17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #31

[Emeralgem]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't chief Lee along with Wolfinger make the decision not to charge GZ ?

Yes, that be the two..

 

[Donjeta]

Of course not. But I am saying that LE made their assumptions, and Trayvons family made theirs. Both were very wrong, in hindsight.

LE makes assumptions based upon their everyday experiences. They jump to conclusions falsely sometimes. But I have a tremendous amount of respect for them and the dangerous job they do.

Certainly...I wouldn't be up to that job, ever.

I just hope that jumping to conclusions does not very often lead to haphazard homicide investigations because you don't get a chance to do that initial investigation and the first interviews again.

 

[TonyGatto]

Lee and Wolfinger will be, as we say, "pursuing other opportunities."

 

[HiHater]

I regress to a topic from yesterday because I wasn't signed in to comment on it then. It really looks to me like the jackets in the bloody head photo & the police video are different. I took screen shot of the video where the two are shown side by side.

http://bit.ly/GZHead

Unfortunately, most versions of this bloody photo are zoomed in more, showing collar only; and, this fuller one is obstructed by the ABC banner. Still, it couldn't be any clearer, the way my eyes see it, that bloody head jacket does not have the black stripe across the back. I also have another lightened version, I'll post later, that does show he has cell in right hand & the lower sleeve is black, where at P.D. lower sleeve is red. Apologize if everyone is done with this already. I didn't see the full thread, just happened upon the links to the videos & found this to be very interesting.

If true they are different, it doesn't mean he changed jackets within the 1/2 hour, but more likely that the bloody photo staged (many other reasons it seems to be). Yes, date/time/GPS metadata in photos CAN be edited.

I'm sorry, but it's the same jacket...IMO

 

[Sensei]

BBM

I thought that was just speculation here. Is there an MSM link that confirms this?

We have links that confirm very darn little, it was very early in the investigation and everyone was asking about the phone and SPD claimed that they family had it, and the family said they didn't and it is referenced in some of the paperwork, but we have so little to go on that we don't really know what was done or not done....we have a pretty good idea of what Should have been done....and a few things that we know were simply NOT done, and some that really were done,

If everything is on the up and up, thorough investigation, every angle covered hard work done, and then a decision is made that there is no evidence,,,fine, it happens, don't like it but it happens.. but if this is the case, then what is all the secrecy about? Just give us the facts,,,we're not stupid, we can sort them out, Secrecy usually means that there is something to hide, and lies mean that there is something to hide...I don't like either of them in my personal life, or in a criminal case. At some point I hope to see some original documents that tell us what really transpired that night, if not with GZ and TM, but with the SPD and the statements and witnesses.

 

[raeann]

So 66 is the magic age? Why not at 67? Or 65? Or 83?

I think most people would find the timing of his resignation and the chief's offered resignation a little bit weird...

Yes, exactly, seems to be that he was the SAME age and had the SAME family before this incident and it didn't seem to be important to change his employment and spend time with them then......just sayin'....

 

[m00c0w]

Yes, exactly, seems to be that he was the SAME age and had the SAME family before this incident and it didn't seem to be important to change his employment and spend time with them then......just sayin'....

He's not resigning... He's just not running for re-election.

 

[MaryAnn]

Yes, exactly, seems to be that he was the SAME age and had the SAME family before this incident and it didn't seem to be important to change his employment and spend time with them then......just sayin'....

I agree. He was just busted and figures he won't be able to get away with his little games anymore if you ask me. JMO of course.

 

[raeann]

He's not resigning... He's just not running for re-election.

Yes, however, if your job is an ELECTED position, and you choose not to run for re-election, then you are pretty much assured to be changing your employment status.


jmo

 

[CathyinTexas]

I'm sorry if you feel I am I am being snarky. It was not intended. I appolgize if that is how I came across.



I'll have to disagree with you there. Please listen to the excellent interview with Richard Hornsby on Websleuths Radio if you feel TM was within his rights to throw the first punch. They discuss it in great detail.

Richard Hornsby is a defense attorney so I think he usually is biased toward the defendant. So I don't give what he says much weight because I don't think he is impartial. I also believe the SA knows very well what the law is and what is allowed. They say they have facts and evidence to back up their charge. I trust that. jmo

 

[m00c0w]

We have links that confirm very darn little, it was very early in the investigation and everyone was asking about the phone and SPD claimed that they family had it, and the family said they didn't and it is referenced in some of the paperwork, but we have so little to go on that we don't really know what was done or not done....we have a pretty good idea of what Should have been done....and a few things that we know were simply NOT done, and some that really were done,

If everything is on the up and up, thorough investigation, every angle covered hard work done, and then a decision is made that there is no evidence,,,fine, it happens, don't like it but it happens.. but if this is the case, then what is all the secrecy about? Just give us the facts,,,we're not stupid, we can sort them out, Secrecy usually means that there is something to hide, and lies mean that there is something to hide...I don't like either of them in my personal life, or in a criminal case. At some point I hope to see some original documents that tell us what really transpired that night, if not with GZ and TM, but with the SPD and the statements and witnesses.

The "secrecy" is that it's an ongoing investigation. I have never seen police release many details of ongoing investigations. Once it hits the trial phase, that's a different story. I was actually surprised they released as much as they did.

 

[Emeralgem]

Yes from what we've been told. Remember the supposed 3 a.m. meeting where Wolfinger drove quite a distance to attend? There is so much going on in Sanford and we've only scratched the surface. For Lee and Wolfinger to jeopardize both of their careers, there is a whole lot more than what we know. If we can find out the answers to this, everything else will make sense.



~jmo~

What we need are a few good investigative reporters with integrity and a backbone, reporters who don't bow and scrape to whomever its is responsible for signing their paychecks.. JMHO

 

[m00c0w]

Yes, however, if your job is an ELECTED position, and you choose not to run for re-election, then you are pretty much assured to be changing your employment status.


jmo

Sure. But you're asking "why now" and not earlier... Well, he wasn't up for re-election earlier. It's not like he's resigning all of a sudden. He's riding out his term and not seeking re-election.

 

[katydid23]

So the opposite must be true---why did they assume he DIDN'T live there?

Because he had no house keys or car keys, and no ID, and none of the witnesses recognized him. So they had a few clues which made it seem he was not a resident, imo.

Plus, maybe they looked at his phone and saw it had a Miami pre-fix.
And, they had arrested people in the complex for breaking into homes. So putting all of that info together, they assumed he was from out of town and may have been casing the complex.

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[Sensei]

Richard Hornsby is a defense attorney so I think he usually is biased toward the defendant. So I don't give what he says much weight because I don't think he is impartial. I also believe the SA knows very well what the law is and what is allowed. They say they have facts and evidence to back up their charge. I trust that. jmo

I do beleive that they have something that would explain the charges, since I am firmly of the opinion that they have not overcharged, but I am haunted by the spectre of Micheal Nifong. Sadly Prosecutorial misconduct does indeed occasionally happen. I would hope that it has not in this instance, but there is in fact that distinct possibility, as much as I hate to admit it.

 

[grandmaj]

Stop with the victim bashing. On either side! Minors names are never mentioned. We protect minors.

 

[CathyinTexas]

Did the gf say TM was running, are there witnesses to the fact that he was running or are we just assuming that he was because GZ said so?

Putting all things together it is pretty evident that he ran for a brief time, when she told him to run from the guy who looked like he wanted to do something to Trayvon. Then he stopped running according to her and said he would walk fast. Then we have GZ saying that he was running so we can assume he ran for a brief time.

 

[LambChop]

Putting all things together it is pretty evident that he ran for a brief time, when she told him to run from the guy who looked like he wanted to do something to Trayvon. Then he stopped running according to her and said he would walk fast. Then we have GZ saying that he was running so we can assume he ran for a brief time.

Do you happen to have a link to that because I never remember reading that?? Only that she asked him to run and he said no, he would walk fast. I see if I can find it also. I just don't remember anyone other than GZ saying TM was running. jmo

 

[who]

Because he had no house keys or car keys, and no ID, and none of the witnesses recognized him. So they had a few clues which made it seem he was not a resident, imo.

Plus, maybe they looked at his phone and saw it had a Miami pre-fix.
And, they had arrested people in the complex for breaking into homes. So putting all of that info together, they assumed he was from out of town and may have been casing the complex.

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Two minor things; Likely they didn't have that info for the phone, o/w they would have been able to get more info off the phone immediately. They were very lax in this area, as we know.

Re: Keys. I looked up the RE info for houses there. Seems the doors are punch code security locks, therefore, no keys necessary.

 

[CathyinTexas]

Nor is there any evidence that indicates that Trayvon threw the first punch either.


~jmo~

My personal belief is that Trayvon was in defensive mode the whole time, I do not believe he ever was the aggressor. If we base the jury on our WS discussion/views then I think it might be a hung jury due < mod snip >. jmo