Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #5

[LuckyLucy2]

As I have stated many times before, I don't hate Rebecca Zahau. I don't work for not, nor have I ever worked for SDSO. Or the FBI. Or Homeland Security. Or CPO. And I am not a Shacknai or Romano. Nor do I work for them. Or their Attorneys. Or Strick and Co.

And have I mentioned I don't hate Rebecca? I just think she killed herself like LE determined.

I have seen no "hate Rebecca campaign" and don't know what that even is.

Just want to make that clear to everyone in the forum. Thanks!

 

[screecher]

lololol

 

[xheraldina]

^ No, it actually just shows they knew what they were doing. Testing the inside of the knots was the surest way to see who tied Rebecca up - and they found it was Rebecca and only Rebecca.

You are joking right?
Why would one test the inside of the knots of a tied arms?
Isn't it a common sense that there should be the DNA of the victim.
Knots must have been checked from outside. But as we all know glows do not leave DNA.
Also, are you saying that Adam's DNA was found on the knife with which the rope was cut?

 

[K_Z]

IMO, if at trial Dina goes down the path of RZ not being a "suitable" caretaker for Max, she's doomed. For starters, the reasons behind her accusations of RZ's "unsuitability" are ludicrous. Even worse is that she apparently spent a considerable amount of time trying to insure Max wasn't comfortable around RZ, and vice versa. That screams jealousy and vindictiveness. It does not scream "loving mother" by any thinking person's definition.

Loving mothers (and dads) spend considerable time insuring their child feels comfortable with the ex-spouse's new significant other. It's about the child's feelings, safety, and security - not about mom's feelings of jealousy and rage.

BBM for focus. No kidding, Imp! That's the Cell Block Tango defense, better known as "She had it coming!"

"I didn't do it,
but if I'd done it,
how could you tell me that I was wrong?"

Any juror with a temperature of 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit will see that for what it is.

 

[SweetT]

Seems to me if as someone posted here that the house is so close to the beach etc that a scream that was determined to come from the beach is going to be a moot point in this case.
Also IMO If I were on the jury and from what I have heard and read and seen there would not be enough evidence for me to accuse Dina , Nina and Adam of murdering Rebecca. Sorry, it is a weird case with a lot of twists and turns..alot of which will probably not even be allowed or entered into evidence etc..but I would not be able to convict those people of murder just saying. They are afraid of Jonah, but he is who needs to answer a few questions IMO. I dont care if he was at the hospital the night Rebecca hung herself..Mark Sievers wasn't around when Teresa was killed either.
Also just FYI..there is no comparison in this case and the Arias case, but she was allowed to trash Travis on stand and it was disgusting. I would have never guessed anyone would have been allowed to do such a thing but apparently it's possible. Jose Biaz also lied like a dog for Casey, so I have little hope for our justice system honestly.

 

[SweetT]

IMO, if at trial Dina goes down the path of RZ not being a "suitable" caretaker for Max, she's doomed. For starters, the reasons behind her accusations of RZ's "unsuitability" are ludicrous. Even worse is that she apparently spent a considerable amount of time trying to insure Max wasn't comfortable around RZ, and vice versa. That screams jealousy and vindictiveness. It does not scream "loving mother" by any thinking person's definition.

Loving mothers (and dads) spend considerable time insuring their child feels comfortable with the ex-spouse's new significant other. It's about the child's feelings, safety, and security - not about mom's feelings of jealousy and rage.

Or it shows that you don't want daddy who tends to have too many women around your child playing mommy for no reason. It's gonna be hard for someone to prove Dina spent any time trying to ensure max wasn't comfortable around RZ..Ive never heard of such nonsense. I have children and wouldnt want my ex bringing my kids around every skirt he chased..I'm damn picky about who my kids are being watched by and don't blame anyone else who is either. Maybe Dina knows something that we don't. Either way..its not right to bring kids around a different woman/gf all the time. If your are serious about someone and you have kids, quit playing house and make it legal. JMO

 

[SweetT]

I just also wanted to add, my ex took my daughter to one of his GF's homes to spend the night with him on his visitation...This lady's son tried to molest my daughter... NO, Just NO, not gonna happen.

 

[SweetT]

As I have stated many times before, I don't hate Rebecca Zahau. I don't work for not, nor have I ever worked for SDSO. Or the FBI. Or Homeland Security. Or CPO. And I am not a Shacknai or Romano. Nor do I work for them. Or their Attorneys. Or Strick and Co.

And have I mentioned I don't hate Rebecca? I just think she killed herself like LE determined.

I have seen no "hate Rebecca campaign" and don't know what that even is.

Just want to make that clear to everyone in the forum. Thanks!

I don't see the hate Rebecca campaign either, I have seen the nasty stuff posted about Dina though, and all of it actually turned me away from the murder theory to suicide. They are going to have to come up with some real proof or these jurors will not be so easily convinced. Even and I say IF...IF Dina is not on a camera at the hospital the night of the suicide..that still would not PROVE she murdered anyone. I mean how many people are not on the camera's at Rady hospital that night? So everyone on this forum is suspect, plus all the jurors. And that's if any of the jurors even decide to not believe that LE didnt lie.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

I'm with you, SweetT.

I can't think of many Mothers who would want their child around someone who was just convicted of shoplifting (August 2009).

If a woman has no implusive control and/or the bad judgement and/or the moral lackings to shopliftt - and is caught when she is 30 years old when she steals $1000 worth of jewelry - when she has a good job at Horizon Eye Specialists & Lasik Center, as a Certified Ophthalmic Technician (the only time she had a job, BTW), AND while she is dating a multi-millionalre.

I mean, why would she steal when she has a good job and is dating Jonah Shacknai??? It just does not compute and it says something is very wrong there.

She also was ticketed for excessive use of a car horn in Missouri. That seems to suggest impulse control and anger control.

I can't think of many "good" mothers that would feel comfortable with their young child with this woman. Especially for her to attend his school events and have the nerve to say she is his Mother! Something was just wrong there.

But that does not mean I hate Rebecca. eace: I don't.

However, many here hate Dina and most of the untrue things said about this poor woman that lost her little boy (because of Rebecca) are stomach churning.

There are many citizens of San Diego that will feel like SweetT and I. The Zahaus are going to have an uphill battle.

 

[SweetT]

I'm with you, SweetT.

I can't think of many Mothers who would want their child around someone who was just convicted of shoplifting (August 2009).

If a woman has no implusive control and/or the bad judgement and/or the moral lackings to shopliftt - and is caught when she is 30 years old when she steals $1000 worth of jewelry - when she has a good job at Horizon Eye Specialists & Lasik Center, as a Certified Ophthalmic Technician (the only time she had a job, BTW), AND while she is dating a multi-millionalre.

I mean, why would she steal when she has a good job and is dating Jonah Shacknai??? It just does not compute and it says something is very wrong there.

She also was ticketed for excessive use of a car horn in Missouri. That seems to suggest impulse control and anger control.

I can't think of many "good" mothers that would feel comfortable with their young child with this woman. Especially for her to attend his school events and have the nerve to say she is his Mother! Something was just wrong there.

But that does not mean I hate Rebecca. eace: I don't.

However, many here hate Dina and most of the untrue things said about this poor woman that lost her little boy (because of Rebecca) are stomach churning.

There are many citizens of San Diego that will feel like SweetT and I. The Zahaus are going to have an uphill battle.

I honestly think the stealing of the jewelry was to impress Jonah Shacknai. I have no clue how much a certified ophthalmologist assistant pays, but I will guess it isn't that much. Also, I thought she started dating Jonah while she was working there and probably did not know him before her job there. I still feel that she stole the jewelry most likely for a date or something with Jonah to look like she had something nice. (Of course it's just a guess on my part). I guess I don't know what the situation with her was but most people start working at 18 or somewhere near there. Some of us even earlier .
I don't blame Rebecca for wanting a better life and she saw Jonah as the way to get there, even if it meant cheating on her husband and living with Jonah while married. I do however feel that Max didn't have any say so or choice about who his father dated or who he had to be around. He was not an adult and had no say so on his care or his dads girlfriends. Why would Dina be jealous of Rebecca? I don't get that. Did Jonah cheat on Dina with Rebecca? I guess I'm asking because I am not sure if he did or not. Dina IMO has no reason to be jealous of Rebecca. Dina had her son, her career and from what I can tell a pretty good life considering everything prior to her sons death. Most women don't much care about another woman trying to pass them selves off as their childs mother.. That honestly is a bit psycho and would probably be a red flag for most people.

She also was ticketed for excessive use of a car horn in Missouri. That seems to suggest impulse control and anger control. I guess I didnt know about this, but yes this does show somewhat of an anger issue here. I do think Jonah was attracted to women with anger issues..and some women grow out of them, others don't. But it does seem that he is attracted to that type, possibly because he is also that way.

 

[Imp]

Or it shows that you don't want daddy who tends to have too many women around your child playing mommy for no reason. It's gonna be hard for someone to prove Dina spent any time trying to ensure max wasn't comfortable around RZ..Ive never heard of such nonsense. I have children and wouldnt want my ex bringing my kids around every skirt he chased..I'm damn picky about who my kids are being watched by and don't blame anyone else who is either. Maybe Dina knows something that we don't. Either way..its not right to bring kids around a different woman/gf all the time. If your are serious about someone and you have kids, quit playing house and make it legal. JMO

It doesn't appear Jonah chased skirts. Do you have evidence to the contrary? Jonah is definitely not my cup of tea, but it appears he prefers long-term relationships/marriage to skirt chasing. He and Rebecca had been together for some time (can't recall how long at the moment). If he was a skirt-chaser, I can't imagine why he'd bring RZ along to Coronado with him and his children. Rebecca also seemed to have a significant relationship with Max, indicating she was a big part of Jonah's life and not some some random fling. Not sure why she would ever be viewed as nothing more than a "skirt" Jonah chased.

I have no idea what happened to Jonah's first marriage, but few first marriages last these days. His second marriage to Dina was apparently a train wreck. It's entirely possible his relationship with Rebecca would've gone the distance - we'll never know, will we?

 

[SweetT]

It doesn't appear Jonah chased skirts. Do you have evidence to the contrary? Jonah is definitely not my cup of tea, but it appears he prefers long-term relationships/marriage to skirt chasing. He and Rebecca had been together for some time (can't recall how long at the moment). If he was a skirt-chaser, I can't imagine why he'd bring RZ along to Coronado with him and his children. Rebecca also seemed to have a significant relationship with Max, indicating she was a big part of Jonah's life and not some some random fling. Not sure why she would ever be viewed as nothing more than a "skirt" Jonah chased.

I have no idea what happened to Jonah's first marriage, but few first marriages last these days. His second marriage to Dina was apparently a train wreck. It's entirely possible his relationship with Rebecca would've gone the distance - we'll never know, will we?

We will never know because it never got that far. In fact Rebecca had talked about leaving him if he didnt have her back with the teen age kids. It was a judge who stated that Jonah obviously was a bad husband but a good father..Then another man who worked for the some company that Jonah was involved with that stated..and I would have to look on the net for it, but this man who knew Jonah personally said it was a well known fact that he was a skirt chaser. I also thought it was pretty quickly after Rebecca's death that he was already in with another woman. TO me, he reeks of skirt chaser, always trying to get a younger model etc. I will see if I can find the interview from the man that stated that.
I personally think Jonah and Rebecca were headed down the toilet before Max's death and that was just the straw that broke the camels back...after that it was a no way thing. He was never going to marry Rebecca after that, ever.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

I honestly think the stealing of the jewelry was to impress Jonah Shacknai. I have no clue how much a certified ophthalmologist assistant pays, but I will guess it isn't that much. Also, I thought she started dating Jonah while she was working there and probably did not know him before her job there. I still feel that she stole the jewelry most likely for a date or something with Jonah to look like she had something nice. (Of course it's just a guess on my part). I guess I don't know what the situation with her was but most people start working at 18 or somewhere near there. Some of us even earlier .
I don't blame Rebecca for wanting a better life and she saw Jonah as the way to get there, even if it meant cheating on her husband and living with Jonah while married. I do however feel that Max didn't have any say so or choice about who his father dated or who he had to be around. He was not an adult and had no say so on his care or his dads girlfriends. Why would Dina be jealous of Rebecca? I don't get that. Did Jonah cheat on Dina with Rebecca? I guess I'm asking because I am not sure if he did or not. Dina IMO has no reason to be jealous of Rebecca. Dina had her son, her career and from what I can tell a pretty good life considering everything prior to her sons death. Most women don't much care about another woman trying to pass them selves off as their childs mother.. That honestly is a bit psycho and would probably be a red flag for most people.

She also was ticketed for excessive use of a car horn in Missouri. That seems to suggest impulse control and anger control. I guess I didnt know about this, but yes this does show somewhat of an anger issue here. I do think Jonah was attracted to women with anger issues..and some women grow out of them, others don't. But it does seem that he is attracted to that type, possibly because he is also that way.

Actually, SweetT, I was wrong about RZ being with JS when she shoplifted. According to Ann Rule in her book, Rebecca had not even met Jonah yet when she shoplifted. And if Jonah was a skirt chaser, Rebecca, too, had numerous affairs while married to Neil and was, in fact, living with someone else other than Neil when she met Jonah. Here are the dates Ann Rule gives:

2005 - Rebecca and Neil move to Philadelphia. Neil begins to suspect Rebecca of seeing another man. p 237

- Neil moves to Colorado Springs and starts dating someone. p. 237

- Rebecca hears he is with someone else and calls and asks to come back and try one more time. p. 237

March 2008 - They move to Scottsdale, AZ. Rebecca gets a job working as a surgery assistant for a laser eye surgeon. p.237

Dec. 24, 2008 - Jonah moves out of his home with Dina Shacknai, and they begin divorce proceedings.

2009 - Becky buys house and begins to see someone else p. 237

Aug. 2009 Rebecca is arrested for shoplifting $1000 worth of jewelry from a Macy's store in Scottsdate. She is booked, pleads guilty, is charged, and pays a $500 fine.

October 2009 - Rebecca again starts to see someone else other than Neil. p. 237

December 2009 - Rebecca moves in with a man she met in Scottsdale. - p. 239

Neil files for divorce - p. 239

Rebecca meets Jonah Shacknai when he comes in for eye surgery. (Ann does not give an exact date).

- Rebecca and Jonah begin to date.

January 2010 - Rebecca quits her job to move in with Jonah. p. 239

February 2011 - Neil and Rebecca's divorce is final.

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So the shoplifting thing is really, really odd. Rebecca did not even tell Mary about the shoplifting as we found out in her deposition, so I bet she sure didn't let Jonah know, either. I bet Jonah did not know until Dina found out.

But Rebecca and Jonah did seem happy. Until Max's accident. And then Rebecca knew it was over, IMO, got angry, and took her own life.

 

[SweetT]

Actually, SweetT, I was wrong about RZ being with JS when she shoplifted. According to Ann Rule in her book, Rebecca had not even met Jonah yet when she shoplifted. And if Jonah was a skirt chaser, Rebecca, too, had numerous affairs while married to Neil and was, in fact, living with someone else other than Neil when she met Jonah. Here are the dates Ann Rule gives:

2005 - Rebecca and Neil move to Philadelphia. Neil begins to suspect Rebecca of seeing another man. p 237

- Neil moves to Colorado Springs and starts dating someone. p. 237

- Rebecca hears he is with someone else and calls and asks to come back and try one more time. p. 237

March 2008 - They move to Scottsdale, AZ. Rebecca gets a job working as a surgery assistant for a laser eye surgeon. p.237

Dec. 24, 2008 - Jonah moves out of his home with Dina Shacknai, and they begin divorce proceedings.

2009 - Becky buys house and begins to see someone else p. 237

Aug. 2009 Rebecca is arrested for shoplifting $1000 worth of jewelry from a Macy's store in Scottsdate. She is booked, pleads guilty, is charged, and pays a $500 fine.

October 2009 - Rebecca again starts to see someone else other than Neil. p. 237

December 2009 - Rebecca moves in with a man she met in Scottsdale. - p. 239

Neil files for divorce - p. 239

Rebecca meets Jonah Shacknai when he comes in for eye surgery. (Ann does not give an exact date).

- Rebecca and Jonah begin to date.

January 2010 - Rebecca quits her job to move in with Jonah. p. 239

February 2011 - Neil and Rebecca's divorce is final.

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So the shoplifting thing is really, really odd. Rebecca did not even tell Mary about the shoplifting as we found out in her deposition, so I bet she sure didn't let Jonah know, either. I bet Jonah did not know until Dina found out.

But Rebecca and Jonah did seem happy. Until Max's accident. And then Rebecca knew it was over, IMO, got angry, and took her own life.

Interesting.. I guess I did not feel that they were that happy for numerous reasons prior to Max's death. One other reason is that Rebecca stated to someone that she felt she loved Jonah more than he loved her and that Now she knew how Neil felt. Not a comment that someone who is in a happy relationship would make IMO. It would also be interesting to know who the guy in Scottsdale was and what his opinion of Rebecca was.

 

[Waitaminute]

If Dina isn't on the camera, then it would show that she lied about where she was. That would be considered important. When people lie, there is a reason. That too, would be important.

I don't see the hate Rebecca campaign either, I have seen the nasty stuff posted about Dina though, and all of it actually turned me away from the murder theory to suicide. They are going to have to come up with some real proof or these jurors will not be so easily convinced. Even and I say IF...IF Dina is not on a camera at the hospital the night of the suicide..that still would not PROVE she murdered anyone. I mean how many people are not on the camera's at Rady hospital that night? So everyone on this forum is suspect, plus all the jurors. And that's if any of the jurors even decide to not believe that LE didnt lie.

 

[Waitaminute]

So if Adam didn't touch the rope and have his DNA found on it, well just what about the knife? Why wasn't his dna found on the knife?

 

[SweetT]

Still searching for the interview with that male friend/colleague or who ever he was with Jonah..But did come across this old interview with Mary: It did remind me that they were probably having issues well before Max's death and all was not rainbows and sunshine at the home prior to Rebecca and Max's deaths:

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2011/sep/14/citylights2-rebecca-zahau/

Was Shacknai in love with Becky?

Mary hesitates.

“I don’t know. I couldn’t read [them]. I mean, were they affectionate with each other? No, not really. Not in front of us. If I saw them, I probably wouldn’t get that impression. Becky told me that she did love him but that she was disappointed in a lot of ways because he wouldn’t…she was disappointed in his [teenaged] kids, [how] they were allowed to be openly rude to her. Those other two children didn’t want her, period. They resented her. And Jonah would not defend her [against them], stop that. Not really. Not by my impression.” (sounds like the teenagers did not like Rebecca, so maybe their mother was causing problems and not Dina as has been posted) Or they just did not like her...

By this summer, it was coming to a crunch for Rebecca.

“We talked about it; that if the teenaged kids’ behavior doesn’t improve she was considering telling Jonah at the end of this summer that she…needed to have some time to herself.

“I don’t know if she ended up telling him or not.”

Did he give emotional support to his lover’s family?

“Emotional support?” says Mary. “No. He talked a few random times, yes. He talked more with my husband, but it was more of technical things like funeral arrangements and that kind of stuff.”

 

[SweetT]

If Dina isn't on the camera, then it would show that she lied about where she was. That would be considered important. When people lie, there is a reason. That too, would be important.

I think they will find that she was there even if it is from witness statements via nurses etc..But regardless we have seen this many times...even and I say even IF she did lie which I dont think she did, but a lie does not make a murderer. We see it all the time here on WS . I agree it wouldn't look good but that will probably be negated if there are eye witnesses that saw her there.. Do we even know where all the camera's at the hospital are? The placement? Do we know if they all were operational and working that night. Did they have all entrances, exits covered? I have dealt with cameras for yrs in parking lots and stores etc and sometimes something did happen but does not get caught on camera for whatever reason. Sometimes there is a bad camera, or its not facing the right way..lots of different things. That would be interesting to know IMO.

 

[Waitaminute]

Gotcha. No, I have no idea where the cameras are or if they were operational.

I think they will find that she was there even if it is from witness statements via nurses etc..But regardless we have seen this many times...even and I say even IF she did lie which I dont think she did, but a lie does not make a murderer. We see it all the time here on WS . I agree it wouldn't look good but that will probably be negated if there are eye witnesses that saw her there.. Do we even know where all the camera's at the hospital are? The placement? Do we know if they all were operational and working that night. Did they have all entrances, exits covered? I have dealt with cameras for yrs in parking lots and stores etc and sometimes something did happen but does not get caught on camera for whatever reason. Sometimes there is a bad camera, or its not facing the right way..lots of different things. That would be interesting to know IMO.

 

[bourne]

It doesn't appear Jonah chased skirts. Do you have evidence to the contrary? Jonah is definitely not my cup of tea, but it appears he prefers long-term relationships/marriage to skirt chasing. He and Rebecca had been together for some time (can't recall how long at the moment). If he was a skirt-chaser, I can't imagine why he'd bring RZ along to Coronado with him and his children. Rebecca also seemed to have a significant relationship with Max, indicating she was a big part of Jonah's life and not some some random fling. Not sure why she would ever be viewed as nothing more than a "skirt" Jonah chased.

I have no idea what happened to Jonah's first marriage, but few first marriages last these days. His second marriage to Dina was apparently a train wreck. It's entirely possible his relationship with Rebecca would've gone the distance - we'll never know, will we?

I'm with you on this. No indication whatsoever, no evidence whatsoever that Jonah chased skirts and that Rebecca was a passing one-night stand. Sorry whoever claimed she was because Jonah even gave Rebecca a promise ring. Plus they spoke about having children together, according to Rebecca's own diary. And Rebecca would have no reason to lie in her own diary.

As a matter of fact, if Dina herself thought Rebecca was only a fly-by-night girl, why would she need to go STALKING Rebecca and investigating her background for YEARS? Everyone knows if Rebecca was only one of many, Dina would not have been so furious and jealous to go to the extent of INVESTIGATING Rebecca's background. Unless the poster is claiming that Dina is an unreasonable, histrionic NUT who checks out every single girl Jonah dates?