Woman Gives Birth To Octuplets In California

[RhythmicSun]

Not sure about Kaiser. I'm wondering how she was able to fire AIW. Apparently the revised contract omitted certain language and requirements and therefore appeased Nadya and she did finally agree.

Don't think for a second that Gloria and AIW didn't know this latest event was coming. They probably even knew it would come as soon as it did.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Did you all see the ad for Dr Phil's Wed. show? At his site you can see the ad- it's scheduled for Wed. Does anyone know if he juggled all this for today's show instead? He is on tv here at 3- so I don't know if the schedule changed.

I would think that Nadya was able to fire the AIW because she agreed to their help on a private basis. (If there was a contract Nadya's lawyer will probably fight it on grounds of duress or something like that.) I'm hoping that Kaiser can make sure that visiting nurses through the State of CA can get into that house~keeping CPS out of the house was probably the only reason she signed the AIW contract anyway.

 

[RhythmicSun]

I think the AIW show was taped yesterday or today, for airing tomorrow. Maybe they bumped it up because of the latest news. The show listed for today is about the young marriages in trouble.

Also, I thought she was now hiring private "nannies" now that AIW is gone, and that nurses from the State of California are not (yet) involved.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

I think the AIW show was taped yesterday or today, for airing tomorrow. Maybe they bumped it up because of the latest news. The show listed for today is about the young marriages in trouble.

Also, I thought she was now hiring private "nannies" now that AIW is gone, and that nurses from the State of California are not (yet) involved.

The website still has the show scheduled for tomorrow. Since I don't tune into Phil, I don't know if the site is accurate. Thanks for the info!

Hospitals used to be able to "send" state or county nurses to visit homes, to "monitor" the care of special needs children- kind of like the house being checked out to see if it was adequate. I read that Nadya was hiring nurses to train the nannies (don't know if that's true)... it's all such a mess! I hate to suggest burdening CA already worn out economy as far as the nurses are concerned, but well checks are going to be the only way to verify all the children are cared for properly (IMO).

 

[laini]

for sure,I wonder what she would have done had she been forced to live in public housing (that would have been a good start!),buy her kids' clothes,WORK,take care of the kids herself..etc.I know it's hard to turn your back on your gkids,but Nadya's parents certainly didn't help any.

Nadya kept having kids because she KNEW her parents would take care of them! she was given no reason to ever rethink her decisions...no reason to ever change..so she kept right on doing what she was doing.

:clap:

Nadya's parents irritate me. One moment they are saying she's mentally unstable and this has been a big mistake, they can't raise 8 more and gma quits, etc..., then the next minute (or interview) they say she's a wonderful mother, blah blah blah. Yes Nadya is in her 30's but she is VERY immature. And they enable her - just as if they allowed her to drink everyday around the kids while gma bustles around. Those kids are around so many mixed messages it is sad. I don't see Nady's parents as the innocent folks some do.

 

[LinasK]

http://www.radaronline.com/videos#/15287829001

here is the radar video tour of her house....you guys are right... the backyard is a grass patch... if a class of 14 tried to have recess out there they would injure each other. It does look in better shape then her poor mother's home (btw...tmz was reporting that Grandma's house could be foreclosed!!!... that is sad...)

Yet, on one hand she said she plans to rip out the grass, and in the very next breath talks about plans for a trampoline and a swingset. Going to do that without grass underneath??? Bark??? Concrete???? Why in the heck is she planning to rip out the lawn when she wants a trampoline and a swingset???:doh:

 

[laini]

In regards to the things being said about Nadya are not reason to remove children, this is what I keep thinking. With four babies (let alone 8!) you would have to go from one crib to the next - change, feed, hold, change, burp, feed, hold, etc.... We know Nadya isn't following a schedule, so it must be pretty disorganized and chaotic. Who is doing all of this? Not enabling gma. THAT is a safety issue. It isn't just prop four bottles and go take a break, come back burp four and then four babies fall asleep. This is so much more than too many people in the house!!!

 

[LinasK]

Makes sense - It's cheap to maintain a pool, especially with no income. But she has been through so much and deserves something better than little blow-up pool like my kids have.

No:snooty: we have a pool in CA, actually they're quite expensive to maintain, there's heating costs, you have to keep them clean, and that's not even getting into the costs of chlorine and other chemicals to keep them balanced, and maintenance costs like replastering, retiling, and such.
Our realtor talked us into getting a house with a pool, and it's been nothing but a money pit!

 

[Boyz_Mum]

:clap:

Nadya's parents irritate me. One moment they are saying she's mentally unstable and this has been a big mistake, they can't raise 8 more and gma quits, etc..., then the next minute (or interview) they say she's a wonderful mother, blah blah blah. Yes Nadya is in her 30's but she is VERY immature. And they enable her - just as if they allowed her to drink everyday around the kids while gma bustles around. Those kids are around so many mixed messages it is sad. I don't see Nady's parents as the innocent folks some do.

My opinion of Angela has softened to the point I am not as sure as I was that she's "in on the fraud". I am feeling rather sorry for her and in the back of my head I wish she'd fight for primary care of the older children~ Nadya made damn sure Angela doesn't have the money to fight and also made sure Angela can't make a dime off this whole fiasco if she had her "gag ordered". Anyone know anymore about the "gag order"?

I'm curious about a million things, I'd like to know if Nadya has secured health care insurance for the children? Does she have a pediatrician set up? (I know not everyone can afford the luxury of health insurance, but has she even looked? Is the bill on the CA taxpayers?) There are just so many things I can't understand about Octomom. There was a photo of her with a bag of diapers on radar online- I don't know the date of the photo, but she looks really tiny in the waist and only has one bag of diapers. Does she run to the store once a day for diapers? How long will a nanny last in that house? What is Nadya going to do when her children treat her the way she treats her mom? Why does she refer to her mom's home as "the one that's foreclosed on"? Why isn't George in Iraq? He had a dollar in his pocket and yet was able to "sign on" a house?

I haven't even listed a quarter of the questions I have. But this is a woman who supposedly studied psychology? I wish I could hear from some of those teachers and classmates from college.

 

[MomofBoys]

Quite frankly, it's not up to the state of California to determine whether a charge is trumped up or not before an investigation ensues. All charges need to be looked at as part of an ONGOING investigation into this situation.

It's so funny that me of all people is saying this, because I'm generally very supportive of large familes and am one of the Duggars' staunchest defenders. There is a lot of hatred out there toward them. With NS, however, I am convinced that this was done primarily to out-multiple the high-profile multiples. She had the embryos, and saw an opportunity to ride the TLC train to stardom and wealth.

Maybe she is a hoarder and has OCD symptomology, but she very obviously has something else going on.

That's all been said, but NS herself brought about this scrutiny by pursuing her "little opportunities and making the decision not to explore embryonic adoption. Her doctor brought this about by seeing a seat on that same gravy train and is equally guilty. He is the uiltimate enabler, and part of his revenue should go to the state in an effort to help these babies and the observance of their care. What I take umbrage with is anyone saying that we shouldn't take reports seriously because we as a country are better than that. We probably are, but when someone is already selling out their children at an age where they haven't even reached the original due date and is obviously making decisions that contrast with the usual care seen with premature infants, then I'm all for taking babies away now and asking questions later.

The mere fact that we have CAMERA CREWS in a home with 10 children (four of them seriously immuno-compromised) is enough to make me crazy. Excessive crowds in the house is not a trumped up charge, it's a realistic threat. I'm not a germaphobe, but I limited access to my babies in the first six weeks and they were full-term infants.

I'm just sick over this, and every day I wait for some manner of tragic story. Even if these babies had full-time professional care, having eight newborns definitely raises your odds of having something bad happen. Put eight newborns in THIS environment and...I have no words. Well, obviously I have a lot of words, but you know what I mean.

I'm a firm pro-lifer who is against the termination of embryos and is an advocate for social services adoption. I'm against big government and this sort of intrusion into people's lives. In this case, however, I find myself wanting to go into her sardine can of an abode and remove a couple of the babies myself. My house is fairly small and isn't the most immaculate place on the block, but they'd get more attention than it takes to feed a bottle.

Normally I find these trainwrecks fascinating, but this one has me hiding my eyes because I fear the real crash hasn't happened yet.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

:clap:Nice post MomofBoys!

 

[RhythmicSun]

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Originally Posted by RhythmicSun

Makes sense - It's cheap to maintain a pool, especially with no income. But she has been through so much and deserves something better than little blow-up pool like my kids have.

No:snooty: we have a pool in CA, actually they're quite expensive to maintain, there's heating costs, you have to keep them clean, and that's not even getting into the costs of chlorine and other chemicals to keep them balanced, and maintenance costs like replastering, retiling, and such.
Our realtor talked us into getting a house with a pool, and it's been nothing but a money pit!

Hi Linas, just FYI that is not my quote up there! ^^ I do wish I still had kids at home and a kiddie pool though!

 

[RhythmicSun]

My opinion of Angela has softened to the point I am not as sure as I was that she's "in on the fraud". I am feeling rather sorry for her and in the back of my head I wish she'd fight for primary care of the older children~ Nadya made damn sure Angela doesn't have the money to fight and also made sure Angela can't make a dime off this whole fiasco if she had her "gag ordered". Anyone know anymore about the "gag order"?

I'm curious about a million things, I'd like to know if Nadya has secured health care insurance for the children? Does she have a pediatrician set up? (I know not everyone can afford the luxury of health insurance, but has she even looked? Is the bill on the CA taxpayers?) There are just so many things I can't understand about Octomom. There was a photo of her with a bag of diapers on radar online- I don't know the date of the photo, but she looks really tiny in the waist and only has one bag of diapers. Does she run to the store once a day for diapers? How long will a nanny last in that house? What is Nadya going to do when her children treat her the way she treats her mom? Why does she refer to her mom's home as "the one that's foreclosed on"? Why isn't George in Iraq? He had a dollar in his pocket and yet was able to "sign on" a house?

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Addressing part of your questions, Nadya "earned" the money, and her dad was able to engineer a purchase on what was probably a house that sorely needed to be sold. So the deal probably went down much easier and faster than it normally would in a good economy.

Also, I really feel for her mom like you do. Angela is a very different person than her daughter. She is a no-nonsense practical type of woman. Maybe she wasn't as affectionate or histrionic as Nadya would have liked her to be, but she was probably a good provider and did love her daughter. And she's tried to do right in this situation against all odds. So I have no issues with Angela at all from the information I'm working with.

 

[Chiquita71]

The problem is that you can't take children from someone just because:
* there are so many kids
* The mom is manipulative
* the mom is single
* the mom is poor
* there are too many little kids
* the kids are exposed to germs from the other kids in the family
* the mom is on welfare, food stamps etc.
* the mom may snap at some point
* the mom is unemployed
* the mom makes money having TV crews follow her
* the mom has lewd nurses
* the mom is snappy
* the mom isn't loving
* the mom is a hoarder
* the mom only has kids because she is dysfunctional
* the mom is a manipulator
* the mom lives in a new modern house with stairs (i'd assume most people in the US have stairs)
* the mom is a liar
* the house is stressful

None of those are reasons to remove the children.

It seems that any mom with that many kids would come out and say "this is going to be hard. I don't have a clue how I am going to do this, but I am going to do my best. I really need some help. Noone can do this alone, especially when the children are so little. I appreciate all that everyone has done. I appreciate the opportunity to show my children to the world this past two months. It has given me the opportunity to buy a home so these children have more room than they did before."

Regardless of how she got into this situation, I think most of us would be supportive if she got a clue. If she were honest about the situation, not always manipulating, lying, hiding things, thinking she didn't need help, etc.

No matter how bad of a mom she is, there is no record that she has ever failed to feed the kids, give them clothes, shelter. There is no evidence that she has ever "harmed" any of them. She's a nutcase, but you can't take the kids for that. There are children in circumstances worse than any of us can ever imagine that CPS can't remove.

Thinking further, what happens if they are removed. How many foster kids are abused? How scarred would the kids be knowing that strangers ripped their family apart because they were unusual. I think a better solution is to have court ordered round the clock nanny help with her money she just earned. Stick it into an escrow account for nanny support. Take the burden off of grandma and grandpa and reduce that stress and friction in the house by not having the grandma as the caretaker.

"That list is sad for children."

Thank you Rainbows: I did not know that. Now that I read what you wrote, it makes sense(in the fact that nothing really ever makes much real sense.) Not that I can do much about that...

This story with 'mom' is confusing. I do not have children. I believe child abuse is the root of all violence. I do think the things you listed above are child abuse and...I also think spanking your child is abuse. (I already know many parents and people disagree.)

I understand that we can not go taking a child out of a home because the parent spanks...(I do think spanking IS abuse-I only say I "understand" because we would have to deem so so many parents unfit, not because I think it is okay at all-just to reiterate my unpopular point).

Then you have "a" Octomom, and "a" alexBwn(as examples of "parenting styles" & or "personality quirks" maybe "they are doing the best they can"?) yelling at his daughter like she was a grown woman on the telephone. Where does abuse begin? What is child abuse? I don't know what is abuse of children as far as adults are concerned(your post really showed me that!): they always and still confuse me-I am glad I can remember being a child and I can tell ya...they don't like to be hit for any reason-even their 'own good'. For now until a better day on earth-as long as the children of this 'mom' are taken care of(fed, housed, clothed, educated, and given health care) and asked what they want-a least there's that. I reluctantly say this: maybe it is better that she stay on video so people can "mother" her from afar? Keep an eye on her...?

This is just my opinion because, of course-this is just something I have seen on televsion and online and read about here on a message board. I have no idea what the reality of this story truly is: or something like that. I hoped I snipped right, commented right, and offended correctly. :twocents:

 

[SallyLu]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-mom-vs-angels-waiting-i-almost-called-police


This woman is in her own world as far as I'm concerned.

1] - She finally managed to bond when AIW left.

2] - All that talk about kidnapping. IMO I think the AIW were giving an example of what could happen when many unknown people are in and out of the house.

And are the lips even bigger today?

 

[RhythmicSun]

She said the lips were going to go down after she lost the pregnancy weight!

 

[PattyCake]

She said the lips were going to go down after she lost the pregnancy weight!

Well her nose shrunk a lot during the pregnancy and morphed itself into the very same shape as Angelinas...so it's safe to assume it's about to get huge again too? :waitasec:

 

[Boyz_Mum]

That video nauseated me. Nadya say's she was "basically" quoting Linda, so what did Linda really say? Warning Nadya about the potential of kidnapping over and again was akin to threatening her? Having a hundred people traipsing in and out of the house that Nadya does not know, it seems reasonable for Linda to warn her about this, doesn't it?

Also when Nadya said HER doctor said the babies didn't need much more than nurturing, there was no issue of weakened health (or something to that effect), I think that's BS. I don't know of a doctor being able to say anything like that because they have to let you know all the "possibilities" or face malpractice suits!

Then I had to turn off the video.

 

[PattyCake]

I'm currently taking classes to become a Childs Advocate and we have case studies on why CPS removes children and the very difficult process of parents making attempts to have the children returned to them.

I'm using this case as I'm sure many in my class are for an example on how to go about removing these children. I have a multitude of questions I'm going to ask tonight.

While there's the 'unknown' and many assumptions I believe theres enough info from Nadya where she personally demonstrates her inability to parent any of the children. She is completely out of control, makes quick irrational decisions that are harmful to her children and she has no permanent future long term ability to financially care for all 14 kids while providing a safe environment. She is immature and is self destructive. Being a pathological liar certainly does not aid in anyone believing she will follow through with any future choices with respect to the children therefore a judge will take a look at pattern of behaviour.

This is not a person that will have the ability to retain custody on a long term basis - going by the law and what are determining factors to keep the children away from their natural parent!

 

[Penelope]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-mom-vs-angels-waiting-i-almost-called-police


This woman is in her own world as far as I'm concerned.

1] - She finally managed to bond when AIW left.

2] - All that talk about kidnapping. IMO I think the AIW were giving an example of what could happen when many unknown people are in and out of the house.

And are the lips even bigger today?

Thanks for the link! I watched the video (although I am trying to avoid radaronline) and I must say that she comes across as calm with a hysterical edge. (I think the lips look bigger because she is getting thinner!)

There must be an issue with lots of people in an out of the house and that is obviously a concern to AIW but not to Nadya.

At this point, I am "throwing up my hands" and am now of the opinion that Octomom should be allowed to care for them with her team of nannies with social workers coming by a couple of times a week to monitor the situation. She'll either sink ir swim-- but there's not much anyone can do about it.

The Government of California should determine what money she has and cut her off from any kind of welfare or social services payments. She obviously has "earned" enough $$ to afford her own nannies -- so let it all come out of her pocket.

I wonder if the construction crews who fixed up her house have installed any hidden cameras. I would love to see what goes on in that house once AIW leaves. I suspect Octomom is like my late husband's ex -- she puts on a facade of rationality in public but how she acts behind closed doors is another matter. She has the "paranoid" thoughts the "ex" has -- always believing you are talking behind her back and then misinterpreting what you say. I think what AIW actually said to Octomom and what Octomom heard are two different things!

It's sad, but at this point there is not much anyone can do except pray that the babies all survive until they are old enough to move out on their own!