17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #31

[m00c0w]

Do you happen to have a link to that because I never remember reading that?? Only that she asked him to run and he said no, he would walk fast. I see if I can find it also. I just don't remember anyone other than GZ saying TM was running. jmo

I think it was in the initial ABC report of the phone call. Something to the effect of, "She told him to run, but he said he would just walk fast. Eventually, he did, she said, thinking he got away." (Not a direct quote, just paraphrasing from what I remember)

 

[Just K]

His father also testified at the hearing that he was in year three. Don't they give out associates after 2 years?

It would depend on if he switched majors, if he was only taking a few classes a quarter/semester whatever. The one MSM article I read, said GZ's major was actually not Criminology but General Studies.

Just because he took some Criminology classes does not mean he had enough credits for an AA or even that he declared that his major or minor.

 

[saguaro]

Richard Hornsby is a defense attorney so I think he usually is biased toward the defendant. So I don't give what he says much weight because I don't think he is impartial. I also believe the SA knows very well what the law is and what is allowed. They say they have facts and evidence to back up their charge. I trust that. jmo

In my opinion, he is basing his answers on the law since he is a lawyer in Florida.

I find him very interesting to listen to and I also like his voice.

:moo:

 

[LambChop]

"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," the girl said. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run."

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...on-martin-was-on-cellphone-when-he-was-shot/1

 

[Nova]

And sometimes they get away with it even when guilt is obvious to all involved. The worst case I can recall is David Westerfield's attorney agreeing for DW to tell where Danielle's body was in exchange for a deal. LE found her before that deal could be made, thank goodness. But the atty, obviously knowing his client had murdered and dumped her, nevertheless was allowed to rip the parents to shreds and point fingers at them during trial, as if his client were a perfectly innocent angel.

That attorney's conduct, more than any other, has always bothered me. I get that he was doing whatever he could get away with for his client, but it was all such an obvious ruse. Everyone knew about the almost-made deal to give up her remains location. He was unnecessarily vicious toward the parents - in any circumstance, but especially knowing what he knew. I don't know how that atty slept at night.

Westerfield's lawyer wrote an Op-Ed for a Southern California paper in which he argued that clients lie to their attorneys all the time and sometimes even confess to crimes they haven't committed; therefore the lawyer had no way of knowing whether Westerfield actually knew where the victim's body was located or even whether Westerfield was involved in the crime!

It was such a broad interpretation of attorney "knowledge" (or lack thereof) that it basically negated the entire concept of subornation of perjury, at least with regard to attorney-client communication.

So that's how HE sleeps at night. And, yes, it has always bothered me, too.

(ETA I've known and worked for a lot of defense attorneys. Every once in awhile you find a defense attorney who becomes convinced that the "game" is so stacked in the prosecution's favor that "bending the rules" comes to seem acceptable. On the whole, however, the defense attorneys I've known have been highly ethical and very much desirous of justice.)

 

[katydid23]

My personal belief is that Trayvon was in defensive mode the whole time, I do not believe he ever was the aggressor. If we base the jury on our WS discussion/views then I think it might be a hung jury < mod snip >. jmo

Jury selection is going to be everything in this case, imo. And it is going to be very hard to avoid a hung jury in the end. JMO

 

[LambChop]

I think it was in the initial ABC report of the phone call. Something to the effect of, "She told him to run, but he said he would just walk fast. Eventually, he did, she said, thinking he got away." (Not a direct quote, just paraphrasing from what I remember)

I'm not finding that quote by her only a suggestion that he did run which could be based on GZ's statement. jmo

 

[Reader]

Don't know if this has been posted or not...release of documents that will be updated as more are released:

http://www.flcourts18.org/presspublic.html

Below you will find media advisories and public record documents pertaining to State v. Zimmerman (2012-CF-001083-A). Please continue to check this website for updates. Documents will be posted as they are made available for public distribution.

I'm saving this one....

 

[katydid23]

"Become a Teacher in Louisiana | Teacher Certification in Louisiana ...
certificationmap.com/states/louisiana-teacher-certification/
Prerequisite Coursework Louisiana Prerequisite Coursework. All states require that certified teachers at a minimum have a Bachelor's degree. Additionally ..."

http://certificationmap.com/states/louisiana-teacher-certification/#prerequisite

No State allows an AA to teach in a public school (one that has public funding.) Additional certifications can be obtained beyond a Bachelor's degree. Those might be gotten through two year programs at CC.

She may have been talking about pre-school teachers. I think there is a 2 yr degree available which allows someone to work in a preschool.

Also, I think you can become a teachers aide with an AA. At least in California anyway.

 

[JeannaT]

I can't tell if this has been posted. Chief Lee's resignation rejected.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/23/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

[Just K]

Maybe it's different here.
Many of our teachers, for example, graduate from CC and they are highly qualified.

It's just cheaper.

"Become a Teacher in Louisiana | Teacher Certification in Louisiana ...
certificationmap.com/states/louisiana-teacher-certification/
Prerequisite Coursework Louisiana Prerequisite Coursework. All states require that certified teachers at a minimum have a Bachelor's degree. Additionally ..."

http://certificationmap.com/states/louisiana-teacher-certification/#prerequisite

No State allows an AA to teach in a public school (one that has public funding.) Additional certifications can be obtained beyond a Bachelor's degree. Those might be gotten through two year programs at CC.

 

[lauriej]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... nt=2411596
Out of jail, George Zimmerman fades from sight

--more@link---

“He may be free, but he's not free,” Mr. Baez said.

First, Mr. Zimmerman must limit who knows his whereabouts to avoid the risk someone will give the secret away, Mr. Baez said.

“Unfortunately, the people you think you trust, sometimes you find you just really can't,” Mr. Baez said.

Mr. Zimmerman needs to refrain from making any public statements, whether via social media sites like Facebook or Twitter or his own website, http://****.... both Mr. Baez and Mr. Ratliff said. Mr. Zimmerman is using his website to help raise money for his legal defence.

Early indications suggest that will be tough for Mr. Zimmerman to resist. After a judge agreed to release him on bond, a statement placed on his website said, “GZ hopes to be able to update the site in the next day or two, God willing. He sends his thanks for your thoughts and support.”

 

[mercuriod]

Don't know if this has been posted or not...release of documents that will be updated as more are released:

http://www.flcourts18.org/presspublic.html



I'm saving this one....

Thank you for that find, I am bookmarking that too.

 

[Aedrys]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... nt=2411596
Out of jail, George Zimmerman fades from sight

--more@link---

Oh good. That's just what this case needs is Jose Baez's opinion. Because both times Casey was out (the Padilla bond fiasco and now her one year probation), Baez did a GREAT job making sure she just faded away. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[m00c0w]

I'm not finding that quote by her only a suggestion that he did run which could be based on GZ's statement. jmo

"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," Martin's friend said. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run, but he said he was not going to run."

Eventually, he would run, said the girl, thinking that he'd managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/traynor-ma...-crucial-phone/story?id=15959017#.T5XlZjJYskJ

 

[mercuriod]

She may have been talking about pre-school teachers. I think there is a 2 yr degree available which allows someone to work in a preschool.

Also, I think you can become a teachers aide with an AA. At least in California anyway.

No, I specified certified teacher and she said that she would pull the info to prove she is correct, she has not posted that proof yet, neither privately as I suggested nor on the forum.

 

[LambChop]

Jury selection is going to be everything in this case, imo. And it is going to be very hard to avoid a hung jury in the end. JMO

Based on a recent case we have seen it is pretty hard to judge what a jury will or will not do. And just because someone owns a gun does not mean they naturally would think GZ did the right thing. I would say the majority of people who carry concealed weapons are responsible citizens and are even more aware of situations they need to avoid than those who do not carry. GZ demonstrated how irresponsible he was by getting out of the car to follow someone he suspected might be involved in committing a non-violent crime when in reality the person was just walking back to where they were staying for the weekend. jmo

 

[katydid23]

Two minor things; Likely they didn't have that info for the phone, o/w they would have been able to get more info off the phone immediately. They were very lax in this area, as we know.

Re: Keys. I looked up the RE info for houses there. Seems the doors are punch code security locks, therefore, no keys necessary.

Did LE know it was a security code lock at the time they first looked at the scene?
And the witnesses would have said they did not know him or recognize him.

And he had no car keys on him. No wallet. I am not sure why they would be considered lax about the phone. If he had it locked, then they had no way to get in there at the crime scene.

 

[Nova]

His father also testified at the hearing that he was in year three. Don't they give out associates after 2 years?

Only if you go full time and complete all the required courses. I can't speak for Florida, but California colleges are so crowded that lots of students can't get all the courses they need in 2 years. Many also work full-time and don't carry a full-time course load.

 

[Karmady]

He disregarded his own 30 year career by making statements in the manner that he did. His children are irrelevant in the matter...IMO

Not that anyone should EVER be railroaded, but I can definitely see that whether or not that person has a family to support makes it relatively worse in the eyes of someone who's trying to prevent the railroading. Just adds insult to injury and harms victims even more innocent than the "railroadee," imo