2009.05.21 Annie D. Deposition

[Truthwillsetufree]

I'm totally amazed at the fact people can pussy foot around Miss Thang(KC) to the point she can have other people believe their safety or lives are at risk. I realize Annie is young, but all of KC's friends have been and were buffaloed by her and then throw in CA and GA who bought it lock, stock and barrel. If their lives were so at risk what in the world were they doing all that yard work in the front yard at that time? I know, I was watching the web cam. Why were they provoking protesters, if their lives were in such peril? Amazing is all I can say, especially when at the time a 2 year olds life hung in the balance or so we thought. I do think Annie is telling the truth, but I also think her lawyer has coached her very well. In other words. Answer the question. Do not give any more information that is asked of you, do not elaborate, do not guess, do not speculate.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Good find on those Emails Annie sent to Tony L. She sure does seem to want a lot of information from Tony... so, why not want to know the answers to these questions directly from the one person who can answer them?

I guess on the other hand that if she was seriously allowing herself to believe Casey's version on events that she did have a fear that her involvement with Casey could put herself in danger... but, then why spend the night in her home or even associate yourself with Casey at all? So, frustrating.

 

[chefmom]

I just LOVE the way that the attorneys bring up how Zanny is a "10" everytime they discuss her! Hahahaha! Can't wait till they hit CA and GA with this additional descriptive added into the questioning! CA is gonna rue the day that she decided to announce that Zanny was a "10"!

 

[travelgal]

I'm just thrilled they got the stuff about the traffic ticket as sworn testimony. If there are any "mis-truths" or "half-truths" in her depo, it can all come back to bite her in the criminal trial, and may be a nice bargaining chip for the SA if they need to press for more or better details.

I still have a real problem why someone who was admittedly not very close any longer to KC - barely seeing her within the space of a year - would suddenly find the need to be comforted by her and her alone over a "personal matter" and be whisked by CA and GA to the home amidst a crowd of hungry media and ugly-minded protestors...I wouldn't think anyone would want to risk that kind of exposure unless it was very, very important.

I agree with you, cecybeans. Annie is a very confusing gal. Seems like she wants to be helpful but I am not sure just how forthcoming she was today or in her LE interviews. Something just doesn't seem right to me.

 

[MAMABEAR]

I'm having trouble with AD's statement about not wanting to be the one who knows. If this was my best friends child, I would want to know. Caylee was still missing at this point so wouldn't she do anything possible to help find her. She helped with the shirts, flyers and timeline. I don't understand why, after spending hours with KC she would not want to know. The whole window thing has me "baffled" as well. OK, now tell me, why can't we sit near the window?

Weren't the protesters out front? Maybe KC was scared one of them would shoot her?

Have been thinking why Annie might not have wanted to know what really happened. Maybe Annie was afraid to know that her old friend could do such a thang. OK---she could handle that KC was a thief/huge lair---maybe she had thought about it but to actually find out from the horse's mouth that she had taken the life of her dear sweet baby. Maybe her brain wasn't ready to hear that. She is young and I bet she was scared to know. IDK

 

[travelgal]

Well, Annie sure had a lot of questions for Tony. That's weird for someone who stated today that she didn't want to know anything from Casey. I'm thinking Annie had some help from an Anthony in writing that list of questions.

My Bold

Spot on, Dear Prudence. I, too, felt the hand of the Anthony's behind these messages and questions. She doesn't ask KC anything but pumps TL for info that is none of her business!

 

[MAMABEAR]

I'm just thrilled they got the stuff about the traffic ticket as sworn testimony. If there are any "mis-truths" or "half-truths" in her depo, it can all come back to bite her in the criminal trial, and may be a nice bargaining chip for the SA if they need to press for more or better details.

I still have a real problem why someone who was admittedly not very close any longer to KC - barely seeing her within the space of a year - would suddenly find the need to be comforted by her and her alone over a "personal matter" and be whisked by CA and GA to the home amidst a crowd of hungry media and ugly-minded protestors...I wouldn't think anyone would want to risk that kind of exposure unless it was very, very important.

:slap:BOOOO! (I dis lub that lil buddy slap smiley.)
Cuz somebody had to pay that ticket for KC. The one for ZG22 or whatever. Wish I could have whispered in the guy askin the Qs to ask more stuff about ZG22. Like "Did any of the A's have you do any favors?"---"Did they ask you to go pay a traffic ticket?"

And Beans---when I saw this "ugly-minded protestors" in you post---it jerked my mind back to the time KC called 911 about the protesters cuz she was afraid her parents might not be able to hold them back and they might get into the house and get to her. That has to be the only reason she called 911---she sure didn't call 911 when "somebody" stole her baby---killed her---threw her sweet lil body out in the woods. OK! Having flash backs now. Sorry, hope I didn't jerk anybody else back to that memory---cuz I know ya'll get same feeling about stuff.

 

[magic-cat]

AKA a "fair weather friend"

AD may have feared the worst and even suspected KC but did not want to go there, mentally. Based on prior KC conversations, 2 + 2 = 5

Then why oh why spend the night with her???

She testified at her depo that she didn't want to be the person who knew because of personal safety reasons. Remember KC was only charged with child neglect at this time and Annie thought Caylee was alive. KC referred to "they"as having taken her. I can definitely appreciate her not wanting any information that may make her a target of "they". I think it shows wisdom beyond her years. Remember, curiosity killed the cat.

One who was concerned about their own personal safety, it would seem, would not have gone and stayed all night with Casey in the 1st place I think. BUT and here is the catch-once they snuck Annie in (and recall, they did sneak her in-she rode ducked down in one of their-the Anthonys-vehicles and then did not emerge until the garage door was closed.) NOBODY knew she was there. There was no personal jeopardy to her as her visit(s) were a secret event.

With the things that Annie DID admit that Casey told her-the chloroform question that she asked her, and then the Someone is telling me to say all this, and the She is close-I feel it in my heart-my gut, and the She will be back home by her 3rd birthday, and When this is all said and done I have so much to tell you!-she told us LOADS of information. Those things were not just random tidbits thrown out into the open air. These women were engaged in a conversation about Caylee and what was happening. What bits have been left out? Surely some have, because the ones that were shared do not flow naturally together, and with her daughter missing and Annie spending the night, was/is Casey REALLY that shallow as to talk of nothing but friends, and if so, why did Annie not make some effort to find out the truth? A two year old child was missing and who better to talk about it with Casey then her old best buddy?

I think a huge opportunity was lost if Annie actually shut Casey down each time she tried to discuss it. That is a big IF-there was some conversation, or we would not have the aforementioned "tidbits".

 

[travelgal]

:slap:BOOOO! (I dis lub that lil buddy slap smiley.)
Cuz somebody had to pay that ticket for KC. The one for ZG22 or whatever. Wish I could have whispered in the guy askin the Qs to ask more stuff about ZG22. Like "Did any of the A's have you do any favors?"---"Did they ask you to go pay a traffic ticket?"

And Beans---when I saw this "ugly-minded protestors" in you post---it jerked my mind back to the time KC called 911 about the protesters cuz she was afraid her parents might not be able to hold them back and they might get into the house and get to her. That has to be the only reason she called 911---she sure didn't call 911 when "somebody" stole her baby---killed her---threw her sweet lil body out in the woods. OK! Having flash backs now. Sorry, hope I didn't jerk anybody else back to that memory---cuz I know ya'll get same feeling about stuff.

Hey, Mamma, maybe they did get some of that info on ZG22 when they went off video for a few minutes. There was somethings I think they covered out of our vision & earshot.

I, also, wanted to ask if you know when your buddy, Lenny will be deposed? I have lost track with all the changes. Thanks, MamaB. :blowkiss:

 

[MAMABEAR]

I have to say to Madjgnlaw, I do think that the "they" that Casey references to is Cindy and Lee....I still say that they had all buried little Caylee under that play house, after she died while at that house...They are all in on this together. The A's and KC had a big fight after wards, KC came back home, borrowed the shovel, moved little Caylee's body. I keep going back to the very first thing KC said on the phone to CA from jail "YOU don't know what my involvement is?? NO" All this time, the A's have been trying to play it up as someone else has taken Caylee....this whole thing has been a big charade on the A's part....MO I wouldn't be surprised is CA was the one to put that heart sticker on that duct tape.....they all make me sick.....MO

Wow! What "food" for thought. Wow! Thanks! Gonna have to dwell on this one a few days. Hmmmmmmm even. LOL OMG. :blowkiss:

 

[MAMABEAR]

Hey, Mamma, maybe they did get some of that info on ZG22 when they went off video for a few minutes. There was somethings I think they covered out of our vision & earshot.

I, also, wanted to ask if you know when your buddy, Lenny will be deposed? I have lost track with all the changes. Thanks, MamaB. :blowkiss:

I hope they did get something from Annie at the off times. Is funny how they are goin in the same direction with this ZG22. You can tell that is where they are goin. Wonder who all is helping Morgan and bunch with what kind of questions to ask. Gotta lub it. LOL

All I know about LP is that Morgan wants him after the A's get thru. Can't wait for that one. LOL Bet he never gives one.

 

[Leila]

After Caylee went missing, Cindy and Annie had a conversation...
Q: during those conversations there, tell me everything that you can remember about Cindy trying--- exactly what you were latking about when you say you were trying to find out where Caylee was. Tell me a little bit more about what Cindy was saying about what Casey had said and the lies she had told.

A: Those were the two things that I -- the one conversation about my college graduation, how I said that, you konw, I was upset becuase casey had to leave and I was mad at Cindy. I told Cindy I was mad at you becuase you pulle her out of my graduation. She said well, you know, she stole a bunch of money from me. I said I thought it was because she wasn't registered for school. She said she doesn't even have a high school diploma. So those two are tied together.

Annie graduated from high school in 2003, and I'm assuming that she then began college in the fall of 2003. That would put Annie's graduation in June of 2007. So the problem with Casey stealing money from Cindy dates back to at least June 2007. Casey was probably stealing money prior to that, but at least we now have a bit more of a time frame.

 

[Leila]

I just watched Annie's depo, and my first impression is that she's credible. She seemed truthful and willing to help as best she could.

I think she's addressed a lot of issues we've discussed. One that stood out was the traffic ticket that Annie got in 2008. She says she was alone at the time, but coincidently, talking to Casey on her cell phone. She didn't know if Casey had an alternate ID, and we can surmise that the attorney'squestion was in regards to whether Casey had a drivers license under the name of ZFG.

Annie confirmed the issue of Casey stealing money from her mother and the credit card use.

 

[Leila]

I read the transcript, can't open any videos, for some unknown reason. But I sure wish I could see Annie's face to see if I could see by her facial expressions if she is lying or not. I think she is. She has to know more than she is telling.

I haven't read the transcript, but watched the entire video, part 1 and 2 of her depo. I felt she was credible and truthful. Her facial expression when asked a question were of someone listening to the question, giving it some thought and answering. She sometimes reflected a bit as if thinking about what was going on in her own life at the time of the question.......like most people would do. Her answer would be, "I was still in college at the time, so it would have had to have been......." I did note that when she was asked about selling drugs, she had a look of indignation that someone would accuse her of such. She denied it with finality.

 

[2goldfish]

Weren't the protesters out front? Maybe KC was scared one of them would shoot her?

Have been thinking why Annie might not have wanted to know what really happened. Maybe Annie was afraid to know that her old friend could do such a thang. OK---she could handle that KC was a thief/huge lair---maybe she had thought about it but to actually find out from the horse's mouth that she had taken the life of her dear sweet baby. Maybe her brain wasn't ready to hear that. She is young and I bet she was scared to know. IDK

this is what I think too...she just wanted the benefit of the doubt that someone she cared about wouldnt kill a baby.

 

[AnotherGladysKravitz]

I think the fact that Annie and CA both didn't want to know details means they absolutely knew this was not a kidnapping case at all. They didn't want to know things because they knew it would just be incriminating to KC. Plausible deniability in this case equals suspicion of guilt.

Exactly! I cannot for the life of me figure out why AD "didn't want to be the one" because she already was involved with the case because of the Xanax IM. Casey had already implicated her, wouldn't she have been IRATE? I know I would be, and I'd want to know Everything. Everything. None of this "I can't believe my friend's a killer" pussyfooting around BS. That's nonsense.

AD sounded somewhat credible, but my "gut" tells me she's not.


moo

 

[Valhall]

I think she sounded and acted credible through-out almost the entire depo. There are two places she acted differently.

1. When asked about her ticket and whether KC was with her...she did the "too much information thingy" and prattled off "actually I was on the phone with her [KC]". AD had just got through acting like she thought the ticket took place much longer ago than a year, but she remembers she was talking to KC (some one she is no longer hanging around with at that time, by the way!)

2. When they asked her if KC had an alias. For every question in the depo that AD didn't have a specific answer she just immediately said "not that I know of", but when asked if KC had an alias, she paused, made a really scrunched up goofy face, and finally said "not that I know of"...with a caveat "but I knew her after she was 21".

 

[Mare10]

Weren't the protesters out front? Maybe KC was scared one of them would shoot her?

Have been thinking why Annie might not have wanted to know what really happened. Maybe Annie was afraid to know that her old friend could do such a thang. OK---she could handle that KC was a thief/huge lair---maybe she had thought about it but to actually find out from the horse's mouth that she had taken the life of her dear sweet baby. Maybe her brain wasn't ready to hear that. She is young and I bet she was scared to know. IDK

Thanks Mamabear ITA but why didn't she just say that? I also believe that she was coached well to just answer the questions and nothing more. She said that she didn't want to be the person that knew. I just wished that they asked her more and why not. She may have received more information as to who has Caylee (we now know what we know but at the time ...) and the reason that this is all going on is because you are all looking for Caylee. I also don't think that in the midst of all this she wanted to be with KC because she needed someone to talk to about her own personal issues. That doesn't make sense to me. I think she was truthful but I don't think she told the whole truth. It's so frustrating

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Maybe I am just to the point were I just don't understand anything about this case or find everyone to be telling half-truths. I find it soooo odd that Annie spent so much time with the Anthony's after Caylee went missing and even spent the night with Casey and had a second visit with her and Annie can say with a straight face She didn't want to be that person that knew everything:waitasec: So, what all did she know? I don't buy she was afraid of knowing because if that was the case she would of never went over to the Anthony's home or kept the line of communication going for so long. She backed out when she found out that Casey had accused her of selling xanax.

Annie Downing says right after she got of jail the first time last year, Casey almost confided in her about Caylee's disappearance.

“She would start saying something and I would back out of it, I really didn't want to know, I didn't want to be that person that knew everything,” said Downing. http://www.wftv.com/news/19532607/detail.html

 

[Tiki]

Oh, well - does anyone REALLY think KC woid have told her the truth?!?

She wouldn't trust AD not to tell LE and KC won't ever tell what happened.
She just lies, lies, lies and would have lied to AD, too - maybe a different story but still a lie.

I think all the stuff she wanted to tell AD after it was all "said and done", was stuff about TL. I bet she thought she could get him back - kinda' like Scarlett O'Hara.