2008.09.18 Tracy M Interview Audio #1

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I am very disturbed at Tracey's comments about Websleuths. I wonder if she knows she just insulted Tony Padilla?

I'll go to Kinko's today and listen to the tape. (I can only get dialup and it takes forever to download.)

This lumping Websleuths in with everyone on the Internet happens because we are so large and popular but I am getting sick of it.

Websleuths was blamed for the lunatics outside the Anthony's screaming.

Websleuths was blamed for the over the top response to someone hiring the Anthony's to speak. The people that had hired them became frightened and THAT'S why they cancelled. The nuts that contacted them were so over the top with hatred it scared them. We were blamed for causing that. Just not true.

I am really worked up about this.

Can someone please PM me Tracey's last name and Leonard Padilla's address.


Tricia

I agree with everything you said, except that it doesn't bother me. Unless they want to compare what I do with my time to what they do with theirs, its just ignorance on their part. There is no evidence to prove that anyone here is causing problems or wasting their time, or anything else.

At least we aren't using our time to hurt others! The people I've met here are doing this because they CARE ~ something our society is losing these days!
 
I am very disturbed at Tracey's comments about Websleuths. I wonder if she knows she just insulted Tony Padilla?

I'll go to Kinko's today and listen to the tape. (I can only get dialup and it takes forever to download.)

This lumping Websleuths in with everyone on the Internet happens because we are so large and popular but I am getting sick of it.

Websleuths was blamed for the lunatics outside the Anthony's screaming.

Websleuths was blamed for the over the top response to someone hiring the Anthony's to speak. The people that had hired them became frightened and THAT'S why they cancelled. The nuts that contacted them were so over the top with hatred it scared them. We were blamed for causing that. Just not true.

I am really worked up about this.

Can someone please PM me Tracey's last name and Leonard Padilla's address.


Tricia

Tricia I dont have that info for you but I wanted to say I do agree with you on this, it actually sounds a lot like comments I have heard from the Anthony camp.
 
OT Webslueths was included in a plot line on LAW and ORder Thursday night....and it was not flattering...... protrayed the people as vigilante nut cases who interfered with the evidence....


If that came out of a Hollywood studio, it just tells me we are doing something right. Consider the source, that's all I gotta say.
 
Experts aren't paid to lie is , respectfully, the funniest, most naive thing I have ever read, ever! Read one their books one day and you will find quotes to the effect of "It depends which side is paying you". [...] God bless you, I know you have a true heart and this apparently comes as a surprise to you. I was in your position once, my first day as a paralegal. Oh the lovely view from those very temporary, rose colored glasses!:blowkiss:
Please. I am more than well aware of the expert testimony process, including but not limited to expert witness testimony admissibility, and the so-called "hired gun" effect. So, cut the condescension already.

As for your contention that expert witnesses regularly perjur themselves in a court of law? While you may very well hold the view that they are in some way, shape, or form, above the law and therefore have the freedom to engage in perjury with impunity, I, personally, do not hold such a view.

As for my comment wrt this case, there is absolutely nothing in Casey's behavior that suggests or otherwise implies that she is legally insane, including but not limited to the fact that she has no reported history of mental illness and that she was given a psychiatric evaluation early on—which, if I recall correctly, did not reveal any sort of acute mental disorders.

Which means your so-called "hired gun" would have to either make stuff up out of whole cloth, to testify to an NGRI, or fall into the category of someone who practices shoddy "science." The former is doubtful due to the perjury aspect. As for the latter? Sure why not. Even so, said expert would still not be lying. They would be putting forth a highly questionable opinion that could be easily impeached under Frye.

Of course, afaics, the whole NGRI question for this case is moot anyway. Simply bc such pleas are extremely rare and even for those that have a viable basis, such as the case of Tortorici, rarely won.
 
OT Webslueths was included in a plot line on LAW and ORder Thursday night....and it was not flattering...... protrayed the people as vigilante nut cases who interfered with the evidence....

Was that the show based on the Anthony case? I saw that one but I don't remember a mention of WS.
 
I am very disturbed at Tracey's comments about Websleuths. I wonder if she knows she just insulted Tony Padilla?

I'll go to Kinko's today and listen to the tape. (I can only get dialup and it takes forever to download.)

This lumping Websleuths in with everyone on the Internet happens because we are so large and popular but I am getting sick of it.

Websleuths was blamed for the lunatics outside the Anthony's screaming.

Websleuths was blamed for the over the top response to someone hiring the Anthony's to speak. The people that had hired them became frightened and THAT'S why they cancelled. The nuts that contacted them were so over the top with hatred it scared them. We were blamed for causing that. Just not true.

I am really worked up about this.

Can someone please PM me Tracey's last name and Leonard Padilla's address.


Tricia

His website says [email protected]
You can probably communicate with Tracy via that one too. Her last name is McLaughlin.
 
I think I have probably missed something from the very beginning here, but were Tracy & the Anthony's told "NOT TO MENTION CAYLEE" ???? Why would they not sit down and ask questions like? So did you see them ( the supposed Zanaida folks) leave in the car? Was Caylee crying? Or Where was Caylee when you were getting the ladder out of the pool? Or how do you think Caylee is doing without her family? Has Caylee been away from her mom for long periods of time before? Or in regard to the hair & death band in the car? Was Caylee in the car at some point?? It seems for all those weeks, novbody even mentioned the missing /dead baby, and pretended this was just some phase they had to go through to be on TV or something? It is just soooooooooooo alice down the rabbit hole to me???
 
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Thanks Momtective!!!

So is this the same Tracy? :waitasec:


http://www.marinfinehomes.com/index.html
 
I think I have probably missed something from the very beginning here, but were Tracy & the Anthony's told "NOT TO MENTION CAYLEE" ???? Why would they not sit down and ask questions like? So did you see them ( the supposed Zanaida folks) leave in the car? Was Caylee crying? Or Where was Caylee when you were getting the ladder out of the pool? Or how do you think Caylee is doing without her family? Has Caylee been away from her mom for long periods of time before? Or in regard to the hair & death band in the car? Was Caylee in the car at some point?? It seems for all those weeks, novbody even mentioned the missing /dead baby, and pretended this was just some phase they had to go through to be on TV or something? It is just soooooooooooo alice down the rabbit hole to me???

I may be waaaay wrong but this the way I think of the whole situation. LP and posse came down here to bail Casey out so they could question her and find out what happened to Caylee. After they got here and bailed her out, Jose told them he didn't want them to ask her any questions about anything. Jose gave instructions to Casey and her family not to tell any of the Padilla posse anything at all. He even went so far as to tell them not to leave Casey alone in the room with any of them. Every single one of them disregarded his instructions ~ all of them. The posse did ask Casey and family the "hard" questions. Especially Leonard ~ and that's why he got kicked out of the Anthony house. The rest of the posse took their cues from this. They would and did ask some questions (especially Rob) but only so far as they thought they could without having Casey shut down on them and become completely uncooperative. Hence ~ the frustrating lack of follow-up questions. I'm thankful that they were able to glean as much out of the situation as they did. moo
 
Wow, we sure are getting mentioned lately. We must be the only crime/missing persons forum on the internet. Vigilante's ? Now I have another qualification to list on my resume !

And what's ironic is they are all tripping over each other to get in here to get info because we have a tremendous archive of documents and facts. And the ones who aren't allowed in throw a fit and diss us because they want in desperately.
 
Any thoughts on what brought about the changes in everyone?

Haven't thought out a possible motive behind the change of attitude in the "group" yet as I haven't actually heard these audios yet. Finished work week today so plan to spend time this weekend actually listening (am also hoping that the 2000 pg discovery we are expecting next week includes a large portion of transcript pages from these audios).

But from what I recall reading on this thread after I got home last night, didn't Tracy state in the audio that the reason that "they" (LP, TP, Rob, Tracy) decided to get involved in this case was because since there was a HALF MILLION DOLLAR BOND ($500,000) it was bound to be a high profile case?

Which is completely different than they were speaking on NG and to the media back in July of 2008....my recollection is that they stated the reason they got involved is that LP was sure he had the skills (my words) to get KC to talk and tell the truth IF SHE WAS JUST OUT OF JAIL.

So, I wonder if this bit of information is part of the beginning of a possible theory and that they didn't actually ever shift their attention from Caylee to the Anthony family.

Need to think this through.....:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:
 
I agree with everything you said, except that it doesn't bother me. Unless they want to compare what I do with my time to what they do with theirs, its just ignorance on their part. There is no evidence to prove that anyone here is causing problems or wasting their time, or anything else.

At least we aren't using our time to hurt others! The people I've met here are doing this because they CARE ~ something our society is losing these days!

Hi Kim,

The only reason it bothers me is it hinders my (our) ability to get things done. We contact people and automatically they think we are a bunch of nuts and don't want to deal with us.

I have been fighting this prejudice since the JonBenet Ramsey case. In fact, thanks to the great sleuthers at our sister forum [ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6"]Forums For Justice [/ame]we were able to debunk the John Mark Carr stupid story.
If you click [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2ooGtPWS-4"]YouTube - Tricia Griffith, Michael Tracey and Steve Gigax[/ame] you can watch a great piece put together by Geraldo showing how "internet forums" can expose the truth. Watch the whole thing. It explains how Forums For Justice found the truth out much to the dismay of the Boulder D.A. This also proves how Internet True Crime Discussion Forums like FFJ and Websleuths ARE NOT made up of a bunch of people with "no life." Just the opposite. We have to make time to try and work on the cases we believe in either at FFJ or here on WS.

When people like Tracey McLaughlin make off the cuff remarks like this about Websleuths it hurts us all. Remember, I am trying to raise enough money to do great things on this forum. When people make untrue statements likethis it hurts our reputation in more ways than one.

Tricia

PS. Don't get Tracey McLaughlin mixed up with Michael Tracey in the video. Two different people two totally different stories.
 
I am very disturbed at Tracey's comments about Websleuths. I wonder if she knows she just insulted Tony Padilla?

I'll go to Kinko's today and listen to the tape. (I can only get dialup and it takes forever to download.)

This lumping Websleuths in with everyone on the Internet happens because we are so large and popular but I am getting sick of it.

Websleuths was blamed for the lunatics outside the Anthony's screaming.

Websleuths was blamed for the over the top response to someone hiring the Anthony's to speak. The people that had hired them became frightened and THAT'S why they cancelled. The nuts that contacted them were so over the top with hatred it scared them. We were blamed for causing that. Just not true.

I am really worked up about this.

Can someone please PM me Tracey's last name and Leonard Padilla's address.


Tricia
Well, I look at it this way. if she spent enough time here to read and draw that opinion, there must have been something that held her interest to keep reading. Everyone keeps coming back and she is probably no exception. :)
if she didn't stay here long enough to read, then her opinion is of no consequence.

Don't get worked up about it. Not worth it, jmho of course.

ETA: I don't think she is important enough to have any impact on WS. Just send her the youtube you posted and let it speak for itself. jmho as always.
 
Well, if that was the ONLY reason "LP and posse came down here to bail Casey out so they could question her and find out what happened to Caylee" - ummmm they failed from the get go. So why not pack up and go home? I'm just sayin that if they really wanted to "find her"...they would have asked questions.
 
Haven't thought out a possible motive behind the change of attitude in the "group" yet as I haven't actually heard these audios yet. Finished work week today so plan to spend time this weekend actually listening (am also hoping that the 2000 pg discovery we are expecting next week includes a large portion of transcript pages from these audios).

But from what I recall reading on this thread after I got home last night, didn't Tracy state in the audio that the reason that "they" (LP, TP, Rob, Tracy) decided to get involved in this case was because since there was a HALF MILLION DOLLAR BOND ($500,000) it was bound to be a high profile case?
Which is completely different than they were speaking on NG and to the media back in July of 2008....my recollection is that they stated the reason they got involved is that LP was sure he had the skills (my words) to get KC to talk and tell the truth IF SHE WAS JUST OUT OF JAIL.

So, I wonder if this bit of information is part of the beginning of a possible theory and that they didn't actually ever shift their attention from Caylee to the Anthony family.

Need to think this through.....:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

Alright then, :clap:
 
Well, I look at it this way. if she spent enough time here to read and draw that opinion, there must have been something that held her interest to keep reading. Everyone keeps coming back and she is probably no exception. :)
if she didn't stay here long enough to read, then her opinion is of no consequence.

Don't get worked up about it. Not worth it, jmho of course.

ETA: I don't think she is important enough to have any impact on WS. Just send her the youtube you posted and let it speak for itself. jmho as always.


and not to mention the fact that Tracey said that KC and CA would get on the internet to try to get clues to find KC (I know how ludicrous that sounds)...but I'm sure they found many many good clues here. If you remember in the beginning we had all sorts of theories about who had Caylee, etc. CA was following our lead, until we all began to see the truth....
 
Thanks Momtective!!!

So is this the same Tracy? :waitasec:


http://www.marinfinehomes.com/index.html

They do resemble each other on the surface. But your TM belongs to 2 yacht clubs, renovates zillion-dollar homes, and raises funds for the local [private?] school. I doubt if she'd take off a couple weeks to get down and dirty on Lenny's job.

Just a guess. I could be wrong.
 
Well, if that was the ONLY reason "LP and posse came down here to bail Casey out so they could question her and find out what happened to Caylee" - ummmm they failed from the get go. So why not pack up and go home? I'm just sayin that if they really wanted to "find her"...they would have asked questions.

I purposely did not say that it was the ONLY reason. You're adding words of your own.

They said they stayed the nine days to protect their bond investment.

Neither you nor I truly know their motives.
 
If Tracy called out WS in a taped police interview like she did and Tracy is close with Tony P and LP, it sort of makes me wonder now if the others hold those same beliefs. Anyone can believe whatever they want, but when "someone" comes on here pretending to "like" this forum and all...well, my doubts are being raised.
 
MADJ: I, too, found it interesting that Tracy said they knew something big was up when the bond was going to be $500,00 and called that "unjust". That's why LP wanted in.LE asked TM about any contract or agreements made with JB regarding KC's care.
LE asked TM, "What did JB have to say with respect to this?"
TM replied, "Everybody was okay, you can bail her out. You can talk to her, have access ... as soon as she got out he (JB) changed the story to, ""Okay, no one's around her (KC) except for TM."" I was the only one that was allowed to be with her without an attorney. So he (JB) kind of changed the rules up on that."
Now I have to re-read the thread about why JB was trying to have TM and Rob's testimony thrown out....attorney/client priviledge LOL


There it is (in reference to my last posting...)
 
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