17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #31

[suzihawk]

That's an OP-ED piece. The police have said they have his clothing from that night.

I wasn't aware of this. Could you provide a link?

 

[m00c0w]

I wasn't aware of this. Could you provide a link?

Sanford police failed to collect key evidence in the case: the clothing of George Zimmerman, the gunman who killed Trayvon.

Not true, police said. They took his clothing as well as Trayvon's and packaged it for crime-lab analysis. A spokeswoman for Special Prosecutor Angela Corey would not disclose Tuesday where the clothing is now, but she wrote in an email that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement "is assisting with the processing of physical evidence."

Typically, evidence from Seminole County crime scenes is analyzed at the FDLE lab in Orlando.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...angela-corey-medical-examiner-releases-bodies

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[Just K]

I expect few parents would first assume murder.

Good thing the soon to be step-brother didn't go with Trayvon to 7-11 or there might be two dead sons.

 

[mercuriod]

I'm just wondering why we're talking about teacher's certificates and what this has to do with this case? :waitasec:

LOL, it started out having to do with whether GZ had his AA degree and just mushroomed from there. :giggle:

 

[Donjeta]

A teacher's certificate is just one of the degrees that Trayvon will never have.

 

[uvamerica]

Well, given he had 30 yrs of public service behind him, and now people are asking for his head, I was wondering what he did that was so wrong.

I think what he did wrong was that he and Wolfinger decided GZ was in the right without a full and proper investigation :moo:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Playing truth or lie with Chief Lee's statements in bold.



Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?
When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr.
Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time
was supported by physical evidence and testimony. By Florida Statute, law
enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based on the facts and
circumstances they had at the time. Additionally, when any police officer makes an
arrest for any reason, the officer MUST swear and affirm that he/she is making the
arrest in good faith and with probable cause. If the arrest is done maliciously and in
bad faith, the officer and the City may be held liable.







Why was George Zimmerman labeled as &#8220;squeaky clean&#8221; when in fact he has
a prior arrest history?
In one of the initial meetings with the father of the victim the investigator related to
him the account that Mr. Zimmerman provided of the incident. At that time the
investigator said that Mr. Zimmerman portrayed himself to be &#8220;squeaky clean&#8221;. We
are aware of the background information regarding both individuals involved in this
event. We believe Mr. Martin may have misconstrued this information.





The Sanford Police Department has conducted a complete and fair investigation of
this incident. We have provided the results of our investigation to the Office of the
State Attorney for their review and consideration for possible criminal prosecution.



http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf



I say they are all false. IMO

 

[HiHater]

And how many second trials after a mistrial result in a successful conviction?

If you have a link or stats, I'd be glad to see them? I'm not sure there's a compilation, but you seem to have some reservations?

 

[m00c0w]

I think what he did wrong was that he and Wolfinger decided GZ was in the right without a full and proper investigation :moo:

Did they? I don't recall either of them saying he had immunity for sure. Do you have a source that backs up these allegations?

 

[Reader]

Strictly JMO, but methinks that these moves by Lee and Wolfinger indicate their interviews with DOJ didn't go so well...

 

[m00c0w]

If you have a link or stats, I'd be glad to see them? I'm not sure there's a compilation, but you seem to have some reservations?

It just seems to me that it would logically be harder to prosecute a case the second time around (especially for cases that are already pretty hazy to begin with), and therefore there would be a lower conviction rate. I have no statistics. Just curious.

 

[Nova]

But no matter how long or why it takes someone to finish the required courses, it is still a 2-year degree, not a full bachelor's degree.

I know. My remarks were in response to a poster who asked how someone could be in the "third year" of a 2-year program. It happens all the time; in fact, it may be the rule rather than the exception nowadays, but I don't care enough to go looking for statistics.

Likewise, in California, it's very common for students to take five years to get a "4-year degree". The required courses are just too full.

 

[uvamerica]

O'Mara on Anderson 360 now

 

[HiHater]

Did they? I don't recall either of them saying he had immunity for sure. Do you have a source that backs up these allegations?

The fact that they didn't arrest him essentially means that in their eyes, he had immunity for sure. IMO JMO MOO

 

[Reader]

Did they? I don't recall either of them saying he had immunity for sure. Do you have a source that backs up these allegations?

To receive immunity the suspect has to be arrested, charged and go thru the SYG hearing before a judge. Lee and Wolfinger decided together that GZ didn't even need to be arrested or further investigated for killing Trayvon.

 

[katydid23]

I think what he did wrong was that he and Wolfinger decided GZ was in the right without a full and proper investigation :moo:

I don't think the investigation was over when Crump <mod snip> came onboard. I think they were still accumulating evidence and figuring things out.

Arrests are not always made the first night.

 

[m00c0w]

The fact that they didn't arrest him essentially means that in their eyes, he had immunity for sure.

Or that they were investigating, as has been the case with other SYG cases before this one. Ernestine Broxie wasn't arrested until almost a year later, and she shot the dude twice in the back, in his own home.

 

[HiHater]

It just seems to me that it would logically be harder to prosecute a case the second time around (especially for cases that are already pretty hazy to begin with), and therefore there would be a lower conviction rate. I have no statistics. Just curious.

I get what you mean. I can't imagine a hung jury with no second trial in such a high profile case. Unless GZ takes a slap on the wrist plea deal. JMO MOO IMO

 

[HiHater]

Or that they were investigating, as has been the case with other SYG cases before this one. Ernestine Broxie wasn't arrested until almost a year later, and she shot the dude twice in the back, in his own home.

They finished their investigation and forwarded the results to Wolfinger for possible prosecution.

 

[m00c0w]

To receive immunity the suspect has to be arrested, charged and go thru the SYG hearing before a judge. Lee and Wolfinger decided together that GZ didn't even need to be arrested or further investigated for killing Trayvon.

That is simply untrue. They cannot even arrest him until they can show probable cause, per the Florida statute. Apparently, they did not feel they met this requirement at the time. And then convened a grand jury to decide. They were given all of... three weeks to complete an investigation and press charges? How long did it take Corey? :waitasec: