cover a good amount of the area. imo

 

[Medstudies]

The DM story seems to be inaccurate re the father being alive when LE arrived.

Clarification: Chilling details revealed in dispatch record



bbm

thanks Jax! FYI the article I referenced is still posted as second lead story. 'A lot of yelling' was heard in grim 911 call made the morning 13-year-old Jayme Closs vanished | Daily Mail Online

“Their teenage daughter Jayme Closs is believed to have been at home at the time of the call but was gone by the time officers arrived, which was less than 10 minutes later, the 911 call log showed, as reported by Fox News on Friday.

Her wounded father answered the door for police before dying from the gunshots, Fox News reported based on its interpretation of the log.”
(BBM). - and not all news sources necessarily report fact but their interpretations of information...

 

[NervousNellie]

This reminds me of the killing of the mom and teenage daughters in CT circa 2007-2009. Maybe the unsub(s) followed them home after seeing them out somewhere and did not intend for this to escalate to the point it did. Someone was tied to chair, dad walked in unexpectedly, panic ensued. Too bad the neighbors didn't notice if a strange vehicle was in the driveway when they came home at 11:15. I do think there was more than 1 unsub. IMO

What is ‘unsub’? It is not defined on the WS lingo thread that I found. Thanks!

Websleuths Lingo

 

[human]

I feel like that's a bit hyperbolic . This area has one of the lowest crime rates *in the country*. There is almost nowhere in America less violent or dangerous than Barron Conty, Wisconsin.

Not saying things dont happen because obviously....

But there's a lot of people in these threads that are making it sound like there are just gangs of meth-heads roaming the streets of Barron in packs.

It just isn't like that.

The crime statistics have been posted and there is a lot of crime with drugs and child sex

 

[Quill]

I have not seen any indication that Jayme resented her mom's control. By all accounts, her mom was involved with her activities but I would not make the assumption that she was overly controlling in any way. I have not seen any statements that her mom stayed at the movie theater when Jayme went with her friends. That she stayed at the skating rink is not evidence of this either. Maybe she didn't want to drive home and have to come back 2 hours later. We don't know how far away the rink was. Jmo

I agree MsBetsy. I think her mom's way is normal for many. I have myself done the same thing. When you live in a rural area there can often be quite a distance between homes and/or businesses making dropping off and coming back for pick up inconvenient and costly. It is a different lifestyle from those who may live in a city or even the suburbs. I don't even live in a rural area anymore, but am surrounded by it with many of my children's friends living rurally. I have driven 45 minutes one way to take mine to birthday parties many times. Sometimes there is a way to make yourself scarce, such as running an errand, but often times not. I know that some may be picturing the mom as hovering during these outings, but it may not be the case. She possibly found herself a quiet corner to be present from a distance, as many like myself have done. We did usually have multiple moms in the same situation so often there was another mom to keep you company.

The few personal tidbits we have paint the mother/daughter relationship as a close one.

 

[Hulamints]

It’s a major roadway leading to and from a casino. I know it’s not bumper to bumper LA traffic but I stand by what I said. Enough traffic that a single car wouldn’t be noticeable to officers arriving.

There are 2 roads, 13th Street and 12th Street that the kidnapper(s) would have been able to turn down before the police ever passed them I believe. Neither are more than a minute away from the Closs home.

 

[Jax49]

thanks Jax! FYI the article I referenced is still posted as second lead story. 'A lot of yelling' was heard in grim 911 call made the morning 13-year-old Jayme Closs vanished | Daily Mail Online

“Their teenage daughter Jayme Closs is believed to have been at home at the time of the call but was gone by the time officers arrived, which was less than 10 minutes later, the 911 call log showed, as reported by Fox News on Friday.

Her wounded father answered the door for police before dying from the gunshots, Fox News reported based on its interpretation of the log.”
(BBM). - and not all news sources are necessarily report fact but their interpretations of information...

And unfortunately once inaccurate info is posted, too many sources don't make corrections. They leave it for click bait, imho.

ETA: Good to see the local press get the clarification from the sheriff.

 

[human]

i have been thinking of motive as we all have.

Someone posted that dad went to the door because he heard it being kicked in and was shot. That makes sense.

So to me that says dad was not the target. He is dead. Finished , Move on.

There were pictures of the kicked in door in a previous thread. The frame was not splintered. It was the door that was cracked and the door appeared to be at least two inches thick. Think of how strong a kick it would take to crack a thick wooden door.

Perhaps others think kicking in a door is easy. I would think that in order for someone to think this is a good method, there would have to be practice. Perhaps this method has been used before.

Mamy people have hollow core doors in their home which are easy to punch in. The exterior door is not like the doors many people have in their homes.

So what was the point of the home invasion?