Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #38

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they can’t even leave the house for milk
They literally left their house for milk. They also left their house for Orlando. They can do whatever they want, and go wherever they want.
Although it seems obvious who is the most likely person responsible for this... LE can afford to be patient. I think the missing piece that is holding up a charge is closing down the argument that "I left for a few days to hike alone, came back, she was dead or missing, I freaked out and drove home because I knew nobody would believe me" They can't fix the time of death and they can't place him there. They get one shot to nail him and they don't need to rush.

On the other hand, there is a potential murderer on the loose, which puts the public in danger.
 
Concerning to me is that in Wyoming you do not have to be a Pathologist to be coroner. Dr. Brent Blue, according to his office website is a Family General Medicine Physician! I can find no information that any forensic Pathologist has been involved!
Anyone ever read the ProPublica articles about this stuff?

Quoted from The Real 'CSI': How America’s Patchwork System of Death Investigations Puts the Living at Risk — ProPublica

More than 1 in 5 physicians working in the country's busiest morgues -- including the chief medical examiner of Washington, D.C. -- are not board certified in forensic pathology, the branch of medicine focused on the mechanics of death, our investigation found. Experts say such certification ensures that doctors have at least a basic understanding of the science, and it should be required for practitioners employed by coroner and medical examiner offices.

Yet, because of an extreme shortage of forensic pathologists -- the country has fewer than half the specialists it needs, a 2009 report by the National Academy of Sciences concluded -- even physicians who flunk their board exams find jobs in the field. Uncertified doctors who have failed the exam are employed by county offices in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and California, officials in those states acknowledged. Two of the six doctors in Arkansas' state medical examiner's office have failed the test, according to the agency's top doctor.

In many places, the person tasked with making the official ruling on how people die isn't a doctor at all. In nearly 1,600 counties across the country, elected or appointed coroners who may have no qualifications beyond a high-school degree have the final say on whether fatalities are homicides, suicides, accidents or the result of natural or undetermined causes.

It is worth reading the full article and full series when you have time, to understand the system across the US….

Full series: Post Mortem — ProPublica

ETA: I’m not sure if this is relevant to this case; I’m sure they have a qualified person on this high-profile case. But it’s concerning that not every death receives the same treatment. And something to remember whenever we discuss autopsies.

ETA: thank you to @Which_pancake for finding the information about Gabby’s Forensic Pathologist: [URL="https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/wy-gabrielle-%E2%80%98gabby%E2%80%99-petito-22-grand-teton-national-park-25-aug-2021-38.590219/page-13#post-17134466"]WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #38[/URL]
 
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This is where time of death will help - hopefully. Unless the window of time is so great that it puts BL walking alone and trying to hitchhike.

We just don’t know. So much time had passed before her body was found. But the sightings do give LE some window. They seem confident enough that she was dead when BL used her ATM card to file those charges. Or they might just not care if those charges thrown out. They are likely proceeding very carefully with homicide charges so they do not get compromised by technical mistakes
 
They are following attorney’s advice, most likely.

If they believe he is in that Reserve, not smart for them to go there. LE would not want them out there looking either and have likely told them so. They would be a distraction.
Or if they’ve had no contact with him since he “went on a hike” a few weeks ago, they would possibly bribe him out. But mommy and daddy dearest can’t be bothered. But they can go to Orlandoooooooo!
 
I disagree that BL's parents are doing what many would do if their child were involved in this situation. The current situation is that their child is missing, and that he is the primary suspect in GP's death. I would think most parents would be doing everything in their power to help find their son, including public pleas.

Their actions are extremely suspect, IMO.
I think the parents did what many of us would do at first - have your child come home where you can see them and protect them. But when the truth came out, or at least when you realized Gabby was missing and her parents were frantic, would most of us have called a lawyer? YES! But when that lawyer told us to go dark and not communicate with GP's family to help find her? Nah. I think then most of us would have a new lawyer turn him in and we'd join the Petito's in the search.
 
I mean I use grocery delivery quite often because since this pandemic started and I worked 5 days a week and was verbally abused by rude people during it, I don’t like to leave my house anymore now that I’m not working and being a full time care giver for my blind dad.

but my son is also not federally wanted by the FBI. But yeah, they’re not doing what a normal parent would do. Making them look guilty as well
sure, that sounds easy enough but his parents might not be the tech savy type. not everyone their age is and/or wants to be. /JMO
 
Circumstantial evidence only, with plenty of other plausible scenarios make it difficult to get a conviction. Reasonable doubt is legally required to be considered. Some alternative explanations were truly incredulous and statistically implausible ( Laci Peterson). Some had to be taken heavily into consideration(Lauren Spierer-no charges even filed, Casey Anthony).

IMO, the dangers of being alone in a campsite, especially a female, are up there. She was left alone, as two people have positively IDed BL walking alone in the wild.

circumstantial evidence is still evidence and a guilty verdict can be achieved

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They literally left their house for milk. They also left their house for Orlando. They can do whatever they want, and go wherever they want.


On the other hand, there is a potential murderer on the loose, which puts the public in danger.
The point was they were harassed for doing so. It was milk. A necessity for some. And yet people harassed them his father like he had no right to leave his house for it.
 
I wonder if his parents have already resolved that he is deceased and are grieving privately. That acceptance may be somewhat of a relief to them. They know that they are under suspicion for their behavior and lack thereof, but if Brian is never found and they never make statements, they may keep themselves off the hook for participating in assisting him. It's convoluted, but not an impossibility. They could be mourning his demise and still find some relief in it. JMO
 
My God that is alarming.

Edit: in response to the post that explains how a lot of forensic pathologists aren’t qualified. Not sure why it didn’t quote.
 
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Or if they’ve had no contact with him since he “went on a hike” a few weeks ago, they would possibly bribe him out. But mommy and daddy dearest can’t be bothered. But they can go to Orlandoooooooo!
They likely paid plenty (in money as well as stress ) to make that trip and get face to face advice from attorney.

Most of us would not know what to do in this situation and the attorney is their best protection. A lot of stuff they coulda shoulda done wouldn’t have helped them one bit in their predicament. People and press still would be on them.
MOO, they do not know where he went and where he is. They told LE the truth in this regard. I think they will not tell truth as to what BL told them however which caused them to get a lawyer.
 
circumstantial evidence is still evidence and a guilty verdict can be achieved

mark redwine
Patrick frazee
Donthe Lucas

Yes, it can. I said so. Have an example. But it does make a conviction or even a accusation more difficult when all one has is circumstantial evidence and there are reasonable explanations out there
 
They likely paid plenty (in money as well as stress ) to make that trip and get face to face advice from attorney.

Most of us would not know what to do in this situation and the attorney is their best protection. A lot of stuff they coulda shoulda done wouldn’t have helped them one bit in their predicament. People and press still would be on them.
MOO, they do not know where he went and where he is. They told LE the truth in this regard. I think they will not tell truth as to what BL told them however which caused them to get a lawyer.
He went camping with them and never came home lol nobody saw him at the house after the camping trip from what I remember. IMO. Therefore it seems they took him somewhere and hid him. He wasn’t there when the police showed up for the van and to talk to him, they said talk to my lawyer and slammed the door. Yeah, he’s (they’re) innocent, right? I’d let them search and do whatever they wanted if I knew my son wasn’t involved. And the mere fact that they did not return the Petito/Schmidt texts or calls is alarming to me!
 
Although it seems obvious who is the most likely person responsible for this... LE can afford to be patient. I think the missing piece that is holding up a charge is closing down the argument that "I left for a few days to hike alone, came back, she was dead or missing, I freaked out and drove home because I knew nobody would believe me" They can't fix the time of death and they can't place him there. They get one shot to nail him and they don't need to rush.

That's what I think the story will be...except that she was missing, not dead and depending on how far the body was from the place where the van was parked. I've seen approximately 200 yards, but don't know for sure. I also don't know how long it took LE to find the body once they started looking in the right place. The longer it took, the more plausible the alternate explanation would be.
 
Circumstantial evidence only, with plenty of other plausible scenarios make it difficult to get a conviction. Reasonable doubt is legally required to be considered. Some alternative explanations were truly incredulous and statistically implausible ( Laci Peterson). Some had to be taken heavily into consideration(Lauren Spierer-no charges even filed, Casey Anthony).

IMO, the dangers of being alone in a campsite, especially a female, are up there. She was left alone, as two people have positively IDed BL walking alone in the wild.

This is where time of death will help - hopefully. Unless the window of time is so great that it puts BL walking alone and trying to hitchhike.
 
I apologize if the following has already been discussed, as these threads move very fast.

News articles have reported that, after BL returned home alone, neighbors witnessed BL’s family attach a camper to their truck, pack it up, and leave for the weekend.

Most importantly, the article states the following.

[The neighbor] added he found it odd that the parents would go off on a camping trip with their 23-year old son in such a small camper.

Has there been any report of witnesses seeing the family unpack the camper upon their return? I am now wondering whether the family used this opportunity to pack up supplies and set up a “bug-out” location for BL in case he had to go on the lam. MOO.

Laundrie's Florida neighbors say family appeared to go 'camping' after boyfriend returned from Wyoming
 
Yes, it can. I said so. Have an example. But it does make a conviction or even a accusation more difficult when all one has is circumstantial evidence and there are reasonable explanations out there
There is no reasonable explanation here. Gabby was with him, Gabby was found dead, before she was found he left her there, stole her bank cards and stole her van. While she lay dead in the Wyoming sun. There is nothing explanatory about that. And a few days before that people called the police on him for hitting her!
 
This article is from Friday but I don't recall seeing these quotes by Gabby's friend Rose discussed here.


Gabby Petito's Best Friend Says Brian Laundrie Had 'Jealousy Issues': 'Toxic Relationship'

"I tried not to judge their relationship, but I knew something was off," Davis explains. "I just, I didn't expect this, obviously. I just thought he was just controlling. And bit by bit, she was almost... The more we were hanging out, and the more she was away from [the relationship], the more she got comfortable and was getting into her own skin and then, she started working."

... Petito had been working 50 hours a week at a local Taco Bell prior to the couple's trek, which began in early July. She says Laundrie did not want Petito working, after the two had quit their jobs at a nearby Publix with the pandemic's onset.

"He could keep an eye on her at Publix," Davis says. "He didn't want her to work, and she did. And he was mad about it. And he always tried to get what he wanted and he did, because he wanted the van life and he rushed to that so that she wasn't going to be able to work anymore."
 
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