11/29/2011 Final prayer vigil for Lisa Irwin

[Sparklin]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0Lmy0Q5U_k"]Baby Lisa's Parents Take Questions From Reporters - YouTube[/ame]

1:42(ish) DB: 'we're going to stay strong, we're a family, we're going to PRAY..'

I don't think Deb has an issue with people praying her for her daughter at all.

 

[In da Middle]

I understand that some think that the parents have every reason to stay out of the spotlight because they have been misled and accused by LE, their words and actions sensationalized by the media and their characters bashed in social media and public foums. Prayer vigils and searches, however are conducted for the benefit of the family and can in no way be construed as mistreatment of the parents. Prayer vigils and searches also create publicity which can generate continued tips.

I don't understand why the parents have distanced themselves from vigils and search efforts. Why haven't they attended vigils? I understand that they might like to see the vigils moved to a different area, but I hope they will support and attend vigils in the future. I don't believe the parents should be part of search parties themselves, but public statements of support and thanks to the searchers would help to keep this case visible. All MOO.

BBM
They have attended some heres proof. The media has not been at very many of them to film them there or not. Here is one right here

I guarantee with all of the bad publicity and people calling them out, they probably will not be there tonight. These events have all been peaceful up til now. Even when the parents were there.

 

[Sparklin]

I didn't see that in the article either.

I didn't see a request to stop praying either.

 

[Sparklin]

I will agree with you on that.

But what I don't understand is why didn't they ask for no vigils in front of the house from one of their attorneys, or BS? A statement from one of them saying that the family would like some privacy and requests that the vigils be held somewhere else, sure would sound a LOT better than DB asks for this to be the last vigil. No matter how one feels about DB's guilt or innocence, you have to admit, she has a way with words, or foot in mouth disease. Didn't she know that this would sound really bad coming from her?

ETA MOO

We don't know HOW or WHAT was said to Edith. This isn't an exact quote. She could have given multiple reasons, she could have explained in detail, but we just don't know.

 

[tehcloser]

BBM
They have attended some heres proof. The media has not been at very many of them to film them there or not. Here is one right here

I guarantee with all of the bad publicity and people calling them out, they probably will not be there tonight. These events have all been peaceful up til now. Even when the parents were there.

bbm


Is there reason to think this one is not going to be peaceful?

 

[Minette]

It just occurred to me--I wonder if the request to cease the prayer vigils at the family residence has anything to do with the upcoming custody hearing involving JI's son??? I can see RR's attorney using those as a way of showing that the child's life is being adversely impacted. This is just a theory, but I do wonder about the timing.

I bet DB wishes she had asked their attorneys to make the request now. She might have felt that it would be more respectful to ask Edith in person, though. We really don't know.

 

[indepmo]

BBM
They have attended some heres proof. The media has not been at very many of them to film them there or not. Here is one right here

I guarantee with all of the bad publicity and people calling them out, they probably will not be there tonight. These events have all been peaceful up til now. Even when the parents were there.

That's 1 they attended, and that was along side Cyndi Short.
When I attended afterwards, a neighbor stated the attended one prior to that, bringing the total to two.

I wonder if they will attend tonight?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

We don't know HOW or WHAT was said to Edith. This isn't an exact quote. She could have given multiple reasons, she could have explained in detail, but we just don't know.

This isn't the first time in this case that statements allegedly made by the parents have been misconstrued by the media. jmo

 

[In da Middle]

That's 1 they attended, and that was along side Cyndi Short.
When I attended afterwards, a neighbor stated the attended one prior to that, bringing the total to two.

I wonder if they will attend tonight?

My response was why they didn't attend any. If people were out creating havoc where they were staying when they weren't even at their own house, why would they want it at the house they live at and have kids to protect?

 

[Melanie]

This isn't the first time in this case that statements allegedly made by the parents have been misconstrued by the media. jmo

BBM -- I can't help but think of the felon anytime that word is used anymore.

Casey Anthony: The media completely misconsthoooooed everything that I said

:great:

So, yes, it does happen, and I'll take the "final" prayer vigil for Lisa with a grain of salt as I didn't hear it from DB directly.

On that note - I hope it goes well tonight, and there are no ugly violent outbursts. Remembering what happened in front of the Ant's home does not bring back good memories.

I also can't help but feel about DB what I felt about Billie Jean Dunn when Hailey went missing. Same kind of demeanour IMHO -- BJD never went out and looked for HD, and eventually moved out of the home, and is still shacking up with Shawn Adkins. It'll be a year since Hailey's disappearance, whilst mommy has gone on with her life. Hailey's grandmother is about the only one who still makes media appearances begging for leads.

Maybe I wish for too much -- maybe I expect to see mothers out begging for their children. Really...is it too much to ask?

My opinion only!

Mel

 

[Minette]

As suggested, I did google "Caylee Anthony" "public easement". I read about the people camping on the street/easement in front of George & Cindy Anthony's house, about how the vigils devolved into altercations, yelling, & ugliness in general. I don't know why people feel compelled to do things like that, but I am not a fan of mob 'justice.' If the purpose of the vigil is to pray for Lisa, it can be done anywhere, including in our own homes. If the purpose of the vigil is to make the parents feel guilty & keep the pressure on them, I think determination of guilt & innocence and punishments for the guilty are best left to the legal system.

That's my opinion, at least.

 

[Littleone48]

BBM - :waitasec::waitasec: :waitasec:

:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec: <modsnip>..

Even here in our school system when a young life is lost there is a time to try and go back to a normal life. It does not mean that Baby Lisa is forgotten it just means that a daily reminder to the other youths in the neighborhood may not be a healthy thing. Many professionals will tell you the same thing.

 

[MyBelle]

Since this was questioned I did my homework and called the City of Kansas City. It's also important to distinguish the difference between a public easement and a utility easement. The public easement being next to the street, and utility easement behind and beside the residence where electrical and telecommunication cables exist.

I was directed to Charter & Code 50-155 ; 50-85 and 64

No permit required to conduct a prayer vigil in front of any residence in Kansas City. You are allowed to stand on public easement 4' from curb if a sidewalk exists, and it extends further than 4' if no sidewalk exists.

You are not allowed to obstruct people walking down the road.
You cannot obstruct a driveway.
There is no time period that requires you to leave, but other ordinances may fall into play such as disturbing the peace after 11 or midnight. You cannot sleep there, but you can gather there as long as you wish.

It is also advised that you inform police department so they are alerted in the event of a large crowd gathering.

I was instructed to call the "Right Away" division for KC Streets & Traffic to find out what the exact distance extending further than 4' would be.

No permit doesn't mean no permission from the property owner needs to be obtained.

JMO

 

[askfornina]

BBM
They have attended some heres proof. The media has not been at very many of them to film them there or not. Here is one right here

I guarantee with all of the bad publicity and people calling them out, they probably will not be there tonight. These events have all been peaceful up til now. Even when the parents were there.

i'm sorry, but this picture just triggered something for me. look at JI's face. that is SADNESS. that is just pure sadness. i can say the same about DB. i went back and watched the interviews the other day, and i remember when i watched them for the first time. DB just struck me as SO sincere. she just seemed so, genuinely upset. JI seemed like a quiet dude who was trying to be strong. my first impression was that there is NO way that is fake. it's been a long 2 months, and everything has been picked apart, but i just have to go back to my gut feeling. that first interview, with DB crying, saying she is terrified..seriously. if she was faking it, someone give that girl an academy award.

i have said it before, but JI is completely not on my radar as far as guilt. his alibi is tight. i have no reason to not trust that this man is completely devastated. i feel so, so bad.

i am still on the fence with DB. i will jump off quicker than you can imagine when more evidence comes out that DB is guilty. but when i go back and look at the first interview..i just cannot imagine. unless and until that evidence comes out, i will continue to cry for her. i will continue to trust that she cares about her missing daughter.

praying for Lisa tonight, her parents, and her brothers.

 

[sorrell skye]

Yes - a little baby is missing. Her name is Lisa Irwin. She was 10 months (almost 11 months) old when she went missing. She was still missing when her 1st birthday arrived, but she wasn't home to celebrate it.

She still isn't home.

Folks are free to pray for her wherever and whenever they choose, to whatever deity they feel hears & answers their prayers.

The thing is, holding a public prayer vigil is one of the ways parents of missing children help to keep their beloved child in the public's mind & eye, especially the longer the child has been missing, lest their baby be forgotten.

 

[Jacie Estes]

The roadway to the front yard here consists of the gutter. That's all. About 8-12 inches wide and I think it is actually considered the street. No sidewalks here. So no easement here. I have absolute right to keep anybody off of any part of my front yard here unless it is the water service checking the water or sewer lines.

I hope LE are there tonight to monitor peeps actions and to see WHO is there. Sometimes criminals return to the scene of the crime. jus sayin

 

[Melanie]

Personally, I hope during this prayer vigil that DB and/or JI will make a public plea to ask for their baby back. You would think they could make that small teensy tiny little bit of effort. THe media will be there, so this is the perfect opportunity.

And if they can't be bothered, I'll just say pppfffffttttt....

MOO

Mel

 

[Minette]

I, for one, will never ever forget little Lisa Irwin.

 

[MyBelle]

I will not take the OJ bait. However, were the children victims? Were Ron Goldman's parents victims?

In this case, the parents are CLEARLY victims if they are innocent. And I think that it's terrible that they are not being treated like victims. Their BABY was taken from them, and there is no EVIDENCE that they had anything to do with it. The more information we get, and the longer this goes on without an arrest, the more likely that these parents are 100% innocent. If they are later proven to be involved, then they are no longer victims, but til then, don't they deserve to at least be treated as possible victims? I think it's cruel and heartless to ramp up the accusations when there is no evidence. It's like pouring salt into a wound.

Just IMAGINE if it was your baby stolen, and everyone thought YOU did it, but you were in fact innocent. I can't imagine how horrible that would be. I will never point my finger at these poor people until someone, somewhere, gives me a reason to do so, and not just because they don't like the way the family does this or does that.

In a missing child case, the only known victim is the missing child. In this case, at a minimum, the parents are guilty of neglect because their children were left unsupervised for hours while the mother has admitted she got wasted outside with her pals.

JMO

 

[indepmo]

My response was why they didn't attend any. If people were out creating havoc where they were staying when they weren't even at their own house, why would they want it at the house they live at and have kids to protect?

I've seen cases where a parent or parents attend each one.

There was even a vigil at the house they were staying at and they didnt attend.

Reporters looking over a fence or through a bush in the back yard of the home they were staying at while they were outside smoking was the only havok I recall.

Respecting privacy as Edith intends on doing is another story.

If they attend, if they don't attend, it doesnt matter either way. To me, this is Edith being the advocate for Lisa. I'm glad someone is doing this. I thought Cyndi Short was going to be Lisa's advocate, but it's been really quiet in her direction.


I think Merriam-Webster's definition of havoc says it best.
"great confusion and disorder" <the blackout caused havoc in the city>

Take that part of the underlined definition for what it's worth.