06.29.2010 Nancy Grace

[SuziQ]

Jeez, to be "such a great mom," Terri has NONE of her children nor her stepchild living with her right now.

I don't know why J left, but I'd be damned if I EVER would send my son away. My son goes, I go, or we work through the problems together.

Sad thing is, J is in such a good place right now, doing 4H stuff, camping, etc... but he's laid up with a broken leg... broke it last week falling off a horse. Poor kid... I hope he heals ok and that he doesn't have to go back to live with the female parental unit anytime soon.

BBM. I did not know that. Poor kid is right. I hope he has a great support system now.

 

[AnaTeresa]

atty says it is serious things when you take bio kid from bio mom... entered ex parte.. so it is based on FACTUAL STATEMENT.. not entered willy nilly because THERE IS NO DEFENSE PUT ON BY THE MOTHER BEFORE THE BABY IS TAKEN AWAY FROM THE MOTHER... AND THIS IS A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT

I'm still in law school, so someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but the idea of "facts" as we know them in real life is a bit different than a statement of facts in court. Basically, KH's attorney drafted a statement of facts for the judge, but those facts are presented in a way that favors KH. Then, TMH's attorney gets a turn to dispute those facts. It appears, for whatever reason, that they weren't disputed. However, just because they are not disputed does not make them true.

The judge may only rule on the facts presented to him or her. Because TMH did not dispute the facts, his/her ruling is based on the statement of "facts" drafted by KH's attorney. How truthful they are is a matter of degree - and with the court documents sealed, there's no way to really sleuth out the situation from that angle.

Basically, it's a bit more complicated and biased than NG is portraying it to be.

 

[passionflower]

a son 16, a stepson 7 and an 18 month daughter would be very time and energy consuming.
How old is TH???

 

[4BB]

Ugh, missed it...is there another site where I can watch it?

 

[cloudajo]

BBM

When Mark said that, it almost seemed cruel that LE would say that to a grieving family. Was it the family that said that in the first place? We've known about that statement for a long time and I don't remember from where it was quoted!

Capt. Mike Shults, who has worked closely with the Horman family, explained that the family members hadn't participated in the ground search for Kyron because investigators had asked them to remain in one place so they could be easily reached. His comments came after Terri Moulton Horman, Kyron's stepmother, was criticized on some online outlets for posting on her Facebook page, including saying she was "hitting the gym" shortly after Kyron disappeared.

Shults said he had asked family members to maintain their regular routines in an effort to stay healthy once it became apparent that the search for Kyron wouldn't be resolved quickly.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/rumor_mill_in_kyron_horman_dis.html

 

[Lavender]

BBM

When Mark said that, it almost seemed cruel that LE would say that to a grieving family. Was it the family that said that in the first place? We've known about that statement for a long time and I don't remember from where it was quoted!

The Captain staying with the family said in a press conference that they (LE) had asked the family to go about normal activities. It was during the press conference where he (the Captain staying with them) was reading the family's answers to questions asked by reporters. It came directly from LE that LE had asked them to do normal things.

Is that what you mean?

 

[pufnstuf]

I guess I just don't get it. To me, with J, the problem isn't him as much as it is the environment he's had to live in. Being dragged in and out of marriages, having his name changed, adopted, another divorce, then disposable when he has problems that many teens face....

I don't think the kid ever had much of a chance. Until his mother has a stable life, how can he be expected to?

At least he has a semblance of stability in his life now, with the father that Terri took him from. I hope it all works out for him and that he gets the help he most likely needs, given the instability he's been raised in.

 

[winterrose]

Jeez, to be "such a great mom," Terri has NONE of her children nor her stepchild living with her right now.

I don't know why J left, but I'd be damned if I EVER would send my son away. My son goes, I go, or we work through the problems together.

Sad thing is, J is in such a good place right now, doing 4H stuff, camping, etc... but he's laid up with a broken leg... broke it last week falling off a horse. Poor kid... I hope he heals ok and that he doesn't have to go back to live with the female parental unit anytime soon.

Well,in all honesty,even though I feel he was hidden,in abuse situations,I've known many fathers who get custody,because they have good jobs and are legal savy.And wives can't prove abuse,so this is all going to get very interesting on who,what and why.KWIM

 

[Ms Suzanne]

He is a 16 year old boy. Boys at that age can be very temperamental. They also dont react well to discipline as someone whose been a step mother to a 16 year old who had problams I can assure you that its not easy. However..in pictures taken of the family there is nothing to suggest that Kaine and J didnt get on. I dont think I can post here what the local said because they have took the discussion board down but i think if anything it was a case that Terri simply couldnt control the person her son was becoming and so sent him away.

Actually it also makes me wonder..if any allegations of abuse towards J or Kyron from Terri were actually from him.

jmo

Oh I know about teenage kids.I had 4 teenage boys.I think the problem may possibly have really been with Kaine.I'd like to hear this boys side of the story.

 

[pufnstuf]

Well,in all honesty,even though I feel he was hidden,in abuse situations,I've known many fathers who get custody,because they have good jobs and are legal savy.And wives can't prove abuse,so this is all going to get very interesting on who,what and why.KWIM

Yeah. I'm almost afraid to hear what will come next.

 

[cypress]

The judge sealed the RO to protect the investigation. IMO, this is not about that DUI from years ago. The FAPA law also states abuse/threat withing the past 180 days. It is not beneficial to arrest someone before they have all the evidence ready to go to trial. To do so would cause the perp to lawyer up and shut up. Time is on LE's side the best scenario is to get a confession and location of Kyron. Right now LE probably needs TH to tell them where Kyron's body is.

So then Kaine knew about child abuse and let it slide?

I firmly believe, no matter how this unfolds, disturbing facts about Kaine are going to rise to the surface.

Not directed at you, but a lot of people have stated that they believe they're missing the obvious elephant in the room, and I think it's Kaine.

Some event or series of events led to Desiree Young leaving Kaine when she was near her due date with Kyron, and something about Kaine and his behavior caused her to take out a RO. Now we're hearing that Terri's 16 y/o son may have butted heads with him? Also, in the news conferences, he hasn't been very emotive, either.

 

[In da Middle]

What teenager vs parent figure doesn't "butt heads"? I can't think of any of my friends or myself that won't say they didn't butt heads with their parents nor will they say they their teenagers and them don't butt heads now.

 

[4BB]

Ugh, missed it...is there another site where I can watch it?

Ive searched google, youtube and ustream. Any suggestions? Thanks!

 

[DeeMarie]

My step mother got rid of me and my sister. This is so she could have just her daughter and our dad and no one else in the house.
She exaggerated our behavior issues to get rid of us.
My sister and I were placed in separate foster care.
If that was Terri's goal I guess it did not work out because now her daughter and husband are both gone.
I pray for Kyron.

 

[nursebeeme]

So then Kaine knew about child abuse and let it slide?

I firmly believe, no matter how this unfolds, disturbing facts about Kaine are going to rise to the surface.

Not directed at you, but a lot of people have stated that they believe they're missing the obvious elephant in the room, and I think it's Kaine.

Some event or series of events led to Desiree Young leaving Kaine when she was near her due date with Kyron, and something about Kaine and his behavior caused her to take out a RO. Now we're hearing that Terri's 16 y/o son may have butted heads with him? Also, in the news conferences, he hasn't been very emotive, either.

we don't know anything yet. but I weigh in as firmly not thinking that is what happened

 

[Janeumayer]

Respectfully snipped and bolded by me.

NG: how many of us drop our kids off at school thinking they will be okay. On that day at the bus stop,,, they both picked him up.. did she arrange that or was it normal practice

reporter: no not normal: not sure if th asked him to go

how do you know (ng) not normal practice:? he hasn't said it wasn't

reporter: it was unusual that day that he stayed and worked at home

What is he basing this info on? If it is true then I still suspect KH...

JMO

 

[winterrose]

And why would someone give thier child to another family member,for safety or thier own interests.And who is strict enough to train a child to sleep 12 hours and still stay in bed till someone goes to get them.

 

[cypress]

we don't know anything yet. but I weigh in as firmly not thinking that is what happened

Oh, I don't think Kaine hurt Kyron, but I don't think he's an innocent party in this situation, either.

 

[For The Kids]

Oh I know about teenage kids.I had 4 teenage boys.I think the problem may possibly have really been with Kaine.I'd like to hear this boys side of the story.

I am sure the police have heard his side of the story. And still its Terri they are focussing on. NOT Kaine.

MOO

 

[pufnstuf]

This whole case is a frenched-up nightmare.