Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #44

[Angels Advocate]

That makes me uneasy as I feel like it goes against what @NCWatcher said about how confidentiality is important to patient-provider trust and openness and therapeutic effect. Question: can lawyers be subpoenaed or called to testify (not in a case they are trying but against their own prior clients)? I feel like the rule of confidentiality — in regards to being allowed to subpoena private information shared in a private, confidential meeting with a paying client — should be the same for medical or mental health professionals as legal professionals.

Like, I get it. I get why it’s important. But it just seems to me like a sticky spot IMO

Of course, there is likely tons of legal precedent and experts who’ve argued this and decided on the rules as they are and I trust their judgement over mine!

The only thing a therapist or other medical provider has is a right against personal self-incrimination - 5th Amendment. Courts have a right to everything else. Some records can be sealed, for example in the case of a minor, however. There are few exceptions.

Didn't they do that with Jodi Arias?

I didn’t follow that case.

 

[TinyT14]

https://twitter.com/BrianEntin
FBI at the house

Looks like they took something out of the camper, they believe is was some form of a cooler. We have no idea what was in the brown paper bags, and the parents are still inside, their Lawyer has not arrived yet. More updates of the footaged captured will be on NewsNation tonight.

 

[bestill]

This is a good development. Obviously FBI has something specific they are checking or verifying. Hope the L's are shaking in their boots.

 

[MLaps]

It's baffling to me that this was the first time they even looked at the camper...I guess that is telling that they didn't have information about them all going camping right before he disappeared. JMO

Josh Benson on WFLA just stated in the live broadcast that it was the first time since the FBI showed up that day and confiscated things.

 

[wnk]

I was out of town for a few days, so I didn't get a chance to update the Google Map until this morning -- besides the De Soto Park campsite, were there any other new locations that need updated?

 

[Kristin Esq.]

The lady FBI with cami bag looked like their were sealed boxes on top. Test kits?just speculating

Is there picture of this? I missed it.

 

[NCWatcher]

Can therapists or psychologists be subpoenaed or have to take the stand? Or does the full scope of confidentiality prevent that? (Referring to a *past* admission, not a duty to warn about future dangerous crimes). Would love both yours and @HoneySugar input!

Good question but pretty complicated.

Generally a psychologist has an ethical obligation to attempt to legally resist a subpoena unless the client has requested the psychologist testify on his/her behalf. And even then, it's important the client understand it's an "all or nothing" situation. For example, a client might want a psychologist to testify at a custody hearing about sessions that have focused on parenting skill development. But if asked, the testifying psychologist would have to answer questions about the client's substance abuse struggles. So IF BL did have a psychologist, and he did ask him/her to testify, it would be all or nothing in the same way.

Note I said "legally resist" above. The first step for a psychologist receiving a subpoena is to talk to an attorney. State laws vary and laws change. So sound current advice is needed. (Most trials will be state level.)

Rarely (IME) would a prosecutor attempt to get a psychologist to testify a client confessed to a crime. That's just not the way things go and probably wouldn't be allowed because it's hearsay. But if court-ordered to provide records or to testify, then most psychologists would comply. Some wouldn't and would face a contempt charge.

The following link is for training but has more info for those who are interested. I'm afraid to say more for fear of being off topic!

Protecting patient privacy when the court calls

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

From Laundrie lawyer:

The FBI is at the Laundrie home today to collect some personal items belonging to Brian that will assist the canines in their search for Brian. There is nothing more to this.

https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1443633274761453569?s=21

 

[JuneRose]

here is my guess on what might be the reason for the FBI to visit, they dont usually bring evidense back anywhere till the investigation is complete. i think maybe they found something at the reserve and they wanted the Laundries to identify it and if it was a phone maybe they wanted to know if they though it was the one that they bought BL and so maybe the paperwork to the phone was in the camper so they went to get it, could have been anything at this point.

 

[Gardenista]

Here's what they carried out

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I would love a link.

 

[Waddles]

https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1443633274761453569?s=21
“From Laundrie lawyer:

The FBI is at the Laundrie home today to collect some personal items belonging to Brian that will assist the canines in their search for Brian. There is nothing more to this”

 

[SuziQ]

It's baffling to me that this was the first time they even looked at the camper...I guess that is telling that they didn't have information about them all going camping right before he disappeared. JMO

Iirc they did look when they spent 4 hours at the house.

 

[MLaps]

From Laundrie lawyer:

The FBI is at the Laundrie home today to collect some personal items belonging to Brian that will assist the canines in their search for Brian. There is nothing more to this.
https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1443633274761453569?s=21
https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1443633274761453569?s=21

Not sure how much I can believe this guy at this point.

 

[Tealgrove]

Brian Entin said during his live stream just now that the camper was searched previously when the BIG search happened.

This is NOT the first time FBI looked in the camper.

The pressure is on and FBI is turning up the heat.

 

[Kristin Esq.]

They were collecting items to assist the canines with the search:

https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/stat...9?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

 

[Cindizzi]

From Laundrie lawyer:

The FBI is at the Laundrie home today to collect some personal items belonging to Brian that will assist the canines in their search for Brian. There is nothing more to this.
https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1443633274761453569?s=21

 

[nocommoncents]

IIRC during the 48 Hours interview, her mom couldnt discuss the last conversation with her daughter - I was confused about this because I originally remember hearing that the last text she received was the one about Yosemite - So I thought that maybe since that originally came out, and the timing of the interview she was told not to discuss it (although seeing it was already out seems odd in MOO). Now I am thinking maybe she did facetime with her or something on the 30th to say that she was going to be coming home (since her mom said she knew she would be on her way back...) maybe?



August 30th 7:30 am to September 1st 10:30 am (51 hours) is doable if you make minimal stops. It takes roughly 34 hours to drive from Grand Teton back to FL.

Especially if you are trying to get there fast.

MOO

I don't think we disagreed here. We both said it's doable under these very strict conditions.

 

[wasnt_me]

From Laundrie lawyer:

The FBI is at the Laundrie home today to collect some personal items belonging to Brian that will assist the canines in their search for Brian. There is nothing more to this.
https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1443633274761453569?s=21
https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1443633274761453569?s=21

So the cooler bag was in the brown bag, I am guessing?

 

[SDFinColo]

From Laundrie lawyer:

The FBI is at the Laundrie home today to collect some personal items belonging to Brian that will assist the canines in their search for Brian. There is nothing more to this.
https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1443633274761453569?s=21

Maybe that's all there is and maybe not. The BL lawyer isn't exactly a trustworthy source of information. MOO