Gitano, I am one of your greatest admirers..always look for your excellent posts.
But frankly, if envy, greed, sloth, and laziness are now legal definitions of "mental illness"....we have jumped the shark to nonsense in our courtrooms. YO has not mentioned voices, or demons, or anything other than a litany of complaints about HER treatment after slaughtering two small children.
I understand your point that she must be "mentally ill" to act this way....I think this is the problem today. WHO CARES? She had perhaps no impulse control. I WILL NOT GIVE HER ONE EXCUSE.
She wanted to do this to the Krims. She did it. They will never fully recover. I do not care if she grows another head in jail...she did what she wanted to do. NOW PAY FOR IT. And, God willing, she will pay in a myriad of ways.
Thanks stmarysmead. I appreciate that! But I need to clarify. I do not believe that she must be mentally ill to act that way. I mean, then you could apply that standard to any crime, really and that's not my thought process. I think that, doing some admittedly amateur profiling, when looking at the MO's and the motivations of other criminals, her conduct does not fit with a totally cold-blooded, calculating and sane murder. I do not think she had impulse control problems. I'm not sure, really, why that's still confusing since I have repeatedly stated that I think this woman had control. I think she was in control of her actions. I believe that most mentally ill people are to some degree.
I'm just profiling her. Her crime does not fit the kind of calculated rage killing that we tend to see. It fits more with someone who became psychotic and failed to protect those around them from their psychosis, and allowed it to guide them.
I do not believe that envy, laziness, sloth, greed etc., are mental illness. I do not think this woman was lazy, or slothful or greedy. She may have been envious but I do not believe that was her motive.
We don't know that this woman has not mentioned voices or demons. We know only what the media has reported and according to some, they have made several errors. In fact, I know they have made errors. CBS was quoting the NY Post stating that she was demanding a lawyer and refusing to speak with LE. Well, she just got off intubation according to reports so I think that earlier report was likely very false (it smacked as b.s. to me anyhow).
I do believe this woman has made certain statements. I also think that LE is going to relay only what they choose to. The fact is, according to those who knew her, she had lost weight, was having issues and was going to seek or had sought psych help of some kind. Even her appearance had changed dramatically in the last weeks.
I am not giving her an excuse. I'm not one to, in general. In fact, I think most criminals trying to use the insanity defense are simply, evil. For example, I argued vigorously against the Colorado theater massacre creep being motivated by mental illness or psychotic at all. His planning was much too detailed and involved, he protected himself and his mass murder fits more into the profile, IMO, of the type of person who is a disgruntled narcissist who realizes that their fantasy of themselves is not and never will be substantiated by others, and who thus tell themselves there is nothing left to live for but they are going to "punish" as many people as they can before they take their own lives.
I try to use logic. This, IMO, does not fit the profile of someone who wanted revenge against their employer. And, a woman hacking at her own throat fits the psychosis profile, not the envy murder profile, IMO.
Again, I'm just trying to use logic.
Thus far, it appears to me that she was psychotic. Nevertheless, I can't give her much of a pass. I think if she was able to walk and to talk normally and to deviate from the schedule in order to carry out her plan, etc., then she was capable of controlling herself and not taking the lives of those innocent babies. I'm not sure how many times I have to say that!!!
And yes, in response to an earlier post of yours, it's hard to think of anything more horrific than two babies being stabbed to death by the woman paid to protect them. It is monstrous. But, I can. How about the torture-murder of Dylan Groene or the torture-murder of Lee Iseli?
In any event, I think this woman is a monster but I do not think she was motivated by greed or envy. Millions of people are greedy and envious in this world. Millions of people do not murder in such a manner that precludes any chance of getting away with it and then slash at their own necks so hard that the break their own vertebra.
Greedy and envious people generally think only of themselves and they will kill in a manner that they believe will allow them to get away with it. They try to cover it up. And they certainly do not want to end their own, "precious" lives.
Suicide just doesn't fit with envy or greed in a scenario like this. :twocents:
