17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #34

[Rhyme & Reason]

Late night shopping trips to Target to get milk can be expensive............

Yes, milk and tactical flashlights.

 

[Adrienne37]

So the president of the Florida Bar Association is going to say on the air in front of millions of people, a lie about fed exing the accounts? Why would he do that?

When has the president of the Florida Bar Association spoken about this case?



~jmo~

 

[Adrienne37]

A million dollars to a deserving organization is very generous indeed. And undeniably very good publicity for Crump's firm and his smiling face. IMO. Wasn't this media story and photo in relation to the $7.4 million settlement Crump's firm won in the 2007 Martin Lee Anderson "boot camp" case?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/..._martin-lee-anderson-boot-camp-military-style

I have no information as to how much of that settlement went to the victim's family, and how much Crump's firm netted. But hypothetically, a 30% contingency fee (low to average rate for a high-dollar case IMO) would mean the attorneys' share would be in excess of $2 million.

The million-dollar donation would have left them with a cool million-plus, and a priceless amount of good press. Nothing wrong with that, but IMO I find it informative to objectively look at the bigger picture for context. I'm interested in Crump's motives. In the Trayvon case, I'm not sure he has always acted 100% in the best interests of Trayvon' mom and dad, but that's just MO.

I wonder:

Could Crump be the "witness" the judge was referring to -- the one he said was getting a bit too much media face-time?

JMO
/bbm

and exactly what could Benjamin Crump testify to? He wasn't there the night Zimmerman murdered Trayvon.


~jmo~

 

[Nova]

I believe all the states have variations...jmo

They do. And the concept of "stand your ground" is built into California's concept of self-defense, even though CA isn't on the list. We just don't have a special immunity hearing before a trial.

 

[Sensei]

Oh, thanks. Didn't know that. I'll keep my eyes on that thread because I think the boys might end up being charged then.

But, you have to admit, it really does bring things into perspective when looking at this case and how utterly disgusting it was for George to follow after Trayvon, with a loaded gun, when all he was doing was walking down the street.

MOO

Not at all saying that it is not a tragedy, not at all saying that I think it was wise for them to shoot, BUT the difference is that there WAS a felony in progress, and that in and of itself is going to change a lot of things such as excitement level and adrenalin, actual physical changes that may impair judgement, and in this case the fact that the person was shot may have been pure accident, if they were in effect firing blind.

Trayvon was committing no crime, and as far as we know there was no crime committed that night until he was shot, there was no reason for someone to be hypervigilant and trigger happy, or to even be running around with a loaded gun chasing someone that they claim they thought was on drugs or up to no good. IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[katydid23]

This has been said so many times now (by a lot of posters--I don't mean that you have been repetitive) that I just have to ask: on what basis are posters insisting that GZ should have been charged with manslaughter rather than 2nd degree murder.

Obviously, a successful SYG appeal would negate either. So what is the available evidence that proves manslaughter, but can't be interpreted to support 2nd degree?

In my experience in California, the difference can be a very close call.

I think the evidence for involuntary manslaughter is there already, no questions asked. GZ followed someone, while he was armed, and he verbally confronted him at the very least, setting forth the death of Trayvon. So imo, even if TM had taken a shot at GZ, or shoved him, or gone for the gun, it was still GZ who put this horrible tragedy into motion, imo.

I do not believe GZ wanted to shoot anyone that night or set up the killing with the 911 call, or was looking for an innocent kid to kill, not at all. I think it was the perfect tragic storm.

 

[uvamerica]

JVM starting again

 

[LolaMoon08]

Not at all saying that it is not a tragedy, not at all saying that I think it was wise for them to shoot, BUT the difference is that there WAS a felony in progress, and that in and of itself is going to change a lot of things such as excitement level and adrenalin, actual physical changes that may impair judgement, and in this case the fact that the person was shot may have been pure accident, if they were in effect firing blind.

Trayvon was committing no crime, and as far as we know there was no crime committed that night until he was shot, there was no reason for someone to be hypervigilant and trigger happy, or to even be running around with a loaded gun chasing someone that they claim they thought was on drugs or up to no good. IMO JMHO and stuff.

I couldn't agree more!

 

[jjenny]

Not at all saying that it is not a tragedy, not at all saying that I think it was wise for them to shoot, BUT the difference is that there WAS a felony in progress, and that in and of itself is going to change a lot of things such as excitement level and adrenalin, actual physical changes that may impair judgement, and in this case the fact that the person was shot may have been pure accident, if they were in effect firing blind.

Trayvon was committing no crime, and as far as we know there was no crime committed that night until he was shot, there was no reason for someone to be hypervigilant and trigger happy, or to even be running around with a loaded gun chasing someone that they claim they thought was on drugs or up to no good. IMO JMHO and stuff.

So it's o'key to just fire "blind?" Perfectly legal, apparently, since they are not being charged with anything. That girl was hiding in a bush (or so we are told), not fighting or threatening anyone.

 

[katydid23]

When has the president of the Florida Bar Association spoken about this case?



~jmo~

I thought I heard Hornby say that O'Mara was the president of the bar association.

 

[Nova]

Anyone know if Peru has an extradition treaty w/the US?

I haven't done independent research, but on the Joran Van Der Sloot thread, it was said that yes, Peru and the U.S. have an extradition treaty.

I think we do with most countries. It's the death penalty and protests against it that keep many countries from extraditing. This, of course, is not a d.p. case.

 

[LambChop]

So the president of the Florida Bar Association is going to say on the air in front of millions of people, a lie about fed exing the accounts? Why would he do that?

I really don't know because that is what I've heard. How could GZ fedex a package from jail with checks in them? IMO checks would have had to be signed on the back for MOM to deposit them. Just curious how GZ did that when he was in jail. Wasn't GZ already in custody when MOM was hired??? jmo

 

[Adrienne37]

O'Mara states that it was late Tuesday afternoon when he found out about the money. Earlier today in court and last night, he stated it was Wednesday.

Gathered in 1 MONTH he said.


~jmo~

 

[mercuriod]

So the president of the Florida Bar Association is going to say on the air in front of millions of people, a lie about fed exing the accounts? Why would he do that?

When did Scott G. Hawkins, President of The Florida Bar say anything about FedEx?

 

[Sensei]

Respectfully snipped

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I wonder:

Could Crump be the "witness" the judge was referring to -- the one he said was getting a bit too much media face-time?

JMO
/bbm

It is highly unlikely that Crump will be sworn in as a witness since there is no part of the actual case that he can testify to...But I sincerely doubt that FT is going to avoid a subpeona if not for the Defense then for the Prosecution since he has claimed an intimate knowlege of George Zimmerman and that George has communicated with him about the shooting. IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[Desdemona]

Yeah and my Nanny (Grandma) used to say, "show me your friends and I'll tell you what you are" she also said..
"Birds of a feather flock together"

Hmmmmm....

Desi's Grandma, to Desi, decades ago:

"With friends like that, who needs enemies?"

Love those wise Grandmas.

:seeya:
:twocents:

 

[Adrienne37]

I thought I heard Hornby say that O'Mara was the president of the bar association.

I don't believe so...

http://www.floridabar.org/tfb/TFBOr...d90f27e43a59876985256b2f006cc828?OpenDocument



~jmo~

 

[Nova]

The bloody head photo corroborates GZ's story. It's a simple as that. Whether the photo is authentic or not, only time will tell.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

I could not disagree more. That is not the head of someone who as been "repeatedly" slammed into concrete.

And as others have already pointed out, a bloody head doesn't begin to prove the rest of GZ's story.

 

[Adrienne37]

Respectfully snipped



It is highly unlikely that Crump will be sworn in as a witness since there is no part of the actual case that he can testify to...But I sincerely doubt that FT is going to avoid a subpeona if not for the Defense then for the Prosecution since he has claimed an intimate knowlege of George Zimmerman and that George has communicated with him about the shooting. IMO JMHO and stuff.

and I absolutely can't wait for that to happen.


~jmo~

 

[LambChop]

A million dollars to a deserving organization is very generous indeed. And undeniably very good publicity for Crump's firm and his smiling face. IMO. Wasn't this media story and photo in relation to the $7.4 million settlement Crump's firm won in the 2007 Martin Lee Anderson "boot camp" case?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/..._martin-lee-anderson-boot-camp-military-style

I have no information as to how much of that settlement went to the victim's family, and how much Crump's firm netted. But hypothetically, a 30% contingency fee (low to average rate for a high-dollar case IMO) would mean the attorneys' share would be in excess of $2 million.

The million-dollar donation would have left them with a cool million-plus, and a priceless amount of good press. Nothing wrong with that, but IMO I find it informative to objectively look at the bigger picture for context. I'm interested in Crump's motives. In the Trayvon case, I'm not sure he has always acted 100% in the best interests of Trayvon' mom and dad, but that's just MO.

I wonder:

Could Crump be the "witness" the judge was referring to -- the one he said was getting a bit too much media face-time?

JMO
/bbm

What exactly did Crump witness in this case???? I think the witness the judge was referring to is "Big Daddy". lol