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I’ve been following this case since the day after Janet was murdered and read all the media coverage that I could find. I was reading Mr. AG’s site which led me to this one. I’ve been lurking for over a month. I’ve been searching everyday for even just a tiny bit of information that says Raven didn’t do this. I do not want Raven to be a killer. The thought makes me sick to my stomach. I haven’t ever posted because I need to believe he is innocent and the little I know about him makes me question this. However, I know you all are just trying to find justice for Janet. So, keep up the good work & here goes nothing……..

Ok, here is what I know about Raven. I only met him through mutual friends, and we only hung out for a night. He was very charming and we all had lots of fun. I really liked him. He stayed in touch with my friend and even set them up with one of his friends. He used to work for HP before going to Eurosport so he is definitely computer savvy. Anyway, I would imagine it to be very difficult to sale computers and equipment if he wasn’t. It’s rumored that another one of his friends who also use to worked at HP was let go for suspicion of embezzlement and it was the same type of thing……..taking equipment and turning a personal profit. However if it is true, maybe Raven knew about it and knew that he was never arrested so he thought that he could get away with it. Who knows what Raven was thinking? I remember when he got the job with Eurosport and how excited he was to be working in the soccer industry. I also remember when he and Janet split and he said they were for sure getting a divorce. Then not too long after they decided to give it another go because she was pregnant. My friend has also told me that Raven said that he struggled with depression sometimes (don’t you love the he said that she said that he said????? Sorry).
I was completly shocked to read that his mother was/is a welfare mom because he went to one of the richest high schools in the sate of Utah. Only 8% of the students are on free or reduced lunches compared to the 23% state average. http://www.greatschools.net/modperl/other/ut/408 Also, there is really only one neighborhood that I can even imagine having state assisted housing in it (in school boundaries). I can understand his taste to live the good life; having gone to that same school. The homecoming queen is paraded around the football field riding in a convertible Porsche or some very expensive fancy vehicle owned by a parent of the student driving it. Kids get brand new top of the line cars to drive to school when they turn 16. Kids spend $400.00 on a casual dance. I would imagine it was very hard to watch his friends get all of these things and know he could never have them. And, I’m sure this all attributed to his financial down fall and why material things seem to be so important.

On the “Good Mormon” front, this might not just be someone that he pretends to be. Maybe the “Good Mormon” is the guy that he wishes to be. If he was making amends for the embezzlement & alledged affairs (on the spiritual side) he would definitely be feeling remorse because it’s part of the repentance process. My hat’s off to NCBanker who has done a wonderful job in keeping everyone informed and answering question about the LDS church. However, just a little clarification that many members don’t know. A Bishop is actually in charge of the welfare of all people that live within his ward boundaries members (active & inactive) and non-members alike. As members of the church we are like a family and we try to “bear one another’s burdens, that they may be light; mourn with those that mourn; and comfort those that stand in need of comfort”. http://scriptures.lds.org/query/marked?id=1120084020846 We are also taught to forgive all men their trespasses. And I’m sure this is why members of Raven’s ward were willing to help him despite the committed felony embezzlements (if they even had any knowledge at all). Sorry this is so very very long!! I should’ve piped up a long time ago.
 
Thanks for joining ItsMe. I posted a question for you under the Embezzelment thread. Thanks again for your thoughts and sharing what you know!
 
Hello everyone,

It has been awhile since my last post, and I haven't really made that many posts for that matter. I am just so personally linked to this case, I read up and follow along. I wish I was closer to N.C. so I could do more research.

Let me know if I can answer any questions for anyone.

Thanks;)
 
Where is the media attention on this case Reporter Girl? What was Raven wearing when he went to play soccer? Did he have a soccer bag? How long was he at the soccer game? Who saw him there? How did he act?

That's it for me right now, but I'll have more for sure

Justice for Janet!!!
 
Termi--

I wish there was more out there in the media, but I am not working this story, I grew up with Raven and his family and have known him for a very long time. I only know what I've read here and what I've heard from my family, and Raven's family really hasn't reached out to anyone in the neighborhood. They are staying very closed up about it all, which can you blame them?
 
reportergirl said:
Termi--

I wish there was more out there in the media, but I am not working this story, I grew up with Raven and his family and have known him for a very long time. I only know what I've read here and what I've heard from my family, and Raven's family really hasn't reached out to anyone in the neighborhood. They are staying very closed up about it all, which can you blame them?
...i know we're on the same side reportergirl.......

...and, yes i do "blame them", raven....his family..........if they are NOT reaching out in some way,.... let's presume they feel he's innocent, ( and he may be ) .......why are they NOT contacting media? NOT asking for help in some fashion ? NOT screaming from the rooftops looking for the killer ???NO-ONE is pounding the pavement asking for justice ?! NO-ONE is proclaiming raven's innocence?! why???????????NO-ONE is demanding answers of LE??

...THAT is what bothers me..................NO-ONE is supporting raven.........publicly.............does he, and his family, think that by silence this case.................a MURDER case...................will just go away ?
 
Lauriej-


Well, that's exactly what I think they're thinking. Often times when a family encounters something tramatic where there is a lot of speculation, the family closes up. It's not just to the media, from what my family has said, they are closing up to everyone.

I know firsthand that this is NOT the best way to handle things like this. If they don't give the media and public some kind of information, it leaves it up to the media to speculate, always worse than speaking for yourself. I don't know what to say. But, I can say, I've worked with a lot of families in tramatic situations and you either get one of two responses--closing up completely, or speaking out a lot.
 
I'm a long time lurker on this board. I have nothing to add - just waiting to see how or if things develop. I suppose when the DNA comes back ? the LE will either arrest the husband or completely exonerate him ? It's just a waiting game, now isn't it ?
Does he have a lawyer ? I gather he had one for the embezzlement charges...is it the same one he would have retained for the murder of his wife ? to protect his "rights" ?
 
btw, hi, Mars!!

I have to say that it makes me wonder, when I happen to be reading this thread at o'dark thirty at night, and there are 2, 3, 4 GUESTS reading the forum. It really makes me wonder WHO they are? Could it be the KILLER reading this? Could it be LE? If so, I hope we're giving them enough things to look at, if they haven't already. But really, WHO ARE THEY???? Guests? Speak up!
 
L L & S said:
Jess...........

lets have some coffee!!
I'm on my second cup !!! Where are you ?? Did you finally fall asleep ??


Good posts L L & S
This is such a perplexing case in which the LE seems to be taking a LONG time to get down to the nitty gritty. Perhaps Raven is innocent - but he sure isn't shouting it from the roof tops is he ? He sure isn't acting like a man who really cares what happened to his wife. More interested in'getting" on with his life ? Sheesh, if anything happened to me, I would hope my husband would show a little more concern.
 
Long morning already. Where's my cup of. Today is going to be a busy day, maybe we will get more news today.
 
terminatrixator said:
Long morning already. Where's my cup of. Today is going to be a busy day, maybe we will get more news today.

The only news today I want is his A$$ arrested.
 
You know how you can click on a name and it tells you when the member joined, etc.? What does it mean when you click on one and it tells you that you don't have permission to access the page??? And how is it possible that the same names for which that happens do not appear in the members list?
 
JerseyGirl said:
You know how you can click on a name and it tells you when the member joined, etc.? What does it mean when you click on one and it tells you that you don't have permission to access the page??? And how is it possible that the same names for which that happens do not appear in the members list?

Never fear, within 24 or so hours you have access.
 
Whenever I see this thread I feel like Glenda, the good witch (me? good bwaha) singing "Come out, Come out, where ever you are."
 

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