17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #21

[Adrienne37]

Oh my. Did FT get that nugget from the police report, too?

I have to admit, I enjoyed seeing NG :whip: him last night. And the funny thing is, he keeps coming back. We'll probably hear him ask about her twins tomorrow, that is if Mr. Zimmerman's ex-attorneys don't elbow him out of the camera's view.

Why isn't anyone who claims to represent GZ coming forward with some facts we can use, like the medical evidence?

Could be because there is no medical evidence? :seeya:

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Co...tion/-/1637132/10452410/-/gx69ei/-/index.html

In a memo from her office, Corey said she will release new information regarding the investigation into Martin's death, but no specifics were provided.

BBM
what could it be?

 

[Velouria]

I don't have a link for this so consider it RUMOR.

There is an interview out there somewhere where one of the attys states that he is not GZ's atty but his legal advisor because no charges have been filed and he can't represent him until/unless charges are filed. It was a TODAY interview and IIRC it was when Sonner was flying solo, before Ulrich, but I can't be sure. Does anyone else remember this?

moo

wm

BBM

Understanding this is just rumor, mind you....

That sounds like something Sonner would say. I've never heard of an attorney not being able to represent someone because no charges have been filed. What about people who request an attorney during a police interview? Do they say "Mind you officer, this is only my legal counsel, not my attorney."

GMAB

 

[Isabelle]

I agree, first I think that GZ did not want his Father to be the one in charge of the money, since the Attorneys made it pretty clear that when they set up the website that Mr. Z senior was the person who had to bank account that the paypal would funnel into, not them. GZ set up one that he would be able to get the money himself. I also do think that they are setting up to be sure that if this does go to an arrest they can make an argument that GZ was too injured, concussion or too mentally impaired and confused due to having his head hit hard to give a reliable statemtent on the night of the incident, and suffering from PTSD in any subsequent statements, in the event that the two don't match.

I still say there is something wrong with the location of the supposed gashes, contusions or whatever on the video we have seen. How do you get damage there if someone is hitting your head against the ground or floor?

The only way you get damage there is if they are holding you by your feet IMO JMHO and stuff.

Agree completely on the 'gashes' on his head. The gun GZ used is known for having a bad kick. I imagined him pulling the trigger, recoil causing his hands and butt of the gun hitting his nose and causing him to fall backwards striking the top of his head on a tree, trash receptacle or other object. A green painted receptacle is shown along the walkway, but I don't know how far from this the shooting occurred or how far GZ actually was from TM when he fired.

 

[suzihawk]

I imagine it went something like this...

GZ called the special prosecutor's office and got reception or her assistant. I think it's very unlikely that he got through on her direct line unless he misrepresented who he was. He would then and immediately have been advised that no one in the prosecutor's office could speak to him unless he was represented. He responded that he was representing himself. Whoever he was talking to inquired about the status of Uhrig and Sonner and were told by GZ that they were not representing him, but were merely consulting. The call was terminated by the prosecutor's office and GZ's "counsel" was contacted directly and asked to verify the representation or lack thereof. It would be SOP for adverse counsel to advise GZ's counsel that their "client" had contacted them directly.

Upon being contacted with this information by the prosecutor's office, Sonner and Uhrig went on national television to make it publicly crystal clear that they are not holding themselves out as GZ's counsel without his consent, etc. which would subject them to disciplinary action and could cause other repercussions wrt GZ's defense.

I believe the decision to do this so publicly is related to the extremely high profile of the case and so they can say they did everything in their power to convey their position regarding the representation to their client. Since he wasn't returning calls or answering e-mail, but is almost certainly watching national television and following other media coverage, they can tell the court or the bar that they felt this was the most effective way to communicate with him under the circumstances. IOW, they did everything they could to ensure he got their message. I'm sure they also sent him e-mails and texts and left vm's, but they decided to take the belt and suspenders approach due to all that could potentially be at stake.

jmo.

That's all fine and dandy. I don't blame them for trying to cover their arses nine ways to Sunday.

But why continue to grandstand for 45 solid minutes regurgitating every minute detail of the case as they know it according to George Zimmerman?

This presser (or media event) should have lasted five minutes, tops. A simple, "We have decided to step down because..." would have been sufficient.

 

[Velouria]

It not a leak from the prosecutor, they thought they were talking to GZ's attorneys. They had no idea they would flip out at a presser..........

That was the sort of press conference you call when you decide to retire from the practice of law and want to ensure that you are no longer bothered by pesky potential clients.

 

[Sensei]

Could be because there is no medical evidence? :seeya:

That would be my guess, after all think of all the flak and rally's and everything else that could have been totally avoided if they had simply come out with some solid proof that shows that GZ was actually in a fight for his life when he shot....I believe that if that proof existed it would have been out there and we could have avoided a lot of carp..IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[JeannaT]

Oh my. Did FT get that nugget from the police report, too?

I have to admit, I enjoyed seeing NG :whip: him last night. And the funny thing is, he keeps coming back. We'll probably hear him ask about her twins tomorrow, that is if Mr. Zimmerman's ex-attorneys don't elbow him out of the camera's view.

Why isn't anyone who claims to represent GZ coming forward with some facts we can use, like the medical evidence?

Since he hasn't been charged with a crime, lawyers don't have access to the police reports and any medical evidence they may have.

 

[Phoenixfla]

This is my theory – I know most of you will disagree, and that’s ok.

Yesterday the SP contacted GZ’s attys and said “We are not filing charges, but we want to talk to GZ to make sure that he is safe once the announcement is made”. GZ’s lawyers call and leave a voicemail for GZ with the news, but instead of calling his lawyers, he calls SP. SP probably either tells him to leave the state, or offers some kind of protection.

Once he knows that he is not going to be charged, he calls Sean Hannity because he wants to present his side of the story and needs a show to go on. (Not going to go on NBC now is he?) Why else would anybody call the media??

GZ’s attys fire him because they were not part of the conversation with the SP, and understand that once GZ goes public they will no longer be in the spotlight.

The 72 hours is for police across the country to make preparations for the potential onslaught of riots. Also, it will get us to Friday placing the beginning of the riots over the weekend when businesses are less likely to be affected.

So I predict that sometime mid-friday the SP will announce no charges are supported by the evidence.

Once again, only my theory. We’ll know by Saturday if it is accurate or not.

 

[ohiogirl]

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/04/10/george-zimmermans-attorneys-withdraw-from-case/

Uhrig said that they had been trying to set up a meeting between Zimmerman and the special prosecutor’s office investigating the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

When special prosecutors asked Zimmerman if he had lawyers, he said he only had legal advisers, not a lawyer, according to Uhrig and Sonner.

“I’m not sure what the distinction is, but in his mind there’s a distinction,” Uhrig said.

Wonder why he is confused about that, seems as a lawyer he would know the difference between legal advise and retaining a lawyer. jmo

I don't think the lawyer is confused, it is GZ who is confused, imo.

 

[Velouria]

Since he hasn't been charged with a crime, lawyers don't have access to the police reports and any medical evidence they may have.

They DID have access to the police reports, as well as the medical records of their client. In particular, I'm speaking of the medical records relating to the treatment Mr. Zimmerman claims he received the day after the shooting. Why would their own client deny them access to those?

 

[Phoenixfla]

Agree completely on the 'gashes' on his head. The gun GZ used is known for having a bad kick. I imagined him pulling the trigger, recoil causing his hands and butt of the gun hitting his nose and causing him to fall backwards striking the top of his head on a tree, trash receptacle or other object. A green painted receptacle is shown along the walkway, but I don't know how far from this the shooting occurred or how far GZ actually was from TM when he fired.

I can assure you that a 9mm does not have anywhere near that amount of recoil. Only in the movies.

 

[Sensei]

That was the sort of press conference you call when you decide to retire from the practice of law and want to ensure that you are no longer bothered by pesky potential clients.

If that was the intention it worked for me....If I ever found myself in legal trouble I believe I would proceed pro se before I would hire them, who wants their attorney to hold a press conference to tell the nation that their client is a whack job...I may be, but I don't want my attorney telling the media that.
IMO JMHO and stuff

 

[raeann]

That was the sort of press conference you call when you decide to retire from the practice of law and want to ensure that you are no longer bothered by pesky potential clients.

EXACTLY my thoughts....who in the world would ever hire either of these clowns to ever represent them again.....they will be lucky to get appointed as public defender attorneys if the general public in Florida was listening to that fiasco!

jmo

 

[JeannaT]

They DID have access to the police reports, as well as the medical records of their client. In particular, I'm speaking of the medical records relating to the treatment Mr. Zimmerman claims he received the day after the shooting. Why would their own client deny them access to those?

They were adamant that he had a broken nose. My guess is they did have access to what GZ had, but not the physical evidence held by LE.

 

[mikeysmommom]

it makes no sense that Mr Zimmerman's not-my-attys are still all over my tv and still stirring things up. In some ways it seems to me that they want a riot type situation

If there are riots IMO MR.Crump and the revs are the ones who riled the mobs,and the news for slanting this case as a youngster choir boy with his ice tea an skittles skipping home was gun downed by a fat crazed gunman.IMO These lawyers are sick and tired of the circus and are speaking out because they know GZ is covered under the law.It is incredible that nothing has been done to anyone who is calling for the capture of a man alive or dead and no one was arrested for putting out a hit.If a White man or group did that he would be jailed IMO.The race card has no place in this case IMO.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Oh my. Did FT get that nugget from the police report, too?

I have to admit, I enjoyed seeing NG :whip: him last night. And the funny thing is, he keeps coming back. We'll probably hear him ask about her twins tomorrow, that is if Mr. Zimmerman's ex-attorneys don't elbow him out of the camera's view.

Why isn't anyone who claims to represent GZ coming forward with some facts we can use, like the medical evidence?

BBM

Cause they're talkers, NOT magicians. :rocker:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Pontiac Teacher Fired For Trayvon Fundraiser Says ‘I’m Confused’

April 11, 2012 9:18 AM

Reporting Charlie Langton

PONTIAC (Talk Radio 1270) She says she’s still confused, but the teacher who was fired after trying to create a fundraiser for Trayvon Martin’s family isn’t just moving on.

Brooke Harris is fighting back.

Harris and supporter Rev. Charles Williams are planning a rally outside the school next Monday if the superintendent doesn’t hire her back by Friday. About 200 people attended a similar rally Tuesday...

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/04...ired-for-trayvon-fundraiser-says-im-confused/

 

[Karmady]

That's all fine and dandy. I don't blame them for trying to cover their arses nine ways to Sunday.

But why continue to grandstand for 45 solid minutes regurgitating every minute detail of the case as they know it according to George Zimmerman?
This presser (or media event) should have lasted five minutes, tops. A simple, "We have decided to step down because..." would have been sufficient.

bbm

That I don't know. For the sake of my sanity and because I think it's the right thing to do, I'm trying to stay away from speculating about that which I don't know or at least have a very well-founded basis to speculate about.

 

[Steft50]

I haven't been following this case, but just occasionally reading the highlights. Imagine my surprise to learn that "Mr. Stand Your Ground" has left the state.

I guess that is what happens when you learn armed men are out there looking for you.

I mentioned yesterday, if my memory is correct, that GZ disappeared well before there were threats against him, he left before the bounty was put out, he left before this whole thing was even a blip in the local media, much less the national media.

If he had nothing to hide then why go into hiding before his safety was even an issue?