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how long has this luney tune been out of jail..and sure gives the innocence project a black eye imo..
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Here you go new....newtv said:btw
is there a thread somewhere about this teenage couple who's parents were killed (the girls)..just curious if she had any involvement or if she was a victim even though she may not appear to be at first glance..
Thanks Chico...that talks about possible accomplices...but does it mention that bones/human remains were found in some of the cars that were searched....I was sure I read that!!!chicoliving said:Not crazy, here it is....
He was released in 2003.......newtv said:how long has this luney tune been out of jail..and sure gives the innocence project a black eye imo..
OHH- all i know is something about the dna matching another man-which made him innocent-now ya have to wonder what the hell really happened-its not as if u start out at this level-I wonder if all the years being locked up made it even worse-(not as in an excuse)..but pent up hate for women or the need for such a release)joanofarc said:Hi New:
For some reason I don't think it was DNA from semen....something about a pubic hair that was taken from the victim and material gathered from underneath her fingernails.
Let me go check![]()
I think you did read it cause I did too, just have no idea now where. I'll stumble across it eventually.....:blushing:joanofarc said:Thanks Chico...that talks about possible accomplices...but does it mention that bones/human remains were found in some of the cars that were searched....I was sure I read that!!!
No problem...here this should help younewtv said:thx alot for finding out-its kind of u-sorry to trouble u..
Its good to have a case to follow- I have been in withdrawal since the black out on PH's murder.
Whew...thanks chico...at least I wasn't dreaming.....:blowkiss:chicoliving said:I think you did read it cause I did too, just have no idea now where. I'll stumble across it eventually.....:blushing:
Ah, thanks new :blushing: .newtv said:JOA- u r so kind) u make my day to be so gracious..
very interestingjoanofarc said:No problem...here this should help you![]()
http://www.truthinjustice.org/avery.htm
Averys conviction was affirmed by the Wisconsin Court of Appeals, and the Wisconsin Supreme Court denied discretionary review. Ten years later, in 1995, Avery sought DNA testing on fingernail scrapings taken from the victim immediately after the crime. Those tests revealed genetic markers consistent with both the victim and Avery, so that the laboratory could neither conclusively exclude Avery (on the off-chance that he and the victim shared those markers), nor identify him as the perpetrator. Those tests, however, also revealed DNA from another, unknown person, which could not have come from Avery. Despite this evidence of a third-party, the Wisconsin courts denied relief, holding that the DNA evidence was not sufficient to warrant a new trial.
In April 2002 the Wisconsin Innocence Project of the University of Wisconsin Law School obtained a court order, over the states objection, under Wisconsins postconviction DNA testing statute for new testing under newer, more powerful DNA technology. The Wisconsin Crime Laboratory succeeded in developing a PCR/STR profile from a pubic hair retrieved immediately after the assault from the victims pubic hair combings. On September 10, 2003, the lab results were released, proving that Avery and his witnesses were telling the truth, that he was not at that beach on July 29, 1985, that he had nothing to do with the crime, and that the eyewitness was simply mistaken, as eyewitnesses often are. The DNA test conclusively excluded Avery as the source of the pubic hair, and also identified the true perpetrator of this crime, a man named Gregory Allen, who is currently serving a 60-year sentence in prison for sexual assaults committed after this one. Allen was matched to the DNA profile in this case through a search of the state and national DNA databases.
Am I seeing this right? The DNA under her nails had SA's DNA... maybe???? What on earth? How was his conviction overturned if that's the case?newtv said:very interesting
i wonder how the finger nail scrapings ended up counting for nothing-if there was a chance they were his then??
I better read up on it- likley i have it wrong-but if his dna was found under her nails how does that make him innocent..(I mean they could not rule him in or out before-so why did they use the hair to rule him out when the question of the potentially matching cells under the nails was not resolved)
Ten years later, in 1995, Avery sought DNA testing on fingernail scrapings taken from the victim immediately after the crime. Those tests revealed genetic markers consistent with both the victim and Avery, so that the laboratory could neither conclusively exclude Avery (on the off-chance that he and the victim shared those markers), nor identify him as the perpetrator. Those tests, however, also revealed DNA from another, unknown person, which could not have come from Avery.mssheila said:Am I seeing this right? The DNA under her nails had SA's DNA... maybe???? What on earth? How was his conviction overturned if that's the case?
By the pubic hair combings taken from the victim right after the crime. Gregory Allen's DNA was matched to a pubic hair that was found on the victim....this was done later after the appeals court denied Steve when the fingernail DNA was in question.....mssheila said:Am I seeing this right? The DNA under her nails had SA's DNA... maybe???? What on earth? How was his conviction overturned if that's the case?
I know but he was not ruled out by the DNA other than the pubic hair-so it seems to me there was a chance he was there-since his DNA did not exclude him or include him conclusively..joanofarc said:By the pubic hair combings taken from the victim right after the crime. Gregory Allen's DNA was matched to a pubic hair that was found on the victim....this was done later after the appeals court denied Steve when the fingernail DNA was in question.....
The thing is with the victim...she didn't say anyone else was involved. The cops set their sites on Avery right away and put him in a police line-up where she identified him...twice I think. Problem was he was the shortest-blondest guy there and the victim said Avery looks very much like Allen..newtv said:I know but he was not ruled out by the DNA other than the pubic hair-so it seems to me there was a chance he was there-since his DNA did not exclude him or include him conclusively..
just seems fishy to me that he is released from prison only to comit a more heinous crime within 2 years and who knows if this is his first victim.
To me they cant say he is 100 percent innocent if the scrapings/dna markers from under her nails are possibly his? (They matched his and the victims-now how would his dna and her dna be the same-what are the odds of this?)
They can say reasonable doubt-but apparently the judge went on and on about him being innocent.
joanofarc said:The thing is with the victim...she didn't say anyone else was involved. The cops set their sites on Avery right away and put him in a police line-up where she identified him...twice I think. Problem was he was the shortest-blondest guy there and the victim said Avery looks very much like Allen..
Hi CP...you are right somewhere back a few pages....LOL. I am really starting to wonder if these two guys were a team....would be interesting to see what circles they travelled in back then....PIGS, both of them....IMOconcernedperson said:Somewhere on this thread there are photographs of the two and I saw several similarities between them.