2008.09.18 Tracy M Interview Audio #1

[Tony Padilla]

Hey...you said you knew "most" of that stuff already...what was new that you did not already know? Out of curiosity?

Her giggling all the time. That's about it. I do think she told it better on tape than to me. You have to remember that when Tracy ws with her she was texting and calling us all the time so we were getting that stuff in real time.

 

[Tony Padilla]

Where is all the really good juicy stuff at? This case has way too many threads to really get to. I try but it's tough. If there is anything good please let me know.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

Tracy was still communicating with Casey up until about 3 months ago. Tracy made a connection with Casey. Not in a bad way or good way. Remember that those 2 were together every day for 8 days. Not 9 like everybody says. Casey got out Thursday Aug. 21 and went back in the evening of Friday Aug. 29. I really think she just felt sorry for Casey.

Well, I've never spent 8 days w/ someone who was/is suspected of murdering her 2 year old, so my lack of experience in this area may limit my usefulness on this topic, but.......even during those days, it's apparent from Tracy's interview that she thought KC was lying and had come to believe that not only was something very wrong, but that KC was the one who was responsible for Caylee's "disappearance". I don't know that I could form a bond or connection (good or bad) w/ someone who refused at every turn to enable LE and all of you to find her daughter. And, what about professional distance? Is it that easy to engage oneself w/ a suspect and their family in these circumstances? That being said, leading KC on and having silly conversations and pretending to be friendly w/ her all to get info could be done in a detached, yet professional manner. Why did a connection need to be formed to acheive that? :waitasec:

 

[magic-cat]

I really think you need to take step back and see this from tracy's perspective. In no way does Tracy agree with what Casey did. She ws with her for a while and they shared some valuable thoughts. I think it's entirely different when you're personally involved. I am not trying to make excuses but that's how I think Tracy feels. I have been bashed here for having feelings for the Anthony's. They have been very courteous to me. I really like them as people. I don't agree with everything they did but my interaction with them was very pleasant. I still talk to them on occasion. And I will probably continue that.

Scweh! Lord have mercy on us...but, here goes, it is not evil men whom we should fear most, but the indifference of GOOD men...have you ever heard that one? I actually heard it in a movie once but it stuck with me all through the years because it is the truth.

I will tell you a story to put this in perspective. I know a girl whose mother is a sociopath. This girl has siblings. This mother abused this girl horribly and hideously and yet supported and enabled the "other" siblings, whom, I might add were living none too savoury lives...The girl asked her brother one day how he could just look over everything that their mother did to HER and simply continue on engaging in a relationship with her as he did? His response, she's good to me...She pays my bills. She brings me food. She does my laundry...etc...So the girl says but you KNOW how much she abuses and hurts and neglects ME, you have seen it all our lives...and the boy says, yeah, but she doesn't do that to me...

and the girl does not understand...

and the girl is me.

 

[christee]

No offense taken. Wait a couple of weeks and you will hear and understand much more. I cannot go into details but you will see and then understand more. I will explain when the time comes.

Oh now, that's not fair, no teasing!
Throw a dog a bone, would ya!

 

[magic-cat]

Where is all the really good juicy stuff at? This case has way too many threads to really get to. I try but it's tough. If there is anything good please let me know.

The Parking Lot
The Jury Room
More liberties...

 

[magic-cat]

No offense taken. Wait a couple of weeks and you will hear and understand much more. I cannot go into details but you will see and then understand more. I will explain when the time comes.

All right then...I am going to hold you to that...couple of weeks...

 

[Tony Padilla]

Well, I've never spent 8 days w/ someone who was/is suspected of murdering her 2 year old, so my lack of experience in this area may limit my usefulness on this topic, but.......even during those days, it's apparent from Tracy's interview that she thought KC was lying and had come to believe that not only was something very wrong, but that KC was the one who was responsible for Caylee's "disappearance". I don't know that I could form a bond or connection (good or bad) w/ someone who refused at every turn to enable LE and all of you to find her daughter. And, what about professional distance? Is it that easy to engage oneself w/ a suspect and their family in these circumstances? That being said, leading KC on and having silly conversations and pretending to be friendly w/ her all to get info could be done in a detached, yet professional manner. Why did a connection need to be formed to acheive that? :waitasec:

If I am reading this right then you are way off. Tracy really connected with Casey. Had she not formed a connection/relationship then she would have not been able to get anything out of her. Look how Leonard handled it. He wnt into that house cussing and shouting and calling her names and acting like a fool. She threw his out of there. The same would have happened to Tracy. I really believe that had Leonard not acted that way that Casey would have opened up more and possibly and I say possibly would have said more. Strictly speculation on my part but thats an interesting story in itself.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

Scweh! Lord have mercy on us...but, here goes, it is not evil men whom we should fear most, but the indifference of GOOD men...have you ever heard that one? I actually heard it in a movie once but it stuck with me all through the years because it is the truth.

I will tell you a story to put this in perspective. I know a girl whose mother is a sociopath. This girl has siblings. This mother abused this girl horribly and hideously and yet supported and enabled the "other" siblings, whom, I might add were living none too savoury lives...The girl asked her brother one day how he could just look over everything that their mother did to HER and simply continue on engaging in a relationship with her as he did? His response, she's good to me...She pays my bills. She brings me food. She does my laundry...etc...So the girl says but you KNOW how much she abuses and hurts and neglects ME, you have seen it all our lives...and the boy says, yeah, but she doesn't do that to me...

and the girl does not understand...

and the girl is me.

I'm so sorry that you had/have to endure that. I have no patience w/ people who don't get it--who misplace their loyalties, affections, energies, and time into people who don't deserve it. Even if they have not suffered or been affected, taking a stand for someone (you) and perhaps having to pay a price and lose that other relationship........that's a courageous thing to do, the right thing to do. I'm sorry he won't stand with you. :hug:

 

[Tony Padilla]

Scweh! Lord have mercy on us...but, here goes, it is not evil men whom we should fear most, but the indifference of GOOD men...have you ever heard that one? I actually heard it in a movie once but it stuck with me all through the years because it is the truth.

I will tell you a story to put this in perspective. I know a girl whose mother is a sociopath. This girl has siblings. This mother abused this girl horribly and hideously and yet supported and enabled the "other" siblings, whom, I might add were living none too savoury lives...The girl asked her brother one day how he could just look over everything that their mother did to HER and simply continue on engaging in a relationship with her as he did? His response, she's good to me...She pays my bills. She brings me food. She does my laundry...etc...So the girl says but you KNOW how much she abuses and hurts and neglects ME, you have seen it all our lives...and the boy says, yeah, but she doesn't do that to me...

and the girl does not understand...

and the girl is me.

Interesting. I have heard that quote before. It's in a movie I think. Okay point well taken about the metaphor. However, I really believe that everybody here (or a huge majority) paint the Anthony's to be rotten horrible people. They cant wait to "cast another stone". Again I don not agree with what they have done or siad about numerous things but do you think you could be rational in those shoes?

 

[christee]

Where is all the really good juicy stuff at? This case has way too many threads to really get to. I try but it's tough. If there is anything good please let me know.

Are you thinking of going to the Parking Lot?
Might be a good idea for discussing different topics since this one is abt Tracys' interview

 

[Tony Padilla]

I'm so sorry that you had/have to endure that. I have no patience w/ people who don't get it--who misplace their loyalties, affections, energies, and time into people who don't deserve it. Even if they have not suffered or been affected, taking a stand for someone (you) and perhaps having to pay a price and lose that other relationship........that's a courageous thing to do, the right thing to do. I'm sorry he won't stand with you. :hug:

Sorry I am confused and don't understand what you are talking about.

 

[Tony Padilla]

Are you thinking of going to the Parking Lot?
Might be a good idea for discussing different topics since this one is abt Tracys' interview

Whats the parking lot?

 

[OneLostGrl]

After hearing some of the audios from LP, TM, and RD I have "IMO" came to the conclusion that Casey does fit the profile of one with NPD. It has been said all along, and the more I hear of Casey the more convinced I am that she is narcissistic.

This is not a insanity defense so regardless of what the defense tries to pull out of their hat it won't fly "IMO". Casey is one sick individual and I think Cindy has a lot of these traits as well. I in no way found that Casey sounded like she had any other type of mental illness that would help her get out of this mess, but I am not Psychiatrist. I now wonder if the state had her tested for this disorder the first time she was let out on bail or anytime after? If I recall a while back I had read somewhere that the defense might try and go for an insanity defense, but then I never heard anything else about it. I think it was back when it was being said that maybe Caylee drowned in the pool. But why not call 911 right away right?

These tapes "IMO" will help the prosecution seal Casey's destiny and I think that is why Baez did not want their testimony to be admissible.

Casey fits the profile for NPD to the (T)!

She (and her mother, IMO) have some features of ALL the Cluster B personality disorders. Personality disorders don't come wrapped up tight in neat little boxes... a person can (and often times does) have traits of several different PD's. For the most part, every personality disorder comes with a pattern of chaotic interpersonal relationships, impulsivity, lack or regard for others, unstable/often time unrealistic sense of self, anger and entitlement issues, blaming others, sexual acting out, and attention seeking behaviors. "Personality disorders" are more like a bunch of coping mechanisms that have been learned over a persons lifetime that have become pervasive and self-defeating.

I see Borderline, Anti-social, Narcissistic, Histronic, Dependent and Paranoid features in both Casey AND her mother... though I don't think they have each disorder. If a dx were based on features alone, half (probably more than half actually) the people with personality disorders would have a diagnosis a mile long.

 

[christee]

Whats the parking lot?

It's a forum where members only can go
The topics are a little less restricted.

 

[Tony Padilla]

It's a forum where members only can go
The topics are a little less restricted.

Okay thanks. I will check it out. By the way I love the beach!!! I would go every day if it was closer to me.

 

[Tony Padilla]

Okay bedtime for me. I was working on a bond but it's not looking good. oh well! Good night all!!!

 

[OneLostGrl]

Whats the parking lot?

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parking lot- just click and find the thread you want!

 

[christee]

Ok Tony, but if you leave now I'll get slapped!:slap:
lol JK

(Ditto abt the beach-the Fam likes Anna Maria Island in Fla.)


Bye TP!

 

[OneLostGrl]

Scweh! Lord have mercy on us...but, here goes, it is not evil men whom we should fear most, but the indifference of GOOD men...have you ever heard that one? I actually heard it in a movie once but it stuck with me all through the years because it is the truth.

I will tell you a story to put this in perspective. I know a girl whose mother is a sociopath. This girl has siblings. This mother abused this girl horribly and hideously and yet supported and enabled the "other" siblings, whom, I might add were living none too savoury lives...The girl asked her brother one day how he could just look over everything that their mother did to HER and simply continue on engaging in a relationship with her as he did? His response, she's good to me...She pays my bills. She brings me food. She does my laundry...etc...So the girl says but you KNOW how much she abuses and hurts and neglects ME, you have seen it all our lives...and the boy says, yeah, but she doesn't do that to me...

and the girl does not understand...

and the girl is me.