Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #38

[silverau]

My God that is alarming.
Edit: in response to the post that explains how a lot of forensic pathologists aren’t qualified. Not sure why it didn’t quote.

Its terribly alarming. I had no idea until today that this was a thing in the US, and now even more so with the figures.

I'm amazed it's not been used by a defence in some murder trials. Crikey.

 

[Deleted member 121463]

I believe that the parents went to Orlando to testify before a grand jury. I also believe they will be arrested today. Just my hunch based on nothing! imo.

 

[GRT]

Brian Entin (@BrianEntin) / Twitter
Protestors outside the Laundrie home with bullhorns saying Justice for Gabby. It says they'll be back every hour on the hour.
Police came by to be sure there were no issues and left.

I think what they're doing is ridiculous. The neighbors don't deserve that. A quiet presence on the street in front of the home is one thing -- bullhorns are quite another.

 

[Simply Southern]

they can’t even leave the house for milk

Glad you brought this up

I've not seen any evidence the family purchased "groceries" or a delivery, just the milk.

Did BL's family stock up on food prior to his disappearance?
Does the family keep a stock pile of food, as a general rule?

Doesn't seem like normal behavior, to me.

JMHO

 

[VaBorn]

sure, that sounds easy enough but his parents might not be the tech savy type. not everyone their age is and/or wants to be. /JMO

I think a lot of folks who may not have cared to know figured it out during the pandemic, particularly someone who may be vulnerable. <modsnip>

 

[ericasf]

I think what they're doing is ridiculous. The neighbors don't deserve that. A quiet presence on the street in front of the home is one thing -- bullhorns are quite another.

I have to say, I'm torn on this. I feel absolutely horrible for the neighbors. I would imagine many are sitting thinking that they may end up moving because who wants to live down the street from all of that, near term and long term. And then, I can't say that I blame the protests and in the end, a young woman was murdered at the hands of their son and they have not lifted one finger to help and in fact, have hindered a lot of the investigation. Grief and anger takes many forms, is expressed in many different ways and if GP was still here, there would be no people with bullhorns outside in that neighborhood.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

My God that is alarming.

Edit: in response to the post that explains how a lot of forensic pathologists aren’t qualified. Not sure why it didn’t quote.

I think pathogists are qualified, it's the coroners who are often elected. The coroner arranges the pathologists to do the work, it's not like some newb coroner just rolls up his sleeves, grabs a saw, and is like "Hmmm, where to start?"

 

[Alethea]

Finding an offender's DNA on a victim's body is circumstantial. Matching a bullet found in a victim to a gun owned by an offender is circumstantial. Evidence of decomposition is circumstantial. The best evidence out there is circumstantial.

 

[Katerz]

Wow they really focused in that particular area..

 

[cady]

Glad you brought this up

I've not seen any evidence the family purchased "groceries" or a delivery, just the milk.

Did BL's family stock up on food prior to his disappearance?
Does the family keep a stock pile of food, as a general rule?

Doesn't seem like normal behavior, to me.

JMHO

Seems like they must have a food stash, because they have never been seen shopping and media has been camped out near their property and have never reported food delivery! Id be plenty HANGRY!jmo

 

[MessyLee]

Welcome. The complete picture isn't available yet.

Any number or combination of things could lead the ME to determine homicide vs accident- of course the nature and extent of injuries- one skull fracture on the back of the head from falling vs multiple fractures, gunshot, knife marks, or defensive wounds. Attempt to conceal the body. Signs of sexual assault. Signs at the scene like drag marks, missing clothing, jewelry.

All of the reports are not public (and I am not sure they should ever be).

Thank you! Yes you are so right that it could be so many reasons why they decided it was a homicide.

My point was, that I find it very unlikely, that it was just one injury, that could also be because of she just fell ( the same that he pushed her and it was an accident of sorts).
So I think the "oh he just pushed her away and she fell down and hit her head and he panicked and ran"- scenario is propably not the case as I hope they are at least sure (to some extent of course, as life is always unpredictable) when announcing it was No accident. So let's be honest, whoever it was, likely Brian, it was a clear killing. Maybe impulsive and whatnot but the killer knew it would not appear as anything else. MOO OOMB

 

[HoneySugar]

Oh no, I'm sorry. That's not what I meant by verified. Maybe a better word is "approved" to link or quote here on Websleuths.

Neither of their Instagtam accounts have the 'verified' check, but most vloggers don't become verified until they've reached hundreds of thousands if not millions of followers and have been at it for a while. GP and BL were just starting out.

 

[Cecelia]

Wow they really focused in that particular area..

Checking the site, and wow! That is a really tight circle they were in, over and over. Too bad I wasn't watching the stream, they are moving off now.

 

[cady]

Someone said on a previous thread that they had a lot of groceries delivered.

Oh...I didn't see that. Do you know who reported it? jmo

 

[Veronica Sawyer]

There is no reasonable explanation here. Gabby was with him, Gabby was found dead, before she was found he left her there, stole her bank cards and stole her van. While she lay dead in the Wyoming sun. There is nothing explanatory about that. And a few days before that people called the police on him for hitting her!

I respectfully disagree. I can think of a few ways to explain it away. Sure, it’ll be difficult but it can be spun to make sense. At least from what’s been made public so far. But that’s what an attorney is hired to do. Make it make sense for the jury. Will they believe it? Doubtful. The public has pretty much decided he’s guilty anyway. /JMO

 

[TotusTuus]

Brian had a head start of a few days. I think where ever he is right now (dead, camping, in an abandoned house, or down someone's basement) he is stationary. He's not moving or else he would have been caught with all the media attention.

If he is an experienced long distance hiker as one of Gabby's friends said, he could easily be 50 yards off a trail anywhere and be able to hang out for months. You could pass right by him and never know he was there. He had the time to prepare and supply to make this happen. MOO

As many of us have been saying for a while now, he is not hiding in Carlton Reserve and he never was. The conditions there are not survivable for this long and it's ridiculous how insistent some people are that he's in there just happily "gathering berries and drinking rainwater" in a fetid, flooded swamp for the third straight week.

My bet is that he's done a lot to change his appearance and he's on the Appalachian Trail.

 

[Skigirl]

Circumstantial evidence only, with plenty of other plausible scenarios make it difficult to get a conviction. Reasonable doubt is legally required to be considered. Some alternative explanations were truly incredulous and statistically implausible ( Laci Peterson). Some had to be taken heavily into consideration(Lauren Spierer-no charges even filed, Casey Anthony).

IMO, the dangers of being alone in a campsite, especially a female, are up there. She was left alone, as two people have positively IDed BL walking alone in the wild.

I don't agree with this. For one, we don't know what LE has, but for two, his bizarre behavior after the fact and documented instances of him behaving strangely right before she died, coupled with stealing her ATM card, make this pretty likely to get a conviction in my book. We also don't know what else FBI has. We shall see.

 

[SouthAussie]

Glad you brought this up

I've not seen any evidence the family purchased "groceries" or a delivery, just the milk.

Did BL's family stock up on food prior to his disappearance?
Does the family keep a stock pile of food, as a general rule?

Doesn't seem like normal behavior, to me.

JMHO

Groceries delivered to the home of Brian Laundrie's Parents | Daily Mail Online

 

[dtowndetective411]

Anyone ever read the ProPublica articles about this stuff?

Quoted from The Real 'CSI': How America’s Patchwork System of Death Investigations Puts the Living at Risk — ProPublica

More than 1 in 5 physicians working in the country's busiest morgues -- including the chief medical examiner of Washington, D.C. -- are not board certified in forensic pathology, the branch of medicine focused on the mechanics of death, our investigation found. Experts say such certification ensures that doctors have at least a basic understanding of the science, and it should be required for practitioners employed by coroner and medical examiner offices.

Yet, because of an extreme shortage of forensic pathologists -- the country has fewer than half the specialists it needs, a 2009 report by the National Academy of Sciences concluded -- even physicians who flunk their board exams find jobs in the field. Uncertified doctors who have failed the exam are employed by county offices in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and California, officials in those states acknowledged. Two of the six doctors in Arkansas' state medical examiner's office have failed the test, according to the agency's top doctor.

In many places, the person tasked with making the official ruling on how people die isn't a doctor at all. In nearly 1,600 counties across the country, elected or appointed coroners who may have no qualifications beyond a high-school degree have the final say on whether fatalities are homicides, suicides, accidents or the result of natural or undetermined causes.

It is worth reading the full article and full series when you have time, to understand the system across the US….

Full series: Post Mortem — ProPublica

Also, from NYTIMES re: Wyoming: Piled Bodies, Overflowing Morgues: Inside America’s Autopsy Crisis (Published 2020)

There are coverage deserts, huge (mostly rural) parts of America that lack ready access to autopsies or trained death investigators. For a month in 2015, anyone who died in Montana had to be transported to South Dakota or Washington if an autopsy was needed; in Wyoming, bodies often have to cross state lines because there are no forensic pathologists nearby.

ETA: I’m not sure if this is relevant to this case; I’m sure they have a qualified person on this high-profile case. But it’s concerning that not every death receives the same treatment. And something to remember whenever we discuss autopsies.

ETA: thank you to @Which_pancake for finding the information about Gabby’s Forensic Pathologist: [URL="https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/wy-gabrielle-%E2%80%98gabby%E2%80%99-petito-22-grand-teton-national-park-25-aug-2021-38.590219/page-13#post-17134466"]WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #38[/URL]

 

[Which_pancake]

Concerning to me is that in Wyoming you do not have to be a Pathologist to be coroner. Dr. Brent Blue, according to his office website is a Family General Medicine Physician! I can find no information that any forensic Pathologist has been involved!

I am sure I remember reading at the time that a pathologist from some other town in Wyoming would be coming in to participate in the autopsy, but of course now I cannot find the story. I will update if I ever do find it.

EDIT: here is something from the media thread: Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 8/25/21 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE No discussion*

Update on body found at Wyoming’s Grand Teton National Park
The Teton County Coroner’s Office tells Fox News' Jeremy Copas that the autopsy on the body found Sunday that is believed to be Gabby Petito will be conducted tomorrow. The office is bringing in a forensic pathologist from Sheridan, Wyoming, about 360 miles east.