2008.09.18 Tracy M Interview Audio #1

[The Eunice Burns]

If I am reading this right then you are way off. Tracy really connected with Casey. Had she not formed a connection/relationship then she would have not been able to get anything out of her. Look how Leonard handled it. He wnt into that house cussing and shouting and calling her names and acting like a fool. She threw his out of there. The same would have happened to Tracy. I really believe that had Leonard not acted that way that Casey would have opened up more and possibly and I say possibly would have said more. Strictly speculation on my part but thats an interesting story in itself.

Tony, I did say that I had never been in that situation. I will try and clarify..I know that Tracy was very valuable and useful in getting things out of KC that she shared w/ LE. I'm not questioning her usefulness. I was just wondering if a person would need to form a real connection (that apparently continued till recent months) to acheive that goal. I could imagine pretending to like KC, feel sorry for her, play her silly games, have stupid conversations, etc, all for the end result of being able to get useful info. Then, when the job was done, the acting is done, and you kick her to the curb where she belongs. That is what I was trying to say. I don't understand the need to form a connection, good or bad, w/ someone of this character. But, as I have said in this forum before, I am very cynical. So, that's how I see it. As for LP, I have also said that I think he is a mixed bag, so to speak. I haven't agreed w/ everything he has done or said. But, I wonder how frustrated and pissed he got after knowing that she wasn't going to talk and tell any of you anything useful. Maybe he thought under some pressure (good cop, bad cop) she'd crack. And respectfully, I disagree w/ you. KC wasn't going to tell the truth or give anyone anything workable to help find where Caylee really was. LP going off on her didn't alter that in any way. IMO, she parceled out exactly what she wanted Tracy to know.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

Sorry I am confused and don't understand what you are talking about.

I know you've signed off for now, but my post was to magic cat.

 

[magic-cat]

Here is one more tiny story to put it in perspective.
I know a man who had some children. He then remarried a woman who had some children. When Christmas came around all the children congregated at this man's home to share it with him. They brought their children along. Now this woman, his wife, had a Santa come in and deliver presents to all of the grandchildren-hers and his. Each present prettily wrapped and looking all the same on the OUTSIDE...but when you looked closer, you would see that the woman's grandchildren got name brand Barbie Dolls and the man's grandchildren got Dollar Store Fashion Dolls...How Santa KNEW to single out this man's grandchildren for the cheap stuff is a mystery, isn't it? So this woman appears good to those SHE cares for, but to those she does NOT care for? She does not appear good in the least. It is about looking beyond ones own personal "bubble" and seeing what is right before ones eyes...the reality is that to someone important to the Anthony's, and who would be more important than a wealthy man who bonded out their daughter and may potentially be useful to them in the future, if only by maintaining courteous contact?, they would maintain their most courteous and respectful demeanors...but they would be PRETENDING, playacting and it would not be REAL.

These people are not good people. Having been subjected to some people very much like them, and seeing the dynamics of how they operate, I can know this without ever having exchanged pleasantries with them.

 

[OneLostGrl]

If I am reading this right then you are way off. Tracy really connected with Casey. Had she not formed a connection/relationship then she would have not been able to get anything out of her. Look how Leonard handled it. He wnt into that house cussing and shouting and calling her names and acting like a fool. She threw his out of there. The same would have happened to Tracy. I really believe that had Leonard not acted that way that Casey would have opened up more and possibly and I say possibly would have said more. Strictly speculation on my part but thats an interesting story in itself.

I think you are probably right. Ya gotta play "good cop" with someone like Casey.

 

[trafficsUP66]

Maybe she put the duct tape across her mouth because she didn't want Caylee to scream when she started to drown.

As horrible it is to picture, this has been the first time I have ever felt like there was evidence that included the pool. I know it has been speculated before, but it wasn't until hearing Tracy speak of the ladder being in the pool (I took it as being unhooked and sunken) and KC using the shovel to pull it out, that it really became viable to me.

OR she HAD to wrap her face in the tape because possibly anytime she approached the pool with caylee she'd scream and cry out--as I think KC was so evil and jealous of beautiful caylee that she took every opportunity to scare/torture her. (silence in the videos--specially 123 Cheese & the breakfast one) Unlike grandma holding her & swimming around I wouldn't put it past monster mommy letting her go underwater purposely, letting her sink then pulling her back up and doing it all over again.

That was difficult to type--but this is a diabolical sociopath capable of anything........I thought way back I heard somewhere that Caylee never wanted to go swimming with her mother but did with her GM.

I remember seeing a video where Cindy's in the pool with caylee and KC shows up--she tells Caylee 'there's mommy, wave to mommy' and when Caylee turned around her smile and laughter disappeared, replaced with uncertainty and a frown. Fearful. (Like, OH NO she's not coming in too)

I saw the video on You Tube. I have it saved on my new Mac of which I've locked myself out of so don't have the link right now.......too tired to look!

Anyway, she may have thought she could then get the duct tape off and call them with an "accident" story but found out no way it wold work without leaving huge tell-tale marks or cutting it--therefore cutting her hair? This would also explain the dogs hitting at the pool area.....and why she borrowed the shovel since she obviously didn't use it to bury Caylee down the street yet had it for more than just a few minutes?
Another reason would be so that the neighbors would not hear Caylee's cries, which would get higher pitched and more forceful as she got closer to the pool with her--then have to explain why she hadn't heard her before she could drown???
I know. Wrong thread for this..........but I just wanted to answer why i think this is a real possibility.

Except that TM says KC mentions the chloroform BEFORE the report. BUT that could have been for cleaning the trunk since the report was that it was an extremely high content?

Giving the nutjob too much credit though...........for brain-power.

 

[magic-cat]

I'm so sorry that you had/have to endure that. I have no patience w/ people who don't get it--who misplace their loyalties, affections, energies, and time into people who don't deserve it. Even if they have not suffered or been affected, taking a stand for someone (you) and perhaps having to pay a price and lose that other relationship........that's a courageous thing to do, the right thing to do. I'm sorry he won't stand with you. :hug:

Totally OT I know, but in the end, once she no longer HAD me as her personal torture candidate, she wound up turning on him and letting him have it with all her guns trained directly on him! He wound up homeless and living IN a homeless shelter for 10 months thanks to her enabling and then attacking. He learned the hard way what I had been living all of my life. I personally have not spoken to her in seven years now, and they have been the most healing and constructive years of my entire life.

This is why even if someone is GOOD to me and yet I KNOW they are NOT good to others, then it just does not fly and I do not accept the face value of that goodness...because I know of a certainty that it is false. You cannot be good and evil at the same time...You cannot serve two masters.

Likewise, the Anthony family putting on their most pretty face for Tony. It doesn't fly with me because I have seen their most despicable face aimed at someone as kind and goodhearted as Tim Miller...so I KNOW it is not TRUE it is an ACT.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

These people are not good people. Having been subjected to some people very much like them, and seeing the dynamics of how they operate, I can know this without ever having exchanged pleasantries with them.

respectfully snipped.....

I agree. And furthermore, the posts conveying understanding of the As, and their likeability-- but not condoning or agreeing w/ their behavior? I don't get it, and I never will get it. :waitasec:

 

[The Eunice Burns]

Totally OT I know, but in the end, once she no longer HAD me as her personal torture candidate, she wound up turning on him and letting him have it with all her guns trained directly on him! He wound up homeless and living IN a homeless shelter for 10 months thanks to her enabling and then attacking. He learned the hard way what I had been living all of my life. I personally have not spoken to her in seven years now, and they have been the most healing and constructive years of my entire life.

This is why even if someone is GOOD to me and yet I KNOW they are NOT good to others, then it just does not fly and I do not accept the face value of that goodness...because I know of a certainty that it is false. You cannot be good and evil at the same time...You cannot serve two masters.

Likewise, the Anthony family putting on their most pretty face for Tony. It doesn't fly with me because I have seen their most despicable face aimed at someone as kind and goodhearted as Tim Miller...so I KNOW it is not TRUE it is an ACT.

BBM Absolutely, 100% correct!

 

[magic-cat]

respectfully snipped.....

I agree. And furthermore, the posts conveying understanding of the As, and their likeability-- but not condoning or agreeing w/ their behavior? I don't get it, and I never will get it. :waitasec:

Well my dear it is simple really. The angel Lucifer, Satan if you will, does appear, and I stress that word, APPEAR, as an angel of LIGHT...and yet, the light is far from him and completely beyond his reach.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Experts aren't paid to lie is , respectfully, the funniest, most naive thing I have ever read, ever! Read one their books one day and you will find quotes to the effect of "It depends which side is paying you". Experts are paid to interpret evidence in a manner that is most favorable to their client and to poke holes in the methods of the other experts, that is the only reason Linda wants the bench notes from the doctors and scientists on this case to dispute their work, trust me, remember OJ's forensic experts "Garbage in, Garbage Out, something is wrong": Dr. Henry Lee . Pick any expert, go to the library or the net this morning, look up some of their writings, you will come to understand. They are not paid to "lie", but money can buy an expert to interpret any person's behavior favorably, all day long, that is how they are jokingly referred to as hired guns, and very often discredited under cross exam with one simple question, "You were paid over twenty thousand dollars to come here today, correct"? God bless you, I know you have a true heart and this apparently comes as a surprise to you. I was in your position once, my first day as a paralegal. Oh the lovely view from those very temporary, rose colored glasses!:blowkiss:

LOL- I don't think he/she needs to read a book about it, she/he is an expert!

 

[Sdavidson11]

This is hilarious!!! I had to log on and respond when I read this. First of all if you ever see me with Baez in conjunction with this case then please shoot me. He has BS'd us and lied to us since the beginning and I wouldn't give him the time of day. We have absolutely no affiliation with anybody except me, Tracy, Rob and Leonard. As for why Leonard is talking with Jose everyday I couldn't tell you. My theory is that he's been out of the loop (No NG and very little TV time). He was very upset when I was on the Today Show and he wasn't even asked. He loves being in front of the camera. As for me I don't mind it at all and if you go back and look I do fine there. If you knew more about me you would know that I am a very confident person. More than you could imagine. I used this forum from day 1 to get the facts and the truth out about our involvement. We were ridiculed for getting involved and I felt that this forum was perfect to speak about the truths of this case. I have never blogged about this case anywhere else. We went to Orlando to try and find Caylee alive. When that wasn't realistic anymore we surrendered Casey and flew home. I actually came home before that. As for Leonard and Baez I have no idea and he isn't telling me a word. Your guess is as good as mine. I haven't talk to that liar since the night Casey got out. And how do you think that the prosecution knew those documents that Baez provided to the court were altered. Focus on the facts. I do not lie!!!! Leonard's interview is very inaccurate to what really occurred. Tracy and Rob's details are almost exactly what happened. Rob hasn't jumped anywhere. We all talk all the time. In fact Rob and I were talking about some of the details regarding the Jose contract just the other day. We all talk but not trying to conspire with Baez. No thanks!!! There I hope I explained myself. But one more thing, it's theories like yours that drives Tracy crazy. When we were in Orlando I would read these things to Tracy and she would go nuts. I mostly read them to her to see her go crazy. I enjoyed it!! Most everybody on here has been very respectful. Some people have quite an imagination (I think way too much TV).

Tony, this is where there may be confusion. Here at WS we use facts that turn into personal theories. From there other posters put in ideas and information that they may have about a case. Then the forum starts to decipher the information, decides what may be legitimate and what does not fit the Hypothesis and we go from there trying to get an answer to a question or solve a missing piece of a case. Most of the posters here are professionals and use the job skills that they have and apply them to help solving a question rather than rely on a biased news media. Some of the professionals could be lawyers that answer our legal questions that we have regarding a particular case or statement that someone has made. It is sort of like a cross word puzzle with people helping to fill in the missing letter from all over the world if the case draws that kind of attention. Thanks for being here but please don't insult us with the to much TV comment. As I said, most here are college educated or have been crime victims themselves which also adds valuable insight when looking for answers.

 

[magic-cat]

I think you are probably right. Ya gotta play "good cop" with someone like Casey.

PLAY being the key word though, don't ya think? You don't play good cop and then get sucked into the mire and the muck with whom you are "playing"...it would be a role, a starring role no doubt! but a role nonetheless and when one was done with the role, one would move on...an attachment of some sort? I don't think for one second that Tracy developed any kind of attachment to Casey. She was pretty clear that she loathed her time there. So I think she must have still been "in character" until about three months ago when she stopped communicating with her...but what brought the "role" to an end is what I wonder? Three months ago would have been around the anniversary of her disappearance...wonder if that ties in at all?

 

[The Eunice Burns]

I think you are probably right. Ya gotta play "good cop" with someone like Casey.

True. But IMO, in the end, it wouldn't have made a bit of difference if LP had not gone off on KC and been thrown out of the house. She told LE, her parents, and Tracy exactly what she wanted them to know. She was in control of that the whole time, and probably loving every minute of it.

 

[OneLostGrl]

What stood out for me on this interview is the TIMELINE. CA thinks that they are off by a week on the day Caylee was last seen. OFF BY A WEEK!!!. the child was kiddnapped and they can't even tell us what day it happend. CA does not have the strenght to figure it out? Are you kidding me? How on earth these people sleep at night is beyond me. :furious: :furious: :furious:

:clap::clap:

 

[magic-cat]

True. But IMO, in the end, it wouldn't have made a bit of difference if LP had not gone off on KC and been thrown out of the house. She told LE, her parents, and Tracy exactly what she wanted them to know. She was in control of that the whole time, and probably loving every minute of it.

Let's think about what she told them.

♣ Rob do I look good?
♣ I need to put on my eyemakeup so I can play the sunglasses game with Rob.
♣ If I could get away with it I would sign autographed photos of myself to raise money for the defense fund.
♣ We need more donations.
♣ I am eating all kinds of wonderful food courteousy of the "media" and am enjoying the perks of my celebrity status.
♣ What outfit will look best on me when I am being filmed tomorrow for television on my "outings"?
♣ How should I fix my hair?
♣ Let's play dress the same and pretend you are also on house arrest ok Tracy? We will both have ankle monitors (cept yours will be a watch but we will still pretend...hehehehe)
♣ Are the helicopters out watching me today?
♣ Look men on MySpace still adore me!
♣ Sure Caylee was cute but look at how cute I was!
♣ So what their was a dead body in my car. You can't prove I put it there-mwahahahaha!

and on and on like that...

Casey's Cavernous Empty Cave where others have a SOUL!

 

[OneLostGrl]

PLAY being the key word though, don't ya think? You don't play good cop and then get sucked into the mire and the muck with whom you are "playing"...it would be a role, a starring role no doubt! but a role nonetheless and when one was done with the role, one would move on...an attachment of some sort? I don't think for one second that Tracy developed any kind of attachment to Casey. She was pretty clear that she loathed her time there. So I think she must have still been "in character" until about three months ago when she stopped communicating with her...but what brought the "role" to an end is what I wonder? Three months ago would have been around the anniversary of her disappearance...wonder if that ties in at all?

I was pissed anyone bailed her out of jail! I believe if she had stayed in jail from the first arrest she'd have worn down and spilled her guts. Not for one second did I ever believe that LP rode into town with his posse because he thought Caylee was alive or that he thought Casey was being truthful about the situation. We ALL knew by that point that she was a liar, even the judge said "Ms anthony and the truth are strangers" yet LP, the bounty hunter, couldn't see through it? bah!

 

[strach304]

Maybe they felt Tracy was perfect for the job because she has the patience of a saint?

 

[Lexington]

I found it very odd that LP's interview was so lengthy, especially since he spent the least amount of time in the home or near Casey. He stated that he got involved because a friend from NY (whom he had known for a long time) called him and they were discussing the case. LE did NOT ask him the friend's name. Why not?

This is what I want to know too. LP specifically stated that it was not Geraldo, but didn't say who and was not asked. You would think that this would be of key interest to LE as they seemed to be questioning LP's motives for getting involved in the case.

 

[magic-cat]

I was pissed anyone bailed her out of jail! I believe if she had stayed in jail from the first arrest she'd have worn down and spilled her guts. Not for one second did I ever believe that LP rode into town with his posse because he thought Caylee was alive or that he thought Casey was being truthful about the situation. We ALL knew by that point that she was a liar, even the judge said "Ms anthony and the truth are strangers" yet LP, the bounty hunter, couldn't see through it? bah!

Yeah I know...we, who do not possess a lifetime of skills such as would be required by those in their line of work, could see the truth of it-we could see straight through and to her and how could they, these learned, experienced, professional men...not see it?

there it is right there...

Men...

Perhaps the Casey charm worked on them and that was all they chose to see...???:waitasec: Pretty little cute young thang...man, isn't she cute? Please tell me it ain't so...but what else could it be? Judge Strickland knew she and the truth were not acquainted...so why didn't these other guys know it?

 

[magic-cat]

Maybe they felt Tracy was perfect for the job because she has the patience of a saint?

Probably. Tracy seemed like she was pretty laid back and intuitive in many ways...