AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

[carmenugt]

I was thinking about this earlier and it was making me really sad. Family members have talked to the media ABOUT her but usually in these cases a family member will talk TO either the missing person and/or the perp. I find it a bit odd that they haven't done that. I really don't know why that would be...kind of makes me wonder if they do think she's deceased (despite the dubious claim to Radar from the "FBI insider" that they know she's alive). If there was a chance she was alive either by choice/having run away or by being held by the perp, I really can't imagine why someone-anyone-in the family wouldn't talk to her and/or the perp directly via the media. Mollie Tibbetts' dad for example thought she was being held by someone who was infatuated with her and had just gotten in over his head. He went on TV to try to mitigate the situation to the perp like "do the right thing you're just in a little bit of trouble you don't want this to escalate..." nothing like this for Jayme?

Agree. LE know s something and are holding cards next to their chest.

 

[Gardener1850]

I have missed so much of this thread. Is there confirmation that Jayme's dad frequented the casino or that he gambled at all? I have seen a lot of posts indicating a connection to the casino. He just didn't seem like the type. Jmo

No. <modsnip - discussing other posters>. We have no knowledge that James had any current debts nor is there any evidence James has ever stepped foot in a casino. I haven't even seen a social media post saying he bought lotto tickets let alone anything to support the theory he had a gambling problem. I feel like without any evidence this theory starts to dance towards victim blaming as posters start stating it again and again as if it is fact without qualifying their posts. JMO.

 

[lisa1990]

this is such a sad case, and so scary. Sadly my gut is telling me this is going to be a cold case for some time....but I hope I’m wrong

 

[Cartie]

Would someone doing an home invasion not pick the locks instead of trying to kick a door down that will make a lot of noise

 

[Trocroc9]

I suggested the same and it was received with a big thumbs down by almost everyone. : )
However, it seems this notion persists.
Guess we shall see.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Sorry must’ve missed your post on this. So much we just don’t know that’s why we guess

And maybe we are on to something even if we’ve been rejected by the majority

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi OBE,

You are in my notes from last night to write to here, as we have been following Diana Alvarez’ case together and she came to mind last night while thinking about Jayme (thank goodness the perp is in custody but what a shame Diana has still not been found).

Anyway I was thinking about her case—-do you remember the perp left the stove on to burn the house down while abducting and leaving with Diana...what was that exactly, do you remember? The reason why I ask is because if so this would classify as a (failed) attempt to murder the family while abducting a girl for sexual purposes. Also, he was a family friend whom they trusted and was known to all of them (as we found out later he had been sexually abusing Diana while staying their home).

I wonder if the Closs’ ever tried to help anyone out who was trying to get on their feet, had them stay over, and might have taken an interest in Jayme.

I would think LE would know though if they had overnight houseguests.

Yes I do vividly remember those awful details. He had full intentions of burning their home down murdering all of her family inside. I wish they would find her little body but honestly I dont think it will ever happen.

That's my problem. My mind is like a full library and I can remember even minute details of almost every case I have ever followed. Many even the month....day and year all of them happened.

I wish that wasn't the case. So many haunt me to this very day many years later.

That is why ..even though I have been following true crimes cases for decades I never have become desensitized to the pain and suffering of the victims and their grieving families left behind to cope with all of the devastation that has changed their lives forever.

And cases involving innocent children are always the very worst for me as I am sure it is for everyone.

The trail of tears are neverending when it comes to innocent children who have crossed paths with so many monsters.

Jmo

 

[rainynights]

Chris Fitzgerald on Twitter

Press Release Oct 21, 2018 We continue to investigate the disappearance of Jayme Closs. I urge the public to continue supplying us with tips. Thus far, we have received over 1,200 tips, and of those, we... facebook.com/barroncountysheriff/posts/2411662992183721 …

 

[nwmouse]

Yes, that's why I was inquiring as to whether all the posts of a possible gambling debt or that the casino is involved are in response to facts and evidence or purely speculation.

Yep, I think the fact is that the casino likely has excellent camera footage of the street/road and that's its only significance.

Personally I don't agree with the gambling theories involving Mr James Closs at this stage.
I may be wrong.

MOO.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Yes, that's why I was inquiring as to whether all the posts of a possible gambling debt or that the casino is involved are in response to facts and evidence or purely speculation.

We have little casinos on Indian Reservations out here and I never noticed any loan sharks patrolling the floor. Most people play the slots or blackjack and enjoy the buffets or decent restaurants within the establishment.

Now people can easily gamble their rent money away fairly quickly. But I don't think the casino house will credit you like that in these smaller casinos. Idk

Plus if he owns his house then a equity loan would suffice to pay back whatever. Idk. I guess we are all just brainstorming for now.

 

[carmenugt]

Hmmm... I agree with all that except that the guy wanted her sexually. I just don’t see a pedophile stepping up his game to just throw in a double homicide for no real reason.

Burglars don't enter from the front door. They use access that is out of view from street. This is red flag #1 for me.

 

[SJ16321]

I suggested the same and it was received with a big thumbs down by almost everyone. : )
However, it seems this notion persists.
Guess we shall see.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Generally speaking, loan sharks don't usually kill their clients. It's kind of counter productive as they'll never get their money back. You'd also assume that the kind of people who order people to be killed for big debts would also hire professionals and not idiots who break the front door down causing loads of noise. Ultimately they'd want a proper job done as they don't want the person to be caught and linked back to them.

There's absolutely nothing so far though to suggest anything to do with debts.

 

[Angleterre]

Just a heads up, as a Brit, where the Daily Mail was unfortunately born, I can tell you now that they are the worst paper here imo, the worst! They are known for outright making stuff up and sensationalising, it's a well known fact in the UK. I trust them about as far as I can throw a double decker bus.

Not quite true... The SUN is the worst ! In more ways than one !!!

 

[DocBrew]

Also described as a shy quiet close family with a shy quiet daughter....

IMO

Also says the Shorts' phone line was cut before they were shot, and LE has said in this case that the 911 operator tried to call the land line but it had been "disconnected". I don't know if "disconnected" means the Closs' had their own line disconnected, or if it was disconnected the night of the murders.

JMO.

 

[Ommmm]

Missing 13-year-old girl was home when parents were shot to death, authorities say

If not a tag placed by the ME, that pink object hanging off of the bag kind of looks like the hand sanitizer things that kids attach to their backpacks. I load my nieces up with them every Christmas.

*Bringing this post forward for those who asked for the pictures

 

[carmenugt]

It's possible the neighbor made a mistake about the time. In one of her interviews, she said that she heard gunshots at 2:37 am and not 12:37 am.

12:31 was the time of 2 shots heard. She had said 12:38. LE found her clock was 7 minutes fast. I deal with people in crisis all the time. She is human. Go by the early reports to LE.

 

[bears10]

NOt a short time, at all. 2 shots , two people dead at 12:31. 911 call at 12:56. That is alot of time between events. I am leaning toward home invasion gone wrong. Waiting on #facts.

Why take jayme if it’s a home invasion gone wrong? Why not just kill her too?

 

[MsBetsy]

Oh

oh man don’t even want to think the call backs let them know where mother was! How horrible!

The gunshots were only seconds apart so I assume she was shot right away and would not have been able to hide. If anyone hid, I think it was Jayme and she somehow managed to make the call. It seems by the time the call was connected she had been seperated from the phone, as they said only background noise was heard. The perp may have realized the call was made and got out fast. Imo

 

[carmenugt]

The problem with assembling a coherent theory here, is that we know so damn little.

If this was such a prolonged ordeal, as indicated by the time gap between gunshots and the 911 call, what the hell was going on?!

For me, the simplest explanation is that the witnesses were wrong about the time.

If they’re not wrong, then I think our theories would jibe with one another’s.

To go in that forceful, that loud, and then hang around? I’m struggling with that.

Unless, they are local. The neighbors were unmoved by the intensity of the gunshots. They attributed it to a neighbor frightening off a bear. That tells me that it is common. Remember, it is a hunting area. Although, it is bow season there.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Generally speaking, loan sharks don't usually kill their clients. It's kind of counter productive as they'll never get their money back. You'd also assume that the kind of people who order people to be killed for big debts would also hire professionals and not idiots who break the front door down causing loads of noise. Ultimately they'd want a proper job done as they don't want the person to be caught and linked back to them.

There's absolutely nothing so far though to suggest anything to do with debts.

Yours is a logical position, and it appears most agree with you.
I am going to be uncharacteristically stubborn and hold on to the casino tie in.

Amateur opinion and speculation only

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Burglars don't enter from the front door. They use access that is out of view from street. This is red flag #1 for me.

People who are home invaders do come to the front door. Most knock or ring the doorbell pretending to need help.

Once the homeowner opens the door the suspect or suspects charges the one at the door and forces them back inside of their dwelling.

Many home invasions have resulted in multiple murders of everyone inside.

Imo