17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #29

[KrazyKatLadi]

If I was GZ, I'd have asked to stay in jail. The free people in FL scare me about as badly as the convicts!

 

[Phoenixfla]

If I was GZ, I'd have asked to stay in jail. The free people in FL scare me about as badly as the convicts!

Not all of us are nuts. Close though.

 

[Reader]

No, but the person responsible for someone's death saying that they're sorry for the death... Yeah, I'd say that's taking about as much responsibility as you can on the witness stand in court without completely impeaching yourself.

AFAIC, what GZ said impeached himself TO ME since the 'apology' was only a legal strategy suggested by his lawyer and further he lied while making it and also called the killing/death of Trayvon just a loss.

Where was the spontaneous apology shortly after the incident when he was hiding out and sending out his friends, family and legal advisers to push his versionS of what happened to make excuses for why he killed Trayvon?

 

[Desdemona]

This statement in my signature line was quoted from Sybrina on April 7, 2012. As of April 20, 2012, I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that both of Trayvon's parents are angry now, rightly so. They were forced to listen to this pitiful excuse of a man justify his reasoning for murdering their son. He's sorry they lost their son? They didn't lose anything. Trayvon's not missing. He murdered their son. He hunted him with his "tactical flashlights" and his 9-mm gun with hollow-point bullets like prey and murdered him and then has the gall to sit on a witness stand and say he is sorry for the loss of their son. Additionally, he didn't realize how old Trayvon was? Seriously? He identified his age as late teens and referred to him as a "kid" in his 911 call. Last but certainly not least, he can shoot to kill without even knowing if Trayvon was armed or not? He admitted that on the stand. Yea, I'd say they are pretty angry, rightly so. I'll be sure to dig up a more appropriate quote by them to include in my signature line to reflect their feelings after April 20, 2012.
~jmo~

Thank you for replying.

 

[m00c0w]

AFAIC, what GZ said impeached himself TO ME since the 'apology' was only a legal strategy suggested by his lawyer and further he lied while making it and also called the killing/death of Trayvon just a loss.

Where was the spontaneous apology shortly after the incident when he was hiding out and sending out his friends, family and legal advisers to push his versionS of what happened to make excuses for why he killed Trayvon?

I meant impeach in the legal sense. The prosecution couldn't come back and say, "You said you're sorry for killing him... Why are you sorry if you felt it was justified? That doesn't make sense. If I felt my life was in danger, I wouldn't apologize for killing my assailant."

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

AFAIC, what GZ said impeached himself TO ME since the 'apology' was only a legal strategy suggested by his lawyer and further he lied while making it and also called the killing/death of Trayvon just a loss.

Where was the spontaneous apology shortly after the incident when he was hiding out and sending out his friends, family and legal advisers to push his versionS of what happened to make excuses for why he killed Trayvon?

Spontaneous? Should he have done this on NG? Or a letter to the paper? Or maybe sent flowers and a card? Really?

How often does someone actually apologize in a situation like this? From GZ's standpoint, saying sorry is somewhat ridiculous I'd think. JMO

 

[Desdemona]

But will it match up against the evidence? That's another important thing. His story is going to really have to hold up to what was found at that scene. It also really depends on Trayvon's autopsy report too. We have no idea if the only injury Trayvon had was a gunshot wound? We don't even know if George had any defensive wounds? I would think if someone was hitting you in the face, you would try and cover your face? When Trayvon was "covering his mouth" with his hands -- did he bite him? Spit on him? Was his saliva found on Trayvon's hands? Get what I'm saying? How was he able to "scream" so loud for help with Trayvon's hand over his mouth?

There is so much more to this than just George's word. The State has come to the conclusion that George's word does not match up to the evidence and, IMO, that is why he is facing 2nd degree murder.

MOO

Because you quoted my reply to a previous post, I want to clarify that I was in no way commenting on whether GZ's word was all that should be taken into account. I was replying to a post speculating about conflicts between GZ's statements and the stories that have been attributed to him by folks who have gone on camera. My point was that I think his sworn statements will hold much more weight than the versions given by people who have claimed to represent or speak for him on TV.

As for your points, I agree with what I've bolded above. JMO

 

[grandmaj]

Clarifications

Personalizing posts.

What Proof do you have. (wrong)
Do you have a link please (correct)

Whenever possible do not address a poster directly saying things like "YOU SAID". "YOU THINK". Those type of posts are always going to be a problem.

Discussing other posters



Wrong..... Seems like a whole group of posters want to have it both ways.

There is no right way to categorize other posters or discuss other posters in your posts. It is a serious problem so don't do it. Your post should be what you think, what you believe, what facts you bring to the thread, Never group or characterize other posters. You might not have a clue what another poster is thinking. It is divisive, it is an infraction of our rules and considered baiting to cause upset. And if I continue to see it from this point I'm going for the ray gun.

When a person specifies something is their opinion, don't ask for a link, don't attack them for their opinion. If you disagree either walk on by or respectfully disagree. If you can politely ask them to help you better understand, that is allowed. But never use the attack mode.

We are not here to convince another poster you are right and they are wrong and should change their opinion. Everyone has a right to speak out without fear of being hammered each time they do so.

Please respect your fellow posters even if you disagree.

 

[Nova]

If I was GZ, I'd have asked to stay in jail. The free people in FL scare me about as badly as the convicts!

I wonder about the whole emphasis on getting GZ out of the state.

I and everyone I know here in Southern California is following the case. Why would GZ be necessarily safer here? (Not that I or anyone I know would harm him. But assuming there are people who would...)

 

[Desdemona]

Actually, I don't think the location or cause of his injury has anything to do with that line. I would bet more money than I could ever afford that that picture was edited. Flash glare doesn't create a straight line on a round head, I don't care how bright it is. That white section on his head appears to have been completely edited out.

<BBM>

Wow, do I ever wish right now that I were a betting person, and that you had a LOT of money. :wink:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Over the last hour or so, CNN has been teasing that "GZ could be released at any moment," but I haven't heard anything definite yet. In the meantime, here's a new article from my Comcast homepage:

Zimmerman urged to keep low profile after release
Print By MIKE SCHNEIDER, AP
3 hours ago

SANFORD, Fla. &#8212; George Zimmerman is getting out of jail. Now his defense team has to worry about keeping the neighborhood watch volunteer accused of gunning down Trayvon Martin safe on the outside.

Defense attorneys for other high-profile clients who awaited trial on bail had advice for how to protect the man whose shooting of the unarmed black 17-year-old sparked nationwide protests: Get him out of Florida, keep him from going out in public and never leave him alone.

"He clearly puts himself in jeopardy unless he takes precautions," said New York attorney Barry Slotnick, who represented subway shooter Bernhard Goetz in the 1980s.

A half dozen reporters, photographers and cameramen began staking out the Seminole County Jail early Saturday in Sanford, a day after a Florida judge agreed to let Zimmerman out on $150,000 bail. Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said it would take a few days before Zimmerman is released. His family needs time to secure collateral for the bail, Zimmerman needs to be fitted with an electronic monitoring device and O'Mara said he must find a secure location for him...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120420/US.Neighborhood.Watch/

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

I wonder about the whole emphasis on getting GZ out of the state.

I and everyone I know here in Southern California is following the case. Why would GZ be necessarily safer here? (Not that I or anyone I know would harm him. But assuming there are people who would...)

That seems odd to me also. If he really wanted to stay hidden I'm sure he could in FL. Its not like the rest of the USA doesn't at least watch HLN

 

[Desdemona]

How does "Sorry for your loss" take responsibility? It's a standard phrase that can be used by anyone with no involvement in the death whatsoever.

Again, to my knowledge GZ has never once disputed the fact that he shot and killed TM. JMO

 

[Nova]

AFAIC, what GZ said impeached himself TO ME since the 'apology' was only a legal strategy suggested by his lawyer and further he lied while making it and also called the killing/death of Trayvon just a loss.

Where was the spontaneous apology shortly after the incident when he was hiding out and sending out his friends, family and legal advisers to push his versionS of what happened to make excuses for why he killed Trayvon?

I don't think the apology means anything, although I think it was more likely GZ's strategy than his lawyer's. Lawyers rarely want their clients to say anything in public.

But this business of blaming people for using common English seems unfair. Rightly or wrongly, in American English we say, "I'm sorry for your loss."

Yes, it is an inadequate expression, but what expression would really console anybody? Only a very, very close friend could know, if even then. The rest of us say what we can.

And NO defendant in a justifiable homicide/SYG case is going to say s/he is sorry s/he pulled the trigger on the stand. Such an utterance could only be used against him or her.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Thank you for replying. It doesn't seem to be in the CNN transcript (link below, correct me if I'm wrong), but that is only the transcript of their coverage; it could be else where. IMO it's odd that no one in MSM has been trumpeting this new information from the rooftops, if it's true that GZ's statement was that TM circled his truck three times. I'll keep looking. JMO

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.02.html

I was watching CNN, HLN and Insessions druing the hearing, when one would go to a commercial I would go to another one to watch. I noted it during the hearing in a post. Zimmerman said Martin ran around the truck 3 times in his statement.

 

[ThoughtFox]

AFAIC, what GZ said impeached himself TO ME since the 'apology' was only a legal strategy suggested by his lawyer and further he lied while making it and also called the killing/death of Trayvon just a loss.

Where was the spontaneous apology shortly after the incident when he was hiding out and sending out his friends, family and legal advisers to push his versionS of what happened to make excuses for why he killed Trayvon?

I'm still trying to figure out the part about Trayvon looking as old as George, and he's 28. At what point did he make that judgment about age, and what possible difference does it make to the situation?

He knew the kid's age after a few days, but he still sent his family and Taaffe on the talk-show circuit to justify what he did and explain why Trayvon seemed suspicious to him. None of George's surrogates mentioned Trayvon's age as a factor. Therefore, the so-called "apology" is disingenuous, and too little too late.

And any of those spokespeople could have said that George was sorry right away but they didn't.

Does George mean that if he had known Trayvon was younger he wouldn't have started shouting at him and might have explained things better? That's a lame defense because he should have explained to anyone of any age why he was following them around the complex.

Is he saying that he can understand why a teenage boy might react in a defensive way with a shot of adrenaline causing a fight? Is he going to stop calling it an "attack" from Trayvon now that he knows the boy's age? I don't think so.

Therefore, it raises more questions for me than it answers.

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

I don't get the big deal about age. There are 13 year olds that could take me down and 50 year olds that can't...and I'm sure the opposite. Teenagers do horrible things...I don't feel worse for TM because of age. JMO

 

[2goldfish]

Yep - all dirty scoundrels till you need one.

not all! I'm very fond of mark nejame, mr hornsby, and a fella in the metro detroit area whose name I cant recall (I'm getting old, guys!)

 

[Karmady]

I don't think the apology means anything, although I think it was more likely GZ's strategy than his lawyer's. Lawyers rarely want their clients to say anything in public.

But this business of blaming people for using common English is ridiculous. Rightly or wrongly, in American English we say, "I'm sorry for your loss."Yes, it is an inadequate expression, but what expression would really console anybody? Only a very, very close friend could know, if even then. The rest of us say what we can.

And NO defendant in a justifiable homicide/SYG case is going to say s/he is sorry s/he pulled the trigger on the stand. Such an utterance could only be used against him or her.

bbm~

ITA. Grieving parents are not known for their rationality -- as is completely understandable. I know if something terrible happened to my child I would have to be medicated for a very long time and would be inconsolable and, probably, completely irrational. That's why I think it's important to make a distinction between that behavior being understandable and it being 100% justified. For a grieving parent to object to the use of the term "loss" is understandable, but not completely rational or justified, imo.

I also think that using the word "apology" creates a problem here because it connotes culpabibility. In general, what people who are "sorry for your loss" are expressing are condolences. They are not making apologies, since they are not culpable for the death. Here, there are many, including Trayvon's parents, who think that GZ is culpable. GZ believes that he is not culpable, and some others, like myself, have not drawn a conclusion one way or the other. So what we're really talking about, imo, is the parents wanting an apology and GZ offering condolences instead. Whether or not his condolences are sincere is, imo, a separate question that I cannot know the answer to.

 

[2goldfish]

That seems odd to me also. If he really wanted to stay hidden I'm sure he could in FL. Its not like the rest of the USA doesn't at least watch HLN

offender anthony manages and I'd blow dandelion seeds in her yard over GZ's.