17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #8

[vlpate]

Could you refer to me to one account that says he stopped pursuit?

Everything I have read is to the contrary---in earlier threads the common thing to say was that GZ was not ordered to stop, it was simply a "suggestion".

I'm not sure how that has evolved into people now asserting that GZ did stop pursuit. If that's been linked, I missed it...

TIA

:moo::twocents:

Could you refer me to one official account that says he didn't stop following him? I could have missed it, seriously.

 

[Concerned Papa]

From what I can tell, there are two entrances, one front and one back. I think GZ was at the front entrance, initially, and that's where the mailboxes are. The transcripts seem to suggest that he thought TM was running toward the back entrance (which would have been where TM was staying so it's logical he was running that way).

That's as best I can tell with the maps we've seen. I thought the mailboxes were located near the front entrance but maybe they're in the back?

According to the boy's father in the early part of his walk with the camera in this video, the mailboxes are up at the clubhouse.

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/tra...timeline-leaves-many-unanswered-questions.php

 

[m00c0w]

Sooo, you're proposing that AFTER LOSING SIGHT of Trayvon, he possibly jogged/hustled all the way down that sidewalk onto the other street at the back gate.....then jogged/hustled back up the entire length of the same empty sidewalk he just traveled.....instead of continuing his search up the parallel street his vehicle was parked on?.....only to be accosted by this kid back where it all started on the sidewalk between the buildings?

Anything's possible I suppose, but if true, he just ran about half again more than the length of a football field only to wind up back where he started just to get his azz beat.

I don't blame him. I'd of left that part out too.

Huh?



I'm saying he probably parked where the blue rectangle is located. He then went along the magenta path while talking to the dispatcher, and realized he lost Martin when he came to the perpendicular pathway. Since he believes Martin is going towards the back entrance, it would make sense that he would continue alone the same magenta pathway so he will have roughly the viewpoint notated by the yellow triangle. He would be able to see if Martin was running towards the back entrance, or off to another house... If he ran to another house, Zimmerman would be able to tell police approximately where he went - this may be the confusion about Zimmerman saying he was trying to get an address.

It was somewhere towards the end of this magenta pathway that I believe he was told to stop following Martin, and he did. He turned around and headed back towards his vehicle. This is a very reasonable distance to cover in that short amount of time, and I feel the scenario fits in well with the timeline.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I SPECULATE that the strenuous defense is an attempt to cover up or distract from irregularities or improprieties in how the investigation itself, was conducted.

There sure seems to be something we don't know about that is keeping the City from pointing the finger SA. Maybe that war is going to start now, yesterday the city leaked the info about the detective and today the SA leaked info about warrants. LOL

 

[Emeralgem]

I SPECULATE that the strenuous defense is an attempt to cover up or distract from irregularities or improprieties in how the investigation itself, was conducted.

BBM...And I am so inclined to believe you are absolutely correct...JMHO

 

[m00c0w]

There is a contradiction about the running. The only person saying TM was running was GZ but where TM's body ended up does not indicate TM was running because he did not get very far. TM's gf claims she told him to run and he said no, he was walking fast. So we are assuming he's running because GZ said so. GZ also was painting a picture to LE of someone who was up to no good and was "headed for the back gate" but when you look at where his body was found he was not headed for the back gate but parallel to it and no where near the back. We still have no idea if TM was running only that GZ claims TM was running. jmo

"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," Martin's friend said. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run, but he said he was not going to run."

Eventually, he would run, said the girl, thinking that he'd managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin.

"Trayvon said, 'What are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again, and he didn't answer the phone."

BBM

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...-crucial-phone/story?id=15959017#.T3NDrOxSRNE

Either her story is credible, or it isn't.

 

[songline]

If he never got out of his car and followed Trayvon, which he admits doing on the tape of his call to LE, then how did he manage to shoot Trayvon in the area where he was found, since that too is undisputed.

That is what we do not know. I think if there was a witness saying I saw one or the other jump first we would not be debating this.
And I do hope it comes to light, but hanging GZ is not a civilized way to handle it. A thorough investigation is the only way.

:moo:

 

[Nana46]

type the word moo or cow inside of two :s you will have your icon

:moo:

OT alert:

:moo:

Sorry I just had to try this...neatest thing ever...hope I can remember it!!:seeya:

 

[tambo]

I don't think anyone - if there was anyone - meeting up with him on that drizzly unpleasant evening was planning to go get skittles also. I don't know what kind of activity turned up on Trayvon's phone. I guess it will come out in the investigation.

Having teenage boys, and some brushes with marijuana, I can tell you that when a boy uses marijuana enough to own his own - that he brings to school - they don't just stop using within a week of that. If they leave in the unpleasant drizzle to go out for an undetermined amount of time (and the family covers up for it) and someone who is alert believes they've behaving suspiciously - they are. Sorry I'm knowledgeable about this, but being older and wiser, I always firmly believed that Trayvon didn't leave that condo to go to skittles and tea, although he did that also.

He did have $22 with him. Much more than he needed for skittles and tea.

wait, what...are you trying to say that you think trayvon was going to meet somebody lol lol wow,, i think thats really stretching...there is nothing, nothing that indicates anything even remotely close to that....and for the love of ........please tell me what the comment about the money means... these cute little inneundos are getting way out of hand here...i think we all get what your trying to imply and it's rather cruel on the part of people doing that.....this young man that your smearing is dead...he is DEAD....omg...seriously you think he had to much money with him....what next...:banghead:

 

[Elley Mae]

A NEW LAW gave them pause, I do not like the new law.
They always need to make sure whoever is telling anything about the death
of someone who cannot tell anything, is a true account of the events.
That means investigation.

ALSO -
I have noticed that in Seminole territory we often get very sketchy LE investigations. JMO

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/27/2718130/sanford-cops-wanted-to-charge.html

the above link is the link that should have been posted, sorry for the wrong link

 

[Sensei]

I keep typing and deleting, typing and deleting........it's a tragedy anyway you look at it. A kid is dead, and no matter what is said or what is proven, we can't bring him back. And I don't know about you guys, but that pi$$es me off.

Completely and totally agree, and so needlessly....all these rambo wannabes and their guns....It is their right to own them, and it is their right to carry them, and I know some people who have permits and carry guns and are as responsible as the day is long, and then there are "others" who brag about having them, make it a point to show others that they've got them, and don't mind getting in a confrontation because they have an "equalizer"

I don't particularly like the SYG law, and I wish they would make it much tougher for anyone carrying a gun unlawfully and for people to get a permit to carry, laws with some teeth so that everyone knows that if there is an "accident" with your gun, or if you do foolish and irresponsible things while carrying a gun the consequences will fall on YOU.

 

[iluvmua]

That is what we do not know. I think if there was a witness saying I saw one or the other jump first we would not be debating this.
And I do hope it comes to light, but hanging GZ is not a civilized way to handle it. A thorough investigation is the only way.

:moo:

I agree

 

[songline]

I don't know if there is a racial slur on the tape or not, and frankly I am not inclined to care a whole lot. Some claim that they hear it, some claim that they do not, and when it is analyzed as much as it can me we may still have no further answers. But RACE is a part of this case whether we want to admit it or not because there is simply no way anyone is going to tell me that if the teen lying on the ground was a clean cut or even a thuggish looking white kid, the investigation would have been carried out in exactly the same manner, nor would he have lain in the morgue for days waiting for them to figure out who he was....IMO JMHO and stuff

If nobody can tell you then why continue to observe the case?

It is true that we all read that 8 brake ins were happening in the community
and it was said that it happened by black people.
I AM OF MIXED FAMILY so do not jump on me.
but if I saw some kid I had never seen before in the rain, just walking and
walking I would consider keeping an eye out.
SO NO IT IS NOT A RACIAL case at all.

:moo:

 

[HiHater]

Could you refer me to one official account that says he didn't stop following him? I could have missed it, seriously.

Martin was shot as he made his way to his father's fiance's house while returning from a convenience store where he bought a pack of Skittles and iced tea. He was followed by Zimmerman who found him suspicious.

At some point, Zimmerman ignored the suggestion from a 911 dispatcher that he stop following Martin, left his truck and went to look for Martin.

Emphasis mine...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...n-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.T3NEa9U_LQ0

 

[vlpate]

I don't know if there is a racial slur on the tape or not, and frankly I am not inclined to care a whole lot. Some claim that they hear it, some claim that they do not, and when it is analyzed as much as it can me we may still have no further answers. But RACE is a part of this case whether we want to admit it or not because there is simply no way anyone is going to tell me that if the teen lying on the ground was a clean cut or even a thuggish looking white kid, the investigation would have been carried out in exactly the same manner, nor would he have lain in the morgue for days waiting for them to figure out who he was....IMO JMHO and stuff

I see this alluded to a lot...would you happen to have a link for this information. Trayvon's father said they came to his girlfriend's house on the 27th to tell him Trayvon was dead. :waitasec: Very confusing.

I don't understand how race is part of this case. It is clear to me that once Zimmerman told LE he shot Trayvon in self defense, they had to investigate and, under the law, could not immediately arrest him. The law was designed to afford people who killed in self defense, the right to continue to make a living, go to school, take care of their families, etc.

Not agreeing or disagreeing with the law, just telling you, black, white, or purple, it is what it is.

 

[Elley Mae]

Completely and totally agree, and so needlessly....all these rambo wannabes and their guns....It is their right to own them, and it is their right to carry them, and I know some people who have permits and carry guns and are as responsible as the day is long, and then there are "others" who brag about having them, make it a point to show others that they've got them, and don't mind getting in a confrontation because they have an "equalizer"

I don't particularly like the SYG law, and I wish they would make it much tougher for anyone carrying a gun unlawfully and for people to get a permit to carry, laws with some teeth so that everyone knows that if there is an "accident" with your gun, or if you do foolish and irresponsible things while carrying a gun the consequences will fall on YOU.

It's not always a gun. How about a bag of radio's!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/miami-judge-rules-in-stan_n_1385219.html

 

[m00c0w]

Emphasis mine...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...n-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.T3NEa9U_LQ0

Except it's clear that he's left his vehicle before the dispatcher asks if he's following Martin.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

There sure seems to be something we don't know about that is keeping the City from pointing the finger SA. Maybe that war is going to start now, yesterday the city leaked the info about the detective and today the SA leaked info about warrants. LOL

What warrants - where? I missed something. Anyone got a link?


TIA

 

[tehcloser]

If nobody can tell you then why continue to observe the case?

It is true that we all read that 8 brake ins were happening in the community
and it was said that it happened by black people.
I AM OF MIXED FAMILY so do not jump on me.
but if I saw some kid I had never seen before in the rain, just walking and
walking I would consider keeping an eye out.
SO NO IT IS NOT A RACIAL case at all.

:moo:

I don't know if it started out being one (I think it did, imo.), but it has turned in to one. That cannot be denied.

 

[songline]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/27/2718130/sanford-cops-wanted-to-charge.html

the above link is the link that should have been posted, sorry for the wrong link

thank you for this article I marked it for favorites so I can read it thoroughly.
Heading out to the DR.