AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

[alwaysonmymind]

I read an article from a Georgia news station that the search has been expanded to be on the lookout throughout Georgia. It was unclear whether the expansion was just part of the nationwide expansion or if there was specific reason to believe she is in Georgia. Do the Closs’ have ties to Georgia?

I believe it has to do with the FBI making her a priority nationwide. It also mentions she'll be on billboards across the US if its the same article I read.

 

[Trino]

Medieval scenario:
Would-be knight in shining armor (psycho) believes he is on a rescue mission, kicks in the door, kills the parents, places the girl across his shoulders, and takes off running. Far-fetched? Yeah. But, in today's society, strange things happen.

 

[Msl1966]

I could see shooting one adult into intimidating the other to give you money. But what good is it if both are dead? Now you still don’t have the money and you’re a wanted man to boot

If this was over a large debt, they wouldn’t end up getting the money from this situation, but they sure would be sending a HUGE and scary message to others who owe debts too. Especially with the fear of your child being taken.

 

[BRRI]

The one thing I noticed when reading over some of the articles when the thread was closed and the Sheriff is adamant that Jayme is no runaway. So she was taken against her will and that is why she in grave danger.

I think they know this because they have been able to enhance the 911 call. The same way they know she was inside as her parents being murdered.

I realize many theories abound before any case is solved.

However I do not think there has been any hint of evidence her father was somehow to blame for this happening to him and his family. Small towns love to gossip yet no one has said anything untoward against either one.

I have seen those same theories in the past when a parent or parents are found murdered and their child or children missing.

Blaming one parent or both seems to be rather common in cases like this. Steve Greone went through it himself for weeks on end and other missing child cases.

I havent read anything that suggests this father even gambled much less had a debt that would result in this happening.

Perhaps if someone could show me an actual case where parents were murdered and their child kidnapped because of gambling debts or even for revenge etc I could understand those theories much better. I am open mindedbto any theory where the same set of circumstances have happened before.

Some seem to believe it just couldn't be a case of pedophile predator who may have cased their home out and was perfectly capable of murdering others in order to get the prey he had specifically targeted. I find that puzzling because this same thing has happened before.

As more photos of Jayme are shown she is a very tiny little girl who doesnt even look 13. I think if spotted someone would think she was younger.

The most reasonable conclusion for me is Jayme was the specific intended target and her parents were eliminated because they posed a threat and stood in the way of him taking Jayme.

Not one person has said Jayme was abused by anyone much less her parents...either one. So there is nothing to me that supports whoever this is was trying to save her from anything.

In fact to me taking Jayme shows he wanted as much time as he wanted after taking her ...to sexually abuse her repeatedly with no one around to stop him.

Jmo though

I agree with most of your points. I’m just not sure, that if kidnapping was the motive, that the perp would escalate to double homicide, and seemingly pretty rapidly given the timeline of that night that seems probable. Could very well be, but it gives me pause.

 

[BRRI]

Medieval scenario:
Would-be knight in shining armor (psycho) believes he is on a rescue mission, kicks in the door, kills the parents, places the girl across his shoulders, and takes off running. Far-fetched? Yeah. But, in today's society, strange things happen.

Not far fetched. This was one of my first thoughts when I first read of the case. A vigilante type.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

We’ve been told that JC is quiet and shy. Because of this, I believe she’s been compliant for the perpetrator(s). JMO

 

[fraudqueen]

I agree with most of your points. I’m just not sure, that if kidnapping was the motive, that the perp would escalate to double homicide, and seemingly pretty rapidly given the timeline of that night that seems probable. Could very well be, but it gives me pause.

If you have time, look up the case of Shasta Groene, where he killed everyone in the house in the middle of the night.

 

[KLB]

Mom and dad had been married for over a decade at this time. He wasn't named in this lawsuit, so she got this loan in her own name. Since it was in her name, the purpose for the money might have been kept a secret (gambling? divorce attorney?)

Interesting. People keep talking about Dad or Jayme being the target, but what if the mom was? It seems to me that dad was killed right away, but they still took all that time to kill mom? Why?

 

[kebdal23]

All JMO: the more I think about this case my theory keeps changing. I believe a drug ramped up perp who may have been watching the family or worked with the father or had road rage, invaded the home and also sexually abused J (accounting for the time btw shots and 911 call). Possibly made a last minute decision because of the 911 call to kidnap her. MOO
I really hope we get new info soon. My biggest fear is this not being solved.

Edited to add, if he worked with the father LE would be on it by now if he hasn’t shown up to work so I’m not very keen on that angle.

 

[klind55]

I read an article from a Georgia news station that the search has been expanded to be on the lookout throughout Georgia. It was unclear whether the expansion was just part of the nationwide expansion or if there was specific reason to believe she is in Georgia. Do the Closs’ have ties to Georgia?

I read that too and it made me wonder. Why Georgia specifically?

 

[Ibiz]

Could James have one a big jack pot at the casino that evening? Or are these jack pots paid with a check now a days?

 

[sun16]

The suitcase being carried out of the house is interesting. It looked full and somewhat heavy for that female to carry.

 

[rainynights]

I read an article from a Georgia news station that the search has been expanded to be on the lookout throughout Georgia. It was unclear whether the expansion was just part of the nationwide expansion or if there was specific reason to believe she is in Georgia. Do the Closs’ have ties to Georgia?

Without knowing which link is being referenced, I'd suspect it's written that way as part of the known nationwide effort to locate JLC.

The perpetrator(s) and JLC could be anywhere at this point, and I speculate local media could be personalizing the news of a nationwide search by adding in the state in which local coverage is made (e.g. a 'be on the lookout in Georgia' article by a local GA station; a 'be on the lookout in Arizona' article by a local AZ station, etc). This wouldn't be false wording, IMO, since the FBI expanding a search nationwide technically means they are expanding it to each individual state as well.

IMO, state-specific wording could also be helpful in getting more locals to read the articles, if they have reason to be believe JLC, a girl missing from Wisconsin, could be in their state. Which actually could be true, hence the nationwide search. MOO

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Jayme Closs: FBI expands search nationwide for missing Wisconsin girl
The FBI says it's expanded its search nationwide for a 13-year-old Wisconsin girl missing since her parents were found shot to death in their home Monday morning. Authorities say Jayme Closs was in the house when her parents – 46-year-old Denise and 56-year-old James Closs – were killed.

 

[JBeezy]

Would the gift cards have a number or something to identify who purchased them or how they were paid for?

While all of this is theoretically possible it's infinitely more likely that any identifying information about JC or her physical location given away in an online game would be given voluntarily rather than hacked or phished from some database of such info.

Don't worry about someone breaking into Sony's credit card processing facility -- worry about the kid with the account talking to someone they think they can trust and giving out way too much info. The former is really much less likely than Hollywood or the media makes it sound

I don't think this case has anything to do with that kind of thing but hopefully this sheds some light on it for people that do.

 

[Jax49]

The full suitcase being carried out of the house is interesting. It looked full and somewhat heavy for that female to carry.

I've been wondering if the suitcase was evidence or was it LE equipment used for evidence collection?

 

[kspoon45]

The full suitcase being carried out of the house is interesting. It looked full and somewhat heavy for that female to carry.

I'm sure I missed this in trying to catchup on the thread too quickly but where was this shown? A full suitcase is an unusual thing to keep around the house...

 

[Jax49]

I'm sure I missed this in trying to catchup on the thread too quickly but where was this shown? A full suitcase is an unusual thing to keep around the house...

It's in this video Wrenny linked.

I mentioned a video with other stuff being carried out. Found it. A tote and a suitcase... if anyone can make anything of those. 54-55 seconds in this video. Missing 13-year-old girl was home when parents were shot to death, authorities say

 

[MntnHiker]

I keep wondering about how the perp got away from the house with Jayme quickly but also apparently not seen/heard? The neighbor who heard the shots has also said she got up and looked outside about a half hour later, that her dog was acting a bit funny but she didn't see anything unusual (Source: this article Dozens of volunteers help in foot search for missing Wisconsin 13-year-old)

Now the article says "about a half hour," so it could be more or less. One half hour after the shots heard exactly is 1:01 AM and police would already be on the scene. But if it was a couple minutes earlier, the perp could have been leaving at that time. I know the houses don't sit right on the road, but if she was awake, do you think the neighbor would have heard a car accelerating rapidly down the road in either direction? Or not? She didn't mention hearing a car or anything else unusual besides the gunshots.

 

[kspoon45]

Thank you, Jax49!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree with most of your points. I’m just not sure, that if kidnapping was the motive, that the perp would escalate to double homicide, and seemingly pretty rapidly given the timeline of that night that seems probable. Could very well be, but it gives me pause.

I understand.

I look at what is the most reasonable conclusion based on the facts we know at the time.

Most all cases aren't nearly as complex as some seem to think. It usually is as it appears to be.

In this case for me anyway it's pretty straight forward why the parents were immediately eliminated.

Imo the killer/kidnapper knew they were the two threats standing in his way for whom he came to kidnap.

Everything fits for me to think this is what happened and why.