11/29/2011 Final prayer vigil for Lisa Irwin

[indepmo]

Absolutely not what the residents on the corner were told by KCPD when the media was intruding on property. They did their homework too. They were told since we have no sidewalk easement, they have absolute right to keep people off of their property. No permit needed for a vigil necessarily, but a permit is required to block the flow of traffic if you decide to hold it in the street. So, according to Shoal Creek Patrol of KCPD they have the right to request trespassing charges for unwanted persons on their entire front yard. Hence all of the no trespassing signs that went up when the media was hanging out. That meant it was posted and could be prosecuted.

That would be like me putting up a taco stand in your front yard and selling taco's. Business vs public are two different things.

Back to the main topic, I hope the community shows up in greater numbers than in the past to support this baby tonight.

 

[Darcyline]

I will keep up my own personal prayer vigils for Lisa whether the parents want it or not. For me, this is about Lisa and not them.

 

[mck16]

That would be like me putting up a taco stand in your front yard and selling taco's. Business vs public are two different things.

Back to the main topic, I hope the community shows up in greater numbers than in the past to support this baby tonight.

I wondered how many people have been attending the vigils? Does anyone know? tia

 

[matou]

Does this mean the family is giving up?

That was my first thought. Maybe some members of the family are feeling guilty that all of these people's prayers are being sent in vain. JMO

 

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[matou]

If Debbi no longer wants the prayer vigils, that's her right. That, on its own, isn't incriminating, imo. However, combined with the statements about things "getting better" and the family getting back to "100% their normal lives", it raises my eyebrows a little. Still, stopping the vigils after 2 months isn't nearly as bothersome or indicative of anything as stopping formal interviews at the police station after 4 days, imo.

Just for the record, Debbi and her team introduced religion into Lisa's disappearance. Maybe here nor there, but simply noting that it's not like the issue or subject of religion came from elsewhere. JMO..

DAN ABRAHAMS INTERVIEW WITH DEBBI BRADLEY ON GMA 10/17/2011:
DA: “Are you hopeful that Lisa’s gonna be found?”
DB: “Oh, we’re gonna find her. I have no doubt in my mind, we’re gonna find her.”
DA: “How are you so certain?”
DB: “I just know. Cause there’s still a God.”
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - compare the parent's statements to media here

CYNDI SHORT, DB'S ATTORNEY, STATEMENT TO KMBC 10/25/11:
“We had a talk just yesterday about her wanting to provide the kids a Catholic education, and how important that would be to her,” Short said.
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29579101/detail.html

I remember seeing a crucifix in their home on the wall above a doorway in the family's home. I assumed this was a religious family based on this and from the references to God that you mentioned. The crucifix is in the computer room from what I remember. I wonder if this family goes to church and if they have spoken with a pastor or priest about what they are going through. For a religious person to deny prayers is odd to me. If I was sick and people were praying for my return to health, I would want these prayers. I wouldn't say no. These again are prayers for LISA. Why deny messages to God on behalf of a little one who can't speak for herself? JMO

 

[hambirg]

Could anybody find an MSM article about this vigil planned for tonight? I understand it came from a post by Edith on one of the FB pages for Lisa, but I was hoping to see a media article. Final has such an ugly connotation to it.

I did find a yahoo news article, but I don't think that is considered MSM. However, that article said this was coming from DB. . .but also said last vigil to be held at the Lister address.

Like everything in this case, clear as mud.

 

[prayers4missing]

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16148252/last-prayer-vigil-to-be-held

 

[matou]

 

[hambirg]

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16148252/last-prayer-vigil-to-be-held

Thank you!


So according to that article:

Those who organize prayer vigils for baby Lisa said that Tuesday night will be the last vigil at the request of her mother, Debbie Bradley.

Ugh

MOO

 

[Nixie]

I remember seeing a crucifix in their home on the wall above a doorway in the family's home. I assumed this was a religious family based on this and from the references to God that you mentioned. The crucifix is in the computer room from what I remember. I wonder if this family goes to church and if they have spoken with a pastor or priest about what they are going through. For a religious person to deny prayers is odd to me. If I was sick and people were praying for my return to health, I would want these prayers. I wouldn't say no. These again are prayers for LISA. Why deny messages to God on behalf of a little one who can't speak for herself? JMO

They aren't asking people to not pray for their daughter, they are asking people to not hold vigils on their front lawn thats a big difference imo. Until someone says a reason i think everyone is jumping to conclusions based on one statement.

 

[Littleone48]

I agree... People have critized them for wanting to get back to "normal". We all know their lives will never be normal again. They have to move on, as this may be the new "normal".

They are "grieving" for the loss of their daughter. It doesn't mean they know she's dead, because DB killed her. It might simply mean that they are grieving because she is gone and they don't know where she is. Let's imagine our child missing, wouldn't we grieve?!! I would, daily... it doesn't mean I wouldn't try to get on with my life for my other child. It also doesn't mean I would stop hoping and praying that she was returned.

Some have suggested that the boys will wonder why mom asked that the vigils stop. How do we know they haven't talked to the boys about it? How do we know that the boys didn't ask for them to be stopped? How do we know that they don't pray about this as a family? My husband and I pray w/ our kids when the need arises. We don't know!!!

As far as vigils... I'm sorry, I may be in the minority; but I wouldn't want people on my lawn every night. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want people to stop praying. As far as people on the lawn every night, maybe they are really worried for the boys; maybe somebody gives them the creeps; maybe they are worried that this gives strangers access to their boys. Who knows why they asked the vigils to cease.. IMO it doesn't matter. It is their life and they have to live it the best way they see fit at this point. It is not my place to judge and I won't. I will continue to pray that Lisa is brought home safely and brought to these parents who loved her.:twocents:

I haven't read all post but I am wondering if maybe some people in the neighborhood would like things to get back to normal. It is Christmastime, a time for kids. Just maybe some of the neighbors would like things to get back to "normal" for the Holiday's.

I am not sure how I as a neighbor would feel about a crowd of people gathering. These neighbors have put up with a lot in the past 2 months and I for one feel that a little peace is in order for everyone.

I understand that a baby is missing however people can show their support other ways. IMO

 

[matou]

They aren't asking people to not pray for their daughter, they are asking people to not hold vigils on their front lawn thats a big difference imo. Until someone says a reason i think everyone is jumping to conclusions based on one statement.

I didn't see that in the article either.

 

[hambirg]

They aren't asking people to not pray for their daughter, they are asking people to not hold vigils on their front lawn thats a big difference imo. Until someone says a reason i think everyone is jumping to conclusions based on one statement.

I will agree with you on that.

But what I don't understand is why didn't they ask for no vigils in front of the house from one of their attorneys, or BS? A statement from one of them saying that the family would like some privacy and requests that the vigils be held somewhere else, sure would sound a LOT better than DB asks for this to be the last vigil. No matter how one feels about DB's guilt or innocence, you have to admit, she has a way with words, or foot in mouth disease. Didn't she know that this would sound really bad coming from her?

ETA MOO

 

[matou]

The parents at one of the prayer vigils:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hotos-Baby-Lisas-bedroom-handprints-wall.html

 

[natsound]

They aren't asking people to not pray for their daughter, they are asking people to not hold vigils on their front lawn thats a big difference imo. Until someone says a reason i think everyone is jumping to conclusions based on one statement.

bbm

Can you link that statement? TIA

 

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[In da Middle]

I will agree with you on that.

But what I don't understand is why didn't they ask for no vigils in front of the house from one of their attorneys, or BS? A statement from one of them saying that the family would like some privacy and requests that the vigils be held somewhere else, sure would sound a LOT better than DB asks for this to be the last vigil. No matter how one feels about DB's guilt or innocence, you have to admit, she has a way with words, or foot in mouth disease. Didn't she know that this would sound really bad coming from her?

ETA MOO

We dont know that they didn't say that. The wording isn't coming from DB herself. It is being relayed through no telling how many people before the reporter wrote about it. No direct quotes anywhere in the article. We dont even know where the reporter heard it from.

 

[matou]

Cross in Baby Lisa' bedroom above light switch at door at 1:18

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/45014011#45014011

 

[deoneta]

I understand that some think that the parents have every reason to stay out of the spotlight because they have been misled and accused by LE, their words and actions sensationalized by the media and their characters bashed in social media and public foums. Prayer vigils and searches, however are conducted for the benefit of the family and can in no way be construed as mistreatment of the parents. Prayer vigils and searches also create publicity which can generate continued tips.

I don't understand why the parents have distanced themselves from vigils and search efforts. Why haven't they attended vigils? I understand that they might like to see the vigils moved to a different area, but I hope they will support and attend vigils in the future. I don't believe the parents should be part of search parties themselves, but public statements of support and thanks to the searchers would help to keep this case visible. All MOO.