21 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mr. Ramsey, it is
22 our belief based on
forensic evidence that
23 there are
hairs that are associated, that the
24 source is the
collared black shirt that you
25 sent us that are found in your
daughter's
1
underpants, and I wondered if you --
2 A.
. I don't believe that.
3 I don't buy it. If you are trying to
4 disgrace my relationship with my daughter --
5 Q. Mr. Ramsey, I am not trying to
6 disgrace --
7 A. Well, I don't believe it. I
8 think you are. That's disgusting.
...
23 MR. LEVIN: This is a murder
24 investigation, and I am trying to get an
25 explanation, which can be an innocent
...
13 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Wool shirts, would
14 those normally go out to the cleaners or
15 would it depend? Even now, what is your
16 family practice?
17 A. Well, if it is a dry-cleaning
18 item, we'd normally send it directly to the
19 dry cleaners. Once in a while they get
20 thrown in by mistake, but particularly if it
21 is a shirt.
22 Q. Your dry-cleaning items, would you
23 just throw them down the chute and let Linda
24 sort them out, this is dry-cleaning, this
25 gets washed or would you separate them up
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1 front and keep them in a separate place, if
2 you recall?
3 A. I don't -- I am trying to
4 remember where the laundry chute went to. I
5 mean, it probably -- I wasn't that organized
6 to separate things out like that as a normal
7 course of business.
8 MR. BECKNER: Did you ask what he
9 did on that particular night with the shirt?
10 I missed that.
11 THE WITNESS:
Frankly, I don't
12
remember.
13 MR. LEVIN: I thought I had asked
14 you. I wasn't sure if that was clear.
15 THE WITNESS: I mean, typically
16 if it is a
wool shirt, something that does
17 require dry-cleaning, I try to get several
18 cycles out of it, but I don't remember.
19 MR. BECKNER: What was your
20 normal routine?
21 THE WITNESS: Well, normally, I
22 would --
23 MR. WOOD: About dry-cleaning?
24 MR. BECKNER: No.
25 THE WITNESS: -- I would hang
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1 onto it. If it was something I wanted to
2 wear again, I'd hang it, I'd try to, I'd
3 usually hang it up. Sometimes I would put
4 it on a chair. But I wasn't religious about
5 that. I would normally try to hang it up.
6 Q. (By Chief Beckner) Let me be
7 more specific. Would you throw your clothes
8 on the floor typically in a pile?
9 A. Well, no, not, not if I was, if
10 I was going to wear it again. If it was
11 headed for the laundry, you know, it could
12 end up on the floor before it ended up in
13 the laundry chute, but if I intend to wear
14 it again, if it was a suit or sweater, or
15 something like that, I normally wouldn't
16 throw it on the floor.
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1 explanation.
...
8 THE WITNESS: If the question is
9 how did fibers of your shirt get into your
10
daughter's underwear, I say that is not
11 possible. I don't believe it. That is
12 ridiculous.
13 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: I need to
14 change the audio cassette. It will take
15 just one moment.
...
19 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mr. Ramsey, your
20 wife told us that there was a college
21 student that was staying with the
Steins, I
22 believe, named Nathan Inouwe?
...
25 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Okay. Had you,
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1 prior to the murder of your daughter, had
2 you had any contact with him?
3 A. Yeah. We would see him at their
4 house. He would drive the kids to school
5 occasionally in a carpool, Patsy would take
6 them, sometimes, Susan would sometimes or
7 Nathan would take them.
8 Q. Was there anything unusual about
9 his conduct -- and I am asking for your
10 contemporaneous impression, and then I'm going
11 to ask you about the post-murder impression.
12 Your contemporaneous impression of Mr. Inouwe
13 I assume was favorable if you let him drive
14 your kids to school?
15 A. Yes. He was a very, very kind,
16 nice person.
17 Q. Keeping in mind that you told us
18 that you are suspicious of everyone, is there
19 anything in particular about Mr. Inouwe,
20 using the power of hindsight, that causes you
21 today to be particularly suspicious of him?
22 A. Nothing specifically in terms of
23 his actions or what he said. Have I
24 eliminated him? No, I haven't. I thought
25 about that from time to time, but I don't
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1 consider him of strong, strong interest.
2 Q. We asked Mrs. Ramsey about the
3
Bloomi's underpants that JonBenet was wearing
4 when she was found murdered, and we are
5 trying to kind of track those from purchase
6 to her. And again, I suspect you probably
7 don't have detailed information --
8 A. No.
9 Q. -- about your child's underwear,
10 but you can see why I need to ask the
11 questions; right?
12 A. Right.
13 Q. We believe that they were
14 purchased in November of 1996. Were you
15 aware of their existence before JonBenet's
16 death?
17 A. No, but I wouldn't have been.
18 But I mean, I -- what I know is what was
19 asked of Patsy when she said, you know, we
20 were on a trip to New York. She bought
21 them and I think had planned to give them to
22 her niece, who is older than JonBenet, and
23 then they, for some reason, decided that
24 JonBenet would have them. I don't know if
25 she wanted them or if Patsy gave them to
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1 her, but --
2 Q. The niece that they were purchased
3 for, I think, was Jenny Davis?
4 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
5 Q. Do you recall approximately how
6 big she was in 1996? I know it is a tough
7 question.
8 A. She's either a junior or a senior
9 in high school now. And she's fairly
10 stocky.
11 Q. Was there anything about the
12 Bloomi's underwear that was particularly,
13 other than the fact that they come from
14 Bloomingdale's, fascinating that caused them
15 to be, you know, JonBenet would talk about
16 them or something, like I have these cool
17 panties that have the days of the week,
18 anything that would direct your attention to
19 them?
20 A. No, no.
21 Q. As far as the size, they were for
22 an 85-pound girl. Were you aware she was
23 wearing these real big panties?
24 A.
Only after the fact.
25 Q. After the fact?
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1 A. Yeah.
2 Q. Our information that we developed
3 from the grand, well -- after the
grand
4
jury, actually, were you unaware of any
5 incident where JonBenet had any accidents at
6 school where she would have to go into the
7 extra panty box that most grammar schools
8 keep for young kids? Do you have a memory
9 of an
incident that is contrary to that?
10 A. At school?
11 Q. Yes.
12 A. No.
13 Q. (By Chief Beckner) Did you, the
14 night of the 25th, did you help
undress
15
JonBenet?
16 A.
I did. I think I was asked that
17 before, but I don't -- I mean, I at least
18 took her shoes off, I believe, later on. I
19 carried her upstairs, laid her in bed, took
20 her shoes off. I don't know if I took her
21 coat off.
22 Usually what I would do is try to
23 get her semi-ready for bed because it wasn't
24 infrequent she would fall to sleep when we
25 came home like that, before we got home.
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1 Patsy would come in, get her in bed totally.
2 Q. I guess what I mean is, did you
3 notice at that time whether she was or was
4 not wearing underwear?
5 A.
I mean, I think I would have
6
noticed if she wasn't. But I don't
7
remember. I really don't.
8 Q.
Do you recall if you took her
9
underwear off?
10 A. No,
I'm sure I did not.
11 MR. LEVIN: Mr. Wickman?
12 Questions?
13 MS. HARMER: Nothing.
14 MR. LEVIN: I think we are done.
