2 Things that have me wondering

[tumble]

John Wayne gacey used an identical garrotte in his killings.

I find that hard to believe. Have you anything to back that up with? Preferably a link.
To my knowledge he used a completely normal two handle wire garrote.
Not even remotely similar to the one used on JBR.

 

[Chrishope]

If you do a google search for JWG + garrote, you'll find he used a wire garrote.

 

[tumble]

If you do a google search for JWG + garrote, you'll find he used a wire garrote.

Right, no fiddling around with a shoelace and some knotting there.

 

[laini]

Rambling - feel free to ignore...

This week on the t.v. show The Unit, two guys were lowering themselves down an elevator shaft with fancy rope knotting system. Did anybody see that? One rope was attached to each leg. When the man's weight was on the knot, it tightened. When his weight was lifted, the knot loosened and he was able to slide down a bit. This way he lowered himself slowly without falling. My husband said "that's the kind of knot we use at work sometimes. I think it is called the prusik knot". So that got me curious about the knot again. I realize the show The Unit and my husband using this knot working on machinery at a soybean plant have nothing to do with Jon Benet's murderer's knot tying, but I am still curious. So one side thinks it was easy and many people can make it. The other side says it is a complicated knot and not just anyone can do it. What do you all think? Any new thoughts? I am also looking for a picture of the knot used on Jon Benet.

 

[Solace]

From what I've read, he hadn't been in touch with his family since 2001. I would think someone could find some writing from around the time of the murder though. Good thoughts about the knot on the rope, but he can't be asked to do that now that he's in custody.

Panthera,

 

[Nehemiah]

Rambling - feel free to ignore...

This week on the t.v. show The Unit, two guys were lowering themselves down an elevator shaft with fancy rope knotting system. Did anybody see that? One rope was attached to each leg. When the man's weight was on the knot, it tightened. When his weight was lifted, the knot loosened and he was able to slide down a bit. This way he lowered himself slowly without falling. My husband said "that's the kind of knot we use at work sometimes. I think it is called the prusik knot". So that got me curious about the knot again. I realize the show The Unit and my husband using this knot working on machinery at a soybean plant have nothing to do with Jon Benet's murderer's knot tying, but I am still curious. So one side thinks it was easy and many people can make it. The other side says it is a complicated knot and not just anyone can do it. What do you all think? Any new thoughts? I am also looking for a picture of the knot used on Jon Benet.

Very interesting that your husband is knowledgeable about the Prusik knot. What does he think...complicated or easily made?

 

[laini]

Very interesting that your husband is knowledgeable about the Prusik knot. What does he think...complicated or easily made?

He said he thinks it is sort of complicated for him. He has to think about it and fiddle with it if he is going to make the knot. He says they have it already made in their lockers for quick use in confined space rescue. I read online that mountain climbers also sometimes carry them already made up in case of emergency.

 

[Nehemiah]

He said he thinks it is sort of complicated for him. He has to think about it and fiddle with it if he is going to make the knot. He says they have it already made in their lockers for quick use in confined space rescue. I read online that mountain climbers also sometimes carry them already made up in case of emergency.

Mountain climbers, huh? That is very interesting, since the murder was in Colorado. I wonder if any of the persons of interest were into mountain climbing as a hobby? You may be onto something here.

Your husband works in a soybean plant....mine is a soybean farmer. So what is it that he does with the rope as in a rescue?

 

[laini]

Mountain climbers, huh? That is very interesting, since the murder was in Colorado. I wonder if any of the persons of interest were into mountain climbing as a hobby? You may be onto something here.

Your husband works in a soybean plant....mine is a soybean farmer. So what is it that he does with the rope as in a rescue?

Hi Nehemiah! They use the rope with the prusik knot if someone falls into a confined space in the machinery to lower themselves into and pull them out (I think that's how it works).

Yesterday he brought home one of the prusik knots from his locker and showed me. It makes me very interested why it was at the scene. Your husband is a soybean farmer? Where? (you don't have to say if you don't want to ) My husband works for Archer Daniels Midland.

 

[BBB167893]

Not hard at all. I learned how in the Boy Scouts.

 

[Toltec]

Mountain climbers, huh? That is very interesting, since the murder was in Colorado. I wonder if any of the persons of interest were into mountain climbing as a hobby? You may be onto something here.

Your husband works in a soybean plant....mine is a soybean farmer. So what is it that he does with the rope as in a rescue?

JAR was a mountain climber...and JonBenet was set to take lessons soon.

 

[Eagle1]

JAR was a mountain climber...and JonBenet was set to take lessons soon.

Mind telling us where you found that out? Never heard it before. Didn't the McReynolds' or one of their sons also have a mountain home?

It's pretty easy to find a picture of the knot, and I thought it was spelled something like Prussic but it's been a long time and I'm probably wrong.

 

[rashomon]

Not hard at all. I learned how in the Boy Scouts.

I have zero knowledge about knots, but
D. England wrote that the knot around JB's neck was a 'double loop slip knot', the same type of knot which was also used for the wrist ligatures.
How is that Prusic knot done?

 

[BBB167893]

How to:

http://ozultimate.com/canyoning/knots/prusik/

(Notice its resemblance to the handle knot!)

 

[JMO8778]

So it's much more likely that JR made the garrote...not PR? Or at least gave her verbal instructions on how to do it at the time it was made?

 

[Toltec]

So it's much more likely that JR made the garrote...not PR? Or at least gave her verbal instructions on how to do it at the time it was made?

The Ramseys were sailors and I believe Patsy knew how to tie knots. I doubt John would just let her sit on the boat wearing a tiara without some help.

 

[UKGuy]

The Ramseys were sailors and I believe Patsy knew how to tie knots. I doubt John would just let her sit on the boat wearing a tiara without some help.

Toltec,

Seems like the forensic evidence is back to front e.g. Patsy has constructed a knot most would assume John would do, and John appears to have used his shirt to wipe down JonBenet, something people attribute soley to Patsy, on the basis its a woman's thing?


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[JMO8778]

The Ramseys were sailors and I believe Patsy knew how to tie knots. I doubt John would just let her sit on the boat wearing a tiara without some help.

true,she was filmed driving the boat (ad naseum;who cares to see her driving a boat? )

 

[JMO8778]

Toltec,

Seems like the forensic evidence is back to front e.g. Patsy has constructed a knot most would assume John would do, and John appears to have used his shirt to wipe down JonBenet, something people attribute soley to Patsy, on the basis its a woman's thing?


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you'd think it would be the other way around though..JR does the knot and PR wipes her down..so were they each taking care of the respective evidence that each was trying to hide in order to evade justice?

 

[UKGuy]

you'd think it would be the other way around though..JR does the knot and PR wipes her down..so were they each taking care of the respective evidence that each was trying to hide in order to evade justice?

JMO8778,

Yes seems curious, even counter intuitive, if that really is a prusik knot and not a knot that looks like one, and those are JR's fibers on JonBenet's genitals, then I would revise my theory to strongly include a prior staging!