ZFG Civil Case: Casey's Deposition #2

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Well, I have just learned the hard way how pervasive it is for people to claim things are facts that aren't, and to claim something was said by someone when it was really someone else, and on and on and on, so I am now going to try to be a lot more careful about what I take at face value.

I haven't looked into Z(maybe F, maybe not F)G's lawsuit at all, I just went by what was said by others, because I was too busy researching other things. However, I do know this lawsuit resulted in CA's infamous deposition, and so if for nothing else than that, I give Z(maybe F, maybe not F)G major kudos!!
 
True. And they were just itching to get at one of the TES volunteers.

And let's not forget the poor ex-con WRONG NUMBER dude whose name escapes me right now! These leeches would latch onto anything with a pulse. And even some things without one!!
 
I seem to recall that at one point, zg asked for a statement from fca that said she was not the supposed nanny and an apology. If fca would do that the lawsuit would be dropped. Fca couldn't even do that to show she would be responsible for her lies. I hope she wins this lawsuit big. Somebody has to holds fca accountable for her total lack of morals.
 
This sounds a little to me like "rape victims" who deserve it because they were wearing a short skirt and skimpy top and lipstick.
I take it further and ask if they think people w/ nice houses deserve to be robbed and people w/ nice cars deserve to be carjacked? which usually shuts 'em up
 
I am sad. I am sad that Casey Anthony has murdered her child and has not been held accountable for it. I am sad that Roy Kronk found Caylee's body and was accused by Casey's mouthpiece of being involved in the murder. I am sad that Amy H was put under suspicion by the Anthonys of having been the nanny in code speak. I am sad that Casey tried to imply that J Grund might be suspect. I am sad that Tim Miller was taken advantage of. I am sad that all of the volunteers were under so much suspicion that the state of FL paid for them to be contacted and possibly investigated. I am sad that the Anthony family has been collecting money because of Caylee's murder. I am sad that HHJP was rushed, short of funds and too worried about appealable issues. i am sad that there can be such a large group of immoral lawyers to gather together as a finger-flipping defense team. I am sad that 12 weak, disinterested and shallow people could be found to comprise this infamous jury. I am sad that it's considered okay, excusable and acceptable for parents to commit perjury with no repercussions.

So why, then, am I so surprised to discover that ZG has really not been legally harmed ~ but painted as a person who may be trying to out scam the champion scammer?

Every single thing surrounding this case is sad.
 
I also hope that Tim Miller gets a huge settlement. Zenida G. deserves much more than an apology!

:justice:
 
I am sad. I am sad that Casey Anthony has murdered her child and has not been held accountable for it. I am sad that Roy Kronk found Caylee's body and was accused by Casey's mouthpiece of being involved in the murder. I am sad that Amy H was put under suspicion by the Anthonys of having been the nanny in code speak. I am sad that Casey tried to imply that J Grund might be suspect. I am sad that Tim Miller was taken advantage of. I am sad that all of the volunteers were under so much suspicion that the state of FL paid for them to be contacted and possibly investigated. I am sad that the Anthony family has been collecting money because of Caylee's murder. I am sad that HHJP was rushed, short of funds and too worried about appealable issues. i am sad that there can be such a large group of immoral lawyers to gather together as a finger-flipping defense team. I am sad that 12 weak, disinterested and shallow people could be found to comprise this infamous jury. I am sad that it's considered okay, excusable and acceptable for parents to commit perjury with no repercussions.

So why, then, am I so surprised to discover that ZG has really not been legally harmed ~ but painted as a person who may be trying to out scam the champion scammer?

Every single thing surrounding this case is sad.
You have voiced my sentiments of late. This is ALL so sad.
 
I feel this way. If KC had come forward and said I saw that woman's picture and she is not ZFG. That should have been the end of it. But let's face it had ZG not gotten an attorney who knows where KC would have taken it. ZG stopped her right in her tracks with the lawsuit. Let's face it look at what they did to RK. Three long years of torture at the hands of the DT. Regardless of whatever anyone feels about ZG, or her past, she claims her children were harassed and she was threatened and feared for her and her children's safety. It is a mother's instinct to protect her child. Of course maybe KC's attorneys have been around her too much to consider that possibility. jmo

BBM. Very good point in my opinion. Not clearing her was deliberate. The more suspects (other than Casey) the merrier.

I think the case is weak but hope for a jury trial and award however small the amount.
 
And let's not forget the poor ex-con WRONG NUMBER dude whose name escapes me right now! These leeches would latch onto anything with a pulse. And even some things without one!!



:sheesh: I had forgotten about that until your post! IIRC, the guy was married to a local schoolteacher and that was all in the news. :frown:
 
Very easily. The judge can't just "kick" a case out of court--he/she has to wait for the right motion to be filed.

There was nothing released to suggest that Casey looked at apartments separately from Tony and his friend, or that she went to Sawgrass.

No, there was a website people were using to CHECK whether Zenaida Gonzalez was the name of someone who went to school with Casey, but little did anyone know that as soon as the first person typed the name into the search box, that name was listed on the website under "alumni of Colonial High." When we checked the REAL alumni website, as well as the actual yearbook, there was no such person at Casey's school.

BBM/

1. Re "nothing released to suggest Casey looked at apts separately," "or that she went to Sawgrass:"

True, we know of no evidence that she actually went apartment-hunting on her own. But per text messages and interviews released under discovery/Sunshine, Casey did make multiple statements to various people over a several-week period, that she was looking for an apartment and later on, looking for a house. Examples: She told Iassen D (not sure of the date) that she was looking for an apartment for her and Caylee. IIRC, June 16, 2008, she told Jesse G that she needed to find a place to live, as she was moving out of the A home.

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Casey's friends formerly lived in Unit 218 at Sawgrass, and it is a documented fact that she had visited there multiple times. Casey seemed pretty familiar with the complex IMO; her initial statement to LE on 7/15/08 mentions having last seen her daughter alive at the bottom of the stairs leading up to #210. In interviews with LE that night and the next day, she demonstrates more than a passing familiarity with Sawgrass, such as knowing the location and description of the nearby maintenance shed and the entrance/layout of the complex.

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It may be neither here nor there, but as we know, a classmate/acquaintance of Casey's, named KSR, was employed at Sawgrass.

From acandyrose.com:
Page 2417-2417: Katie Sue Robinson 07/24/2008 Interview RECAP: (**NEW)
- Katie Sue Robinson was contacted during area canvass of Saw Grass Apartments.
- Katie stated she had some mutual friends with Casey Anthony but only seen Caylee once in her life.
- Katie stated additional information could be obtained from mutual friends, "Jay Ferrell, Matthew Crisp, Victoria Alveron."
Page 2500-2500: Katie Sue Robinson Called 09/17/2008 by Cpl Eric Edwards: (**NEW)
- OCSO was called Katie Robinson regards to additional information she may have re: Sawgrass
- Katie Robinson agreed to come to OCSO 09/18/2008 10:00am but fail to show up.
Page 2501-2501: Katie Sue Robinson Called 09/25/2008 by Cpl Eric Edwards: (**NEW)
- Attempt to reschedule interview, Katie Robinson was unwilling to be interviewed.
- Katie Robinson stated Casey was good friend with Vicky Aleman and suggested LE contact her.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_recaps_112608docs(wesh).htm


Note: KSR was on the witness list, but was not called to testify at trial.

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From her own mouth, and under oath at that, Casey places herself at Sawgrass on multiple occasions. Yes, I know June 16, 2008 phone pings may disagree, but Casey's original story (told a month later, July 15/16) was that she dropped Caylee off with Zanny at Sawgrass "between 9 and 1," where she had dropped her off on previous occasions as well. Then, after returning later in the day to find them gone, she claimed to have sat on the steps at Sawgrass to wait. She places herself there on multiple previous occasions, and twice on the day Caylee allegedly disappeared from there.

Amazingly, the real Zenaida Gonzalez happened to really show up at Sawgrass less than 24 hours after Caylee's mother would later claim she went missing from there. Zenaida's personal details were recorded on a visitor card and she was accompanied to the demo unit directly downstairs from #210. And there we have the "coincidence" of the century, folks: The real Zenaida Gonzalez is known to have appeared, not merely at Sawgrass Apartments, but at the precise spot Casey would later identify as the place where she handed off Caylee to the "nanny" Zenaida Gonzalez, never to see either again. What are the odds?

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2. Re "there was no such person at Casey's school:"

Right, no Zenaida Gonzalez. But there was definitely a girl named Zenaida A----o in Casey's class (2003) at Colonial High School. And several Fernandezes and Gonzalezes.

Back in 2008, I saw and copied the 2003 and 2004 alumni lists on the CHS web site. They are saved on my PC, but I can't c/p here because the rich text formatting is all scrambled now, d/t a couple of hard-drive transfers since then. Unfortunately, a quick check at CHS's web site reveals that the alumni lists aren't there anymore, so I'm sorry not to be able to provide a link.

(P.S. In addition to a Zenaida, Casey's classmate list includes the names Jennifer, Rosa, Raquel, and Farrell (possible building blocks for names of the imaginary roommates of the imaginary nanny), as well as separate first/last names matching up with her imaginary "coworkers" and "bosses" at Universal used in the fake work emails, such as Cheryl, Frank, etc. Oh, and the names of Zanny's imaginary family members are there as well: Samantha, Victor, and Gloria.)
 
BBM/

1. Re "nothing released to suggest Casey looked at apts separately," "or that she went to Sawgrass:"

True, we know of no evidence that she actually went apartment-hunting on her own. But per text messages and interviews released under discovery/Sunshine, Casey did make multiple statements to various people over a several-week period, that she was looking for an apartment and later on, looking for a house. Examples: She told Iassen D (not sure of the date) that she was looking for an apartment for her and Caylee. IIRC, June 16, 2008, she told Jesse G that she needed to find a place to live, as she was moving out of the A home.

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Casey's friends formerly lived in Unit 218 at Sawgrass, and it is a documented fact that she had visited there multiple times. Casey seemed pretty familiar with the complex IMO; her initial statement to LE on 7/15/08 mentions having last seen her daughter alive at the bottom of the stairs leading up to #210. In interviews with LE that night and the next day, she demonstrates more than a passing familiarity with Sawgrass, such as knowing the location and description of the nearby maintenance shed and the entrance/layout of the complex.

--

It may be neither here nor there, but as we know, a classmate/acquaintance of Casey's, named KSR, was employed at Sawgrass.

From acandyrose.com:




http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_recaps_112608docs(wesh).htm


Note: KSR was on the witness list, but was not called to testify at trial.

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From her own mouth, and under oath at that, Casey places herself at Sawgrass on multiple occasions. Yes, I know June 16, 2008 phone pings may disagree, but Casey's original story (told a month later, July 15/16) was that she dropped Caylee off with Zanny at Sawgrass "between 9 and 1," where she had dropped her off on previous occasions as well. Then, after returning later in the day to find them gone, she claimed to have sat on the steps at Sawgrass to wait. She places herself there on multiple previous occasions, and twice on the day Caylee allegedly disappeared from there.

Amazingly, the real Zenaida Gonzalez happened to really show up at Sawgrass less than 24 hours after Caylee's mother would later claim she went missing from there. Zenaida's personal details were recorded on a visitor card and she was accompanied to the demo unit directly downstairs from #210. And there we have the "coincidence" of the century, folks: The real Zenaida Gonzalez is known to have appeared, not merely at Sawgrass Apartments, but at the precise spot Casey would later identify as the place where she handed off Caylee to the "nanny" Zenaida Gonzalez, never to see either again. What are the odds?

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2. Re "there was no such person at Casey's school:"

Right, no Zenaida Gonzalez. But there was definitely a girl named Zenaida A----o in Casey's class (2003) at Colonial High School. And several Fernandezes and Gonzalezes.

Back in 2008, I saw and copied the 2003 and 2004 alumni lists on the CHS web site. They are saved on my PC, but I can't c/p here because the rich text formatting is all scrambled now, d/t a couple of hard-drive transfers since then. Unfortunately, a quick check at CHS's web site reveals that the alumni lists aren't there anymore, so I'm sorry not to be able to provide a link.

(P.S. In addition to a Zenaida, Casey's classmate list includes the names Jennifer, Rosa, Raquel, and Farrell (possible building blocks for names of the imaginary roommates of the imaginary nanny), as well as separate first/last names matching up with her imaginary "coworkers" and "bosses" at Universal used in the fake work emails, such as Cheryl, Frank, etc. Oh, and the names of Zanny's imaginary family members are there as well: Samantha, Victor, and Gloria.)

Thank you. I knew I wasn't THAT crazy! I knew there was a Zenaida who was in school with Casey. Just not ZFG. And who knows what Casey did with her "work" days....she could have visited apartment complexes, walked into the office and never filled out a visitor card. She could have waited for the right moment to "peek" over the counter and get the name of the last person there (ZG) as she went to look at Apt. 110. Easy peazy.
 
This case does not seem that Caylee will get justice in this world.
I was wondering if this apartment complex has any surveillance tapes and if they do did they keep them. Why has no one looked at them if the did? So many coincidences in this case that led nowhere. Why?
I am hoping that some of these people, especially TES can get some kind of compensation for the hard work, long hours and money they put in this case looking for Caylee who wast stated to be dead at the opening statements of trial. It is discouraging, but have faith. There will be justice eventually.
 
I think the lawsuit against Casey by Zenaida is only a ploy to allow her attorney to have his face in the news. Too bad Zenaida doesn't realize that she is being used by her attorney! If Zenaida finds her self dissatisfied with the work her attorney has done for her when it is over, I hope someone lets her know about the Florida Disciplinary Board, where she can file a complaint against him.

BBM
LOL Since my family moved to Orlando,(over 10 years ago) I have always seen Morgan and Morgan on TV and heard him on the Radio :)

I haven't counted how many times per day in the past 10 years I have seen Morgan and Morgan TV ads..but I can say it is A LOT :D

Last year I read an article in Orlando Magazine on John Morgan..
He has one of the largest law firms in the South.
Morgan owns, not only the Law firm, but other businesses that include Hotels, Tourist Attractions, Billboard advertising and Marketing firms
He has hired Former FL Governor Charlie Crist to work at his law firm..
And...He hosted a party for President Barack Obama at his home when Obama was in Orlando, a fundraiser.

I don't think he needs Zenaida to get his face in the news...

:twocents:
 
BBM
LOL Since my family moved to Orlando,(over 10 years ago) I have always seen Morgan and Morgan on TV and heard him on the Radio :)

I haven't counted how many times per day in the past 10 years I have seen Morgan and Morgan TV ads..but I can say it is A LOT :D

Last year I read an article in Orlando Magazine on John Morgan..
He has one of the largest law firms in the South.
Morgan owns, not only the Law firm, but other businesses that include Hotels, Tourist Attractions, Billboard advertising and Marketing firms
He has hired Former FL Governor Charlie Crist to work at his law firm..
And...He hosted a fundraiser party for President Barack Obama at his home.

I don't think he needs Zenaida to get his face in the news...

:twocents:

Whatever the motives, I am all for any suit that forces Casey Anthony to show her face and talk :innocent:
 
I feel this way. If KC had come forward and said I saw that woman's picture and she is not ZFG. That should have been the end of it. But let's face it had ZG not gotten an attorney who knows where KC would have taken it. ZG stopped her right in her tracks with the lawsuit. Let's face it look at what they did to RK. Three long years of torture at the hands of the DT. Regardless of whatever anyone feels about ZG, or her past, she claims her children were harassed and she was threatened and feared for her and her children's safety. It is a mother's instinct to protect her child. Of course maybe KC's attorneys have been around her too much to consider that possibility. jmo

bbm
I agree.
 
I seem to recall that at one point, zg asked for a statement from fca that said she was not the supposed nanny and an apology. [/B]If fca would do that the lawsuit would be dropped. Fca couldn't even do that to show she would be responsible for her lies. I hope she wins this lawsuit big. Somebody has to holds fca accountable for her total lack of morals.


I remember that too...

She wanted it to come out of OCA's mouth, a verbal statement and apology.
 
I think the lawsuit against Casey by Zenaida is only a ploy to allow her attorney to have his face in the news. Too bad Zenaida doesn't realize that she is being used by her attorney! If Zenaida finds her self dissatisfied with the work her attorney has done for her when it is over, I hope someone lets her know about the Florida Disciplinary Board, where she can file a complaint against him.

Maybe Mr. Morgan just hates liars. jmo
 
I don't have time to go back through Dominic Casey's emails, but I clearly remember that there were email's about investigating this Zenaida. Dominic Casey worked for... drum roll please... Casey Anthony.
 
I didn't bring it up, Casey's attorneys did, and with good reason because it's relevant to the case. What, exactly, has the Anthony family said about this particular Z(no F)G that smeared her character?

This subject IMO has been your mantra for the last two years - asked and answered.Many many times...
 
I don't have time to go back through Dominic Casey's emails, but I clearly remember that there were email's about investigating this Zenaida. Dominic Casey worked for... drum roll please... Casey Anthony.

Yes, DC and Lee exchanged emails in regards to this Zenaida
D.C went to investigate..he went to Sawgrass and spoke with the employees there...searched out this Zenaida's myspace website and was trying to find a connection, linking friends in common., Zenaida's daughter (?) and the tatoo palour guys, Annie and Sawgrass connection...etc...they had their investigative eyes on Will Waters as well..

Here are 2 links to some of the emails...many links from MSM no longer work.

http://www.rosespeaks.com/wp-conten...tes-and-emails-to-multiple-persons-part-1.pdf

http://www.rosespeaks.com/wp-conten...tes-and-emails-to-multiple-persons-part-4.pdf
 
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