Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #63

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I thought he was supposed to stay neutral, but he has formed his opinion regarding who he thinks killed Gabby. The problem is, when did he form that opinion--before, after, or during the autopsy? I understood him to say that the cause of death was not easy to determine and they spent a good bit of time to fond it to be strangulation. His mindset of DV could possibly be considered a "contaminant", IMO.
The autopsy was very detailed and thorough; I think others here have posted about the procedures and professionals involved -- maybe someone else knows where that was. The full autopsy report will be based on evidence, not on someone's opinion.

But sure, if BL is captured and goes to trial, the defense may try to advance the argument you have made to discount the results of the autopsy.

JMO
 
I didn't send you anything.
The imprint of a tent was beside her body, the remains of a campfire, her parents stated this in the Part2 Doc Phil interview.
I wonder if he packed up the tent right away and headed off walking.
I also wonder if he realised , somewhere along the road that he had left significant evidence back at the scene of her death and had to return in order to get it?
That's just meandering thoughts from me , based on nothing but speculation on the hitchiking trips he took.
He was so desperate to get it, he offered somebody $200, just for a ride? Was he panicking at that point?

I know me and you talk a few times on here, so I thought it may have been you. Hmmm I wonder who it was, I'll have to search. It was a good layout of the van, and the crime scene, then her body. It's a good possibility he returned back there and gathered more stuff up. Who knows. I'm sure his mind was in utter chaos (as it should be). Those 2 hitchhiking trips sure were strange. The first one commented how clean he was, I wonder how he got into town to shower? MOO
 
What about skin and blood under her fingernails?

My bf and I were pondering what would someone who is being strangled do, at first I thought personally I would scratch at the face but no, because actually I’d be shocked and really only have time to hold on to the arms of the person strangling to try and pull them away and really not much else… Maybe just maybe GP managed to hook a nail into his arm and leave a few scratches therefore, his blood under her nails. All my own opinion and thoughts as always

I agree about DNA under the nails, but remember they were engaged - or at least in a relationship - so any attorney for BL is going to explain that away with that and the fact that they were in a Van for months together. (At least that's what I would start to argue.) MOO
 
So, does anyone know when the helicopter flew over if there were already people on the ground in the area? I am making the assumption they were. If that is the case, they very easily covered her with a blanket out of respect. Thus, Gabby was not found covered with a blanket. IMO
Thus, we don't know whether she was or not when she was found originally. SAR teams do not go near a body.
 
I posted a video earlier about an Attorney speaking on this. It's Federal land so it most likely will be handled by the Federal prosecutors. The state prosecutors can fight to handle it, but it's not likely they will win against the Feds.


about 3:15 in if anyone is interested.

BBM
Gabby Petito's body was found 'a five-minute walk from her and Brian Laundrie's van' | Daily Mail Online

"It wasn't far from the van. It was a five minute walk," Petito's mother, Nichole Schmidt echoed.
Her remains were found in an area of dispersed campgrounds on the borderline of Bridger-Teton National Forest, about 40 feet away from where Grand Teton National Park begins. Jim left a stone cross and flowers in the exact location where she was found.

Out of curiosity I had to look this up & see for myself.

*Note
1) A pin is placed at the exact location Gabby's body was found to get my bearings.
2) GTNP = Orange
3) Bridger-Teton National Forrest = Green

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1) Satellite
2) Map Default
3) Zoomed Out Map Default of the area.

She was indeed found inside the Bridger-Teton National Forest.
The van was further away from the border than where her body was found.
Some have speculated that perhaps she was murdered in GTNP than her body was moved to where she was found. I disagree.
Imo, I don't think her body was ever inside GTNP regarding TOD or the moments prior.
 

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I could definitely see this as the type of place he would want to go. I don't know much about these types of farms and how out of touch or off the grid they are. The way this case has gone - anything is possible!
I had never heard of WWOOF until now. IMO I don’t think BL could have made it back out West and blended in doing this.

World Wide Opportunities on Organic Farms | WWOOF

Here’s how he explained to the officer at the Moab stop ( from the transcript) :

Brian Laundrie: (20:15)
It’s a worldwide outfit. Three weeks on an organic farm so it’s like a volunteer working type of situation where you can work on organic farms. That’s our goal once we get over to Washington. We’ll do that from Washington, moving down into Oregon and then down into California. We’re trying to go from [inaudible 00:20:15] What part of California did you say?

Gabby Petito & Brian Laundrie Utah Bodycam Footage Transcript Before Disappearance

Remember when the Lawyer SB said that BL flew home to get some things because they were going to extend their trip? Wonder if BL wanted to do this but perhaps GP did not.
 
Then why did he refuse to say that at his press conference? Why were his answers about limitations from WY statutes then but not on CNN?

I agree (as you put it) "sometimes you have to just let things go." Although I haven't said so I've thought that about a few issues that are constantly rehashed here. One difference though is Blue's two media appearances were yesterday, not last month or the month before.
JMO

I mean… sometimes you have to be able to listen to the words said and connect the dots. If you listen well and think critically you’ll hear all the answers.

He said at the press conference that she was strangled. One of the reporters asked if it was obvious right away that she was strangled. Dr . Blue said “nothing here is obvious” or something along those lines (paraphrasing not direct quotes here). That led me to think that there wasn’t a rope or scarf or something around her neck.

Which tells me a person did it with their hands. Sure there are other parts of their they can use but my critical thinking skills make me go to the most obvious and easiest approach which is his hands. And paired with “manual strangulation” on the document filed, there really isn’t much to pick apart here. I don’t like when people question how I do my job or pick apart everything I say, so I’m not going to do it to this guy. I’m done with this topic.
 
I know me and you talk a few times on here, so I thought it may have been you. Hmmm I wonder who it was, I'll have to search. It was a good layout of the van, and the crime scene, then her body. It's a good possibility he returned back there and gathered more stuff up. Who knows. I'm sure his mind was in utter chaos (as it should be). Those 2 hitchhiking trips sure were strange. The first one commented how clean he was, I wonder how he got into town to shower? MOO
He was camped beside water, her vehicle was parked beside water, no need to travel for a wash.
 
I do not like how the L family has conducted itself throughout this case. I do not pity them for the media and protester circus they now inhabit as their actions, or lack thereof, have helped create those situations. MOO

I am also not a fan of their family attorney friend.

That said, sometimes mowing the lawn is just that. I don't find it offensive that Mr. L would mow his lawn. JMO
Just imagine the wailing if they went out for an ice cream cone. jmo
 
Even if Gabby had Brian's blood under her nails, I truly expect the defense to excuse it away as rough sex or blood play (don't look it up).
After the Mollie Tibetts and Kelsey Berreth (no body) trials, I'm amazed at the technology...cell phone tracking, video, DNA testing.

If they find BL, I'm convinced he will be convicted. I think BL will not be found. He had time to secure a fake ID, credentials, prepare a plan and excute his escape, all while NPPD tried to decide if a crime was committed.
Moo
 
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I agree about DNA under the nails, but remember they were engaged - or at least in a relationship - so any attorney for BL is going to explain that away with that and the fact that they were in a Van for months together. (At least that's what I would start to argue.) MOO

It's not just normal skin under the nails when it's defensive. It's deeper particles like the blood, fat, deeper layer of skin (I can't remember the name of it) that wouldn't be there by just living or being around someone.
 
Respectfully disagree. Research shows that it is needed.

From Dr. Richards, who worked at New Scotland Yard (BBM)
"Additionally, non-fatal strangulation will become a crime. Too often I have seen attacks on women who were almost killed categorised as common assault by police. Strangulation is a high risk factor to serious harm and femicide. We know from research that strangulation increases the harm of femicide sevenfold."

Strangulation is considered a crime when the victim died. But if there was no death? Even after repeated attempts at strangling? It's usually considered a much lower offence (assault charges instead of attempted murder), which allow the abuser to continue abusing.

Btw here is Richard's cv:
After a decade of analysing violent crime at New Scotland Yard Laura became the violence adviser to the National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC). Trained by world leaders as a criminal behavioural analyst at the Behavioural Analysis Unit, National Centre for the Analysis of Violent Crime at the FBI and New Scotland Yard, Laura has applied her psychology degrees to analyse violent crime from a behavioural and preventative perspective.

Oh, I'm sorry - I wasn't speaking about the social need for it.

Only the legal need. People are charged with assault or murder in places with no specific statute for strangulation (which was part of the conversation in the post I responded to).

Passing extra laws is fine. However, here in California, a man who puts his hands on a woman's throat and even leaves pink marks will go to jail. Even if he's a policeman himself. Of course, the woman or her family have to call the police, which is a separate problem.

But DV is treated with zero tolerance where I live. My main research in the past 5 years has been jail based. DV is by far the most common reason men (and some women) are in jail. Sometimes there's no physical damage recorded at all (broken door frames, etc)

We don't have separate statutes for each form of possible violence, but the zero tolerance policy (with no requirement whatsoever for the victim to follow through with testimony or prosecution ) is definitely helping.

I don't think I've ever seen an assault on a woman where I live that wasn't categorized as DV if the assailant lived in her household or she had a prior intimate relationship with the man. It's always DV (and usually double charges). Sounds like Britain may be different.

Since these policies and laws went through (I spent years working to train LE and teaching at a major police academy, no the topics of DV and gender discrimination/harassment/bias, as well as LGBQT rights), we have seen a decrease in second offenses in my county (less recidivism) but more arrests of women.

For a while, the sociologist I was working with worried that woman would "catch up" in terms of DV offenses (since, like men, they are being arrested if there are any marks at all on their partner). We do not do this with other crimes, btw (automatic arrest and detention). But, it has leveled off and thankfully, COVID hasn't made much of a difference - in fact, it seems we have had slightly less violent crime in my city.

At any. rate, passing strict DV laws has helped - but so far, no one in Sacramento seems to think we need a separate statute for strangulation.
 
I think his wording was 'it was his assumption' . I agree, he should not have said anything at all (nor should he have held a press conference when a press release would have done).
Seems to me that an important element of Blue's so-called "opinion" would be upon what information did he based that opinion.
 
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The autopsy was very detailed and thorough; I think others here have posted about the procedures and professionals involved -- maybe someone else knows where that was. The autopsy report will be based on evidence, not on someone's opinion. But sure, if BL is captured and goes to trial, the defense may try to advance the argument you have made to somehow discount the results of the autopsy.

JMO

I had this very question yesterday on whether it will discount the results of the autopsy. I agree with you that regardless of what he says or thinks, the autopsy is forensic analysis. It's not just his words but there are going to be pictures and proof of what he reported. Maybe even a few other personnel who were in there. Toxicology reports, weight of the heart/brain or the bones on the neck aren't going change because of his opinion.
 
BBM

If he's ever found I think this will be his defense/story.

He doesn’t have to have a defense or story. His lawyer can bring up other reasonable possibilities. Up to the jury as to whether those possibilities are reasonable. Many a criminal has been acquitted because of reasonable doubt.
 
I didn't send you anything.
The imprint of a tent was beside her body, the remains of a campfire, her parents stated this in the Part2 Doc Phil interview.
I wonder if he packed up the tent right away and headed off walking.
I also wonder if he realised , somewhere along the road that he had left significant evidence back at the scene of her death and had to return in order to get it?
That's just meandering thoughts from me , based on nothing but speculation on the hitchiking trips he took.
He was so desperate to get it, he offered somebody $200, just for a ride? Was he panicking at that point?
Tent imprints can last a long time, like years, if they get used often enough, because bodies put dents in the ground. And someone could have put one there in the week before BL and GP got there. No telling. I wouldn't consider that evidence.
Fire sites last 'til the end of time. Permanent. (I know because the National Park once had me "cleaning up" fire sites. No matter what I did, they couldn't be entirely erased.)
I don't believe they ever camped on that site. IMO a forensic specialist would have to speak to that.

Pro tip: If you camp in the wild and want to leave no trace (standard these days): a) don't build any fire, but use a stove; yep, no campfires as a rule; if there's plenty of fuel around that you wouldn't be taking from creatures (rarely is this the case), use an existing fire spot; and b) do what you can to restore the ground where your tent was. I often do that by scuffing with my feet and sprinkling ground debris. There should be no sign I was there.
Leave no Trace ethics are here: The Leave No Trace Story - Leave No Trace Center for Outdoor Ethics
 
It's not just normal skin under the nails when it's defensive. It's deeper particles like the blood, fat, deeper layer of skin (I can't remember the name of it) that wouldn't be there by just living or being around someone.
How long were her fingernails at the time of strangulation? Would that be a factor?
 
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