17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #31

[m00c0w]

You would think so. They are trained in that sort of thing.

Why? At 10:30, it looked like only a few investigators were left at the actual crime scene, based on the news footage. If the family came in from the front, as some suggest, why would any individuals at the crime scene have seen them?

 

[LambChop]

I think what she was trying to say is that if you're gonna railroad a man for political reasons, it's particularly unacceptable to railroad someone who has a respected 30-year career and a family with little children. jmo

Isn't that true of most political figures who have looked the other way because of political influence and pressure put on them. Is that the case here? We don't know but I bet we are about to find out.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...te-attorney-norm-wolfinger-special-prosecutor

So after 27 years Mr. Wolfinger is not seeking reelection. The irony is rich. jmo

 

[annalia]

I don't think they went knocking on any doors or one of the close neighbors would have known him.

Good point, it would be a logical conclusion that had they tried to knock on the girlfriend's door they would have knocked on all of the surrounding doors. Unless no one in that entire area happened to be home at that time, highly unlikely though.

JMHO

 

[m00c0w]

I don't think they went knocking on any doors or one of the close neighbors would have known him.

Why do you say that? It's been pointed out several times here how we don't know how often he came to the neighborhood. If it was the fiancée's son, I could see that, but I don't know why neighbors would be expected to know and positively identify Martin who may have only been there once or twice. Why isn't it just possible that the brother didn't hear the door for whatever reason? That seems like the most likely scenario.

 

[katydid23]

You would think so. They are trained in that sort of thing.

So the police, not finding any id on the victim, should assume he lived there?
You are blaming LE for not knowing where Trayvons dads girlfriend lived?

They did talk to all of the witnesses and none of them recognized Trayvon. He had no housekeys or IDentification.

Since he was just a child, why didnt anyone know where he was? You cannot claim he was just a child and then ignore the implications that presents, imo.

 

[m00c0w]

Good point, it would be a logical conclusion that had they tried to knock on the girlfriend's door they would have knocked on all of the surrounding doors. Unless no one in that entire area happened to be home at that time, highly unlikely though.

JMHO

That's a false dichotomy. It's also possible no one in the surrounding houses knew who Martin was.

 

[LambChop]

Why? At 10:30, it looked like only a few investigators were left at the actual crime scene, based on the news footage. If the family came in from the front, as some suggest, why would any individuals at the crime scene have seen them?

Their condo is closer to the back gate. They could have come in that way and would have seen nothing. If your drapes are drawn and blinds are closed to the backyard you would never know something happened back there because it was cleaned up long before morning. jmo

 

[Boytwnmom]

you can tell your attorney anything and he can't tell (except very limited prevention of crime stuff) anyone BUT if you tell him you did it or wnatever he can't put you on the stand if he knows you will say you didn't do it or otherwise offer false testimony. But it's a fine line that I'm sure defense attorenys dance with a lot. But, that's why a defense atty may not want to know IF you did it-as it limits the options available regarding the defendants testimony. But that doesn't change attorney client privilege.

Rule 4-3.3 Candor Toward the Tribunal
(a) False Evidence; Duty to Disclose.

A lawyer shall not knowingly:

(1) make a false statement of material fact or law to a tribunal;

(2) fail to disclose a material fact to a tribunal when disclosure is necessary to avoid assisting a criminal or fraudulent act by the client;

(3) fail to disclose to the tribunal legal authority in the controlling jurisdiction known to the lawyer to be directly adverse to the position of the client and not disclosed by opposing counsel; or

(4) permit any witness, including a criminal defendant, to offer testimony or other evidence that the lawyer knows to be false. A lawyer may not offer testimony that the lawyer knows to be false in the form of a narrative unless so ordered by the tribunal. If a lawyer has offered material evidence and thereafter comes to know of its falsity, the lawyer shall take reasonable remedial measures.

That's weird, I've always heard the opposite. It seems like your lawyer would need to know the full story to prepare for what the prosecution has up its sleeve.

I also thought that was why attorney-client privilege existed, so that people could be open/honest...

JMO though...interesting stuff!

 

[m00c0w]

Their condo is closer to the back gate. They could have come in that way and would have seen nothing. If your drapes are drawn and blinds are closed to the backyard you would never know something happened back there because it was cleaned up long before morning. jmo

Exactly. I'm asking why were the police expected to see the family, when the family isn't expected to see the police?

 

[tehcloser]

Isn't that true of most political figures who have looked the other way because of political influence and pressure put on them. Is that the case here? We don't know but I bet we are about to find out.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...te-attorney-norm-wolfinger-special-prosecutor

So after 27 years Mr. Wolfinger is not seeking reelection. The irony is rich. jmo

Veryyyyyyyyy interestinggggggggggg.

 

[LinasK]

It has been stated by GZ's family and Taaffe and Joe Oliver that he had a party to celebrate, even though he had not finished. The College confirmed to the press that he had withdrawn after the killing. Note that it is a State College, which in Florida means it is what used to be called a Community College, typically a starting place for education.

Here is a Fox station that has info about his school as well as many of the other failures that I cited. This is one of many articles that I found by googling GZ and Seminole State College. http://www.ctnow.com/news/nationworld/la-na-nn-george-zimmerman-20120323,0,3451679.story

I realize this is slightly off-topic, but the more I hear about George Zimmerman, the more he sounds like a combination of Casey Anthony and Joran Van Der Sloot!!!
Celebrating school they never finished, sense of entitlement, father is judge/LE...

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Why do you say that? It's been pointed out several times here how we don't know how often he came to the neighborhood. If it was the fiancée's son, I could see that, but I don't know why neighbors would be expected to know and positively identify Martin who may have only been there once or twice. Why isn't it just possible that the brother didn't hear the door for whatever reason? That seems like the most likely scenario.

They would never know if they didn't ask and it appears they didn't ask.

 

[Adrienne37]

He disregarded his own 30 year career by making statements in the manner that he did. His children are irrelevant in the matter...IMO

I'll take it one step further - he disregarded his own 30 year career by not conducting a proper criminal investigation and covering up facts. He was brought in as chief of police to help straighten out the department after the allegations that took place during the Justin Collison spectacle, instead what does he do? Absolutely nothing!!! As a side note, his children have absolutely nothing to do with Trayvon's murder.


~jmo~

 

[Sensei]

Why? At 10:30, it looked like only a few investigators were left at the actual crime scene, based on the news footage. If the family came in from the front, as some suggest, why would any individuals at the crime scene have seen them?

They may not have, but I find it difficult to believe that they knocked on ANY doors. Until we have a doc dump that shows the extent and breadth of the original investigation we may never know what they did and did not do in it's entirety. Heck, we still don't know what actually happened to Trayvon's phone since PD says they didn't have it, when it should have been collected as evidence at the crime scene, and the family (who would have no way of getting it out of evidence) claim that they didn't have it, and the only way the phone call from the girlfriend was found was in the call logs on that phone from Tracy's account.

It does seem to appear that for a PD that did nothing wrong, they did very little right either....we have rumors that they collected GZ's clothing, but we are reasonably sure they didn't test for drugs and alcohol, did they look at his hands at all? We just don't know...we do know that what they have for documentation of his injuries is woefully inadequate, so what else was inadequate?

 

[m00c0w]

They would never know if they didn't ask and it appears they didn't ask.

Based on what articulable evidence?

 

[annalia]

I realize this is slightly off-topic, but the more I hear about George Zimmerman, the more he sounds like a combination of Casey Anthony and Joran Van Der Sloot!!!

I've thought for a while now that he reminded me of JVDS, especially when it comes to whatever he says and does must always be someone elses fault, no personal responsibility for anything.

JMHO

 

[m00c0w]

They may not have, but I find it difficult to believe that they knocked on ANY doors. Until we have a doc dump that shows the extent and breadth of the original investigation we may never know what they did and did not do in it's entirety. Heck, we still don't know what actually happened to Trayvon's phone since PD says they didn't have it, when it should have been collected as evidence at the crime scene, and the family (who would have no way of getting it out of evidence) claim that they didn't have it, and the only way the phone call from the girlfriend was found was in the call logs on that phone from Tracy's account.

It does seem to appear that for a PD that did nothing wrong, they did very little right either....we have rumors that they collected GZ's clothing, but we are reasonably sure they didn't test for drugs and alcohol, did they look at his hands at all? We just don't know...we do know that what they have for documentation of his injuries is woefully inadequate, so what else was inadequate?

BBM

I thought that was just speculation here. Is there an MSM link that confirms this?

 

[HiHater]

Isn't that true of most political figures who have looked the other way because of political influence and pressure put on them. Is that the case here? We don't know but I bet we are about to find out.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...te-attorney-norm-wolfinger-special-prosecutor

So after 27 years Mr. Wolfinger is not seeking reelection. The irony is rich. jmo

Another one bites the dust...:seeya:

 

[Donjeta]

So the police, not finding any id on the victim, should assume he lived there?
You are blaming LE for not knowing where Trayvons dads girlfriend lived?

They did talk to all of the witnesses and none of them recognized Trayvon. He had no housekeys or IDentification.

Since he was just a child, why didnt anyone know where he was? You cannot claim he was just a child and then ignore the implications that presents, imo.

It seems to me that the family did know where he was. They knew he was going to go to the store and then walk back, which he did.

If he hadn't been shot he would never have been missing.

 

[uvamerica]

I'll take it one step further - he disregarded his own 30 year career by not conducting a proper criminal investigation and covering up facts. He was brought in as chief of police to help straighten out the department after the allegations that took place during the Justin Collison spectacle, instead what does he do? Absolutely nothing!!! As a side note, his children have absolutely nothing to do with Trayvon's murder.


~jmo~

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't chief Lee along with Wolfinger make the decision not to charge GZ ?