2009.12.11 Discuss Motions hearing. One year to the day Caylee Found #1

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  • #861
In this video she colors with her left hand but holds crayons in both hands and her left foot between her big and middle toe. She's adorable and this is heartbreaking so I don't suggest viewing. Just proof of the question asked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpb2jyHCx20

thank you my dear, I dont think I can handle any more tears for caylee today but that's what I wanted to know. I know from my lil ones that handedness doesnt show up for awhile.

KC in court grabbing her left hand made me wonder if caylee were right handed and trying to fight off her mother with her dominant hand..although this is neither here nor there and she would have used both hands... if she could.

I didnt want this mental picture.
 
  • #862
You're goin down, KC, it's not lookin good for you based on these arguments today. Even a non-attorney like me can evaluate the weaknesses of these arguments.....Beg for a plea bargain and save yourself now.

I know - what was that nonsense argument for having the tapes destroyed all about?? Why even waste time with that nonsense - I'll never get that 10 minutes of my life back!
 
  • #863
In the very first hearing I remember Casey having a moment where her eyes searched the air in a confused manner and she raised her arms in front of her in that classic "warding off blows" mannerism. She looked very far away and very much in a confused moment. I wondered about it then and still do. I had the strong impression at the time that she was remembering some situation in which she'd been threatened but her eyes were searching like she was trying to remember what happened. It was weird.

But in this hearing, the weirdest one yet, that sudden "ow!" and reaching for the back of her head as if she'd been hit from behind. I was like, what?! I'm going to have to review to see what was being said when she did that, I think it was very early on, can't remember which motion. Maybe when Dominick C's lawyer was up.

I saw it too. It was very strange. I think it was in the first motion. She was playing with her hair then touched the back of her head and said ow. She look like she was very uncomfortable.

BBM

I saw the same thing, and my mind said, "It must be the Fickle Finger of Fate"

I think what that was was Casey got a huge dose of accountability, perhaps for the first time in her life.
 
  • #864
In the very first hearing I remember Casey having a moment where her eyes searched the air in a confused manner and she raised her arms in front of her in that classic "warding off blows" mannerism. She looked very far away and very much in a confused moment. I wondered about it then and still do. I had the strong impression at the time that she was remembering some situation in which she'd been threatened but her eyes were searching like she was trying to remember what happened. It was weird.

But in this hearing, the weirdest one yet, that sudden "ow!" and reaching for the back of her head as if she'd been hit from behind. I was like, what?! I'm going to have to review to see what was being said when she did that, I think it was very early on, can't remember which motion. Maybe when Dominick C's lawyer was up.


BBM I missed this, I am going to have to go back and look....was it around the same time when she had her arm up?
 
  • #865
Lots of comments coming in here about her displays of emotion and body language. It's always hard for me to make firm conclusions about any of that. I do have an open question for anyone and it's a hypothetical.


If KC is being wrongly accused of premeditated murder (and she would know this) what would be her expected reactions and emotions while on camera in this courtroom situation? Would it be entirely different than what we saw?

Glad you asked this question!

It isn't the observation of just one day in the courtroom, it is an accumulation of observations over the course of time.
 
  • #866
I just wonder how much arrogance it takes to actually believe laws (sunshine, visiting) should be changed just for YOU...it's mindblowing...I hope Strickland shoots them down...fast.
 
  • #867
I think that the fact this is the only time we saw KC get emotional about Caylee's death is very telling! When they talked about her remains at that one hearing where she was wearing the white cardigan, she was doodling and laughing with JB. At the last hearing, where LDB said something about "protecting the child who is deceased"..nothing. As AL talked about Caylee's death while giving her ridiculously long speech, nothing. However, JA talks about what really seemed to go down and BOOM anger and tears. It's quite obvious she wasn't shedding tears for her daughter's death (she had never before at the mention) but rather that she's finally being confronted with it.

I agree...And didn't the boyfriend say KC had nightmares in the week following the murder. It seems reliving Caylee's death is the only thing that gets her worked up.
 
  • #868
Glad you asked this question!

It isn't the observation of just one day in the courtroom, it is an accumulation of observations over the course of time.

Thanks but you didn't really answer my question.

What would her on-camera emotions and body language look like if she was actually being falsely accused of murder one?
 
  • #869
Lots of comments coming in here about her displays of emotion and body language. It's always hard for me to make firm conclusions about any of that. I do have an open question for anyone and it's a hypothetical.


If KC is being wrongly accused of premeditated murder (and she would know this) what would be her expected reactions and emotions while on camera in this courtroom situation? Would it be entirely different than what we saw?

BBM. In answer to your question: totally different reaction. If she were innocent, I would expect to see a shaking of the head ("no, I didn't do that") and I would expect to see her breaking down at the graphic description of her daughter's dying moments and final breath. What I saw instead was initially anger and defiance, followed by a desperate attempt to control her emotions. This is just my opinion.
 
  • #870
What I also think is odd is that the defense/defenders of the defense...have somehow "let go" KC's elaborate lie about talking to Caylee on the phone the day of the 911 call, the zanny thing (the hottie that babysits forever for free), taking the police to places Zanny and her mom were supposed to be...then the script...about the attack at the park...what I think this boils down to is people's personal thoughts about whether a mother could kill her own child...since several have...it is kind of ridiculous to assume that KC could not have. Not one character witness...

Incidentally, AL, would be better suited to being a lobyist against the death penalty. Her passion against it is sorely wasted in this case.
 
  • #871
somewhere about 25 minutes into the AL death qualified jury speech (don't have a counter on it for time) JB & KC start whispering, IOW I had the capability of tuning out the drone of AL's voice to pick up what JB is saying.
 
  • #872
Lots of comments coming in here about her displays of emotion and body language. It's always hard for me to make firm conclusions about any of that. I do have an open question for anyone and it's a hypothetical.


If KC is being wrongly accused of premeditated murder (and she would know this) what would be her expected reactions and emotions while on camera in this courtroom situation? Would it be entirely different than what we saw?

IMO, Casey's reaction, IF wrongfully accused, would be the same as it has been from July 15, 2008 to the present.
 
  • #873
So if evil KC claims she did not kill her baby, then how does she explain riding around with her in the trunk for days on end? Why was she upset that GA wanted to get into that trunk to get his gas cans? So someone killed her baby, stuffed her in the trunk without evil KC knowing but yet KC never looked to see what the stench was? And then who removed the body from the trunk if not KC? Her goose is cooked and that is why we saw tears today other than the fact she is ticked off because she has to listen to things she does not want to hear. Too bad if she wants someone to say they love her, should have thought about that before all this. She is only crying for herself and the fact that she has no control over anything anymore. She cannot get her way as she is used to doing and it frustrates her to no end. In KC's mind, it is still all about her and nobody else. This is just a small dose of what we will see from KC during the trial.
 
  • #874
Kronk's lawyer on true tv now
 
  • #875
Kronk's Lawyer is on Court TV right now explaining why Kronk was in that area on several occasions
 
  • #876
Thanks but you didn't really answer my question.

What would her on-camera emotions and body language look like if she was actually being falsely accused of murder one?

The only way I can answer your question is if I pretended that I knew nothing about her past reactions.

SOooooooooo....I'll try.

Because of the anger and tensing up of her arms just prior to her outburst, I would think she was angry. I wouldn't know for sure if it was anger over being falsely accused or not. Honestly, I would have felt she would appear more frightened than angry if she were innocent.
 
  • #877
Thanks but you didn't really answer my question.

What would her on-camera emotions and body language look like if she was actually being falsely accused of murder one?


I think this is actually a good question to consider...sure we're all speculating here (myself included) about her body language, but I really don't know that I'd be able to answer this.

I think really none of us knows how every individual person would react. I might be angry and defiant, too, if someone were accusing me of something I didn't do.

You're right to raise that question, because I think it really is a grey area....we all just interpret it as we see it, I guess.
 
  • #878
Lots of comments coming in here about her displays of emotion and body language. It's always hard for me to make firm conclusions about any of that. I do have an open question for anyone and it's a hypothetical.


If KC is being wrongly accused of premeditated murder (and she would know this) what would be her expected reactions and emotions while on camera in this courtroom situation? Would it be entirely different than what we saw?

Personally, all outward appearances if I were accused of the heinous murder of my child which I did not commit, I would most likely have taken a mental vacation and/or inconsolable, sunken, seemingly defeated rather than inscrutable and belligerent.
I tend to wear my heart on my sleeve, friends and family will tell you that you never have to guess what's on my mind.

I would also absolutely have been panic stricken June 16th, called my immediate family and authorities, told everything I knew from the very start and broken down several times.
I know this because I have cried more times than I can count for this child that was never mine, we don't even have any children of our own yet but I can tell you that strong love for them is already present.
 
  • #879
The only times I have seen someone say "Make them stop" re: crime details were TRULY grieving parents whose children have been kidnapped or murdered by others. And watching those reactions are a lot different than KC's. I can imagine that in those situations thinking about what your child experienced is reliving their death over and over.
Understandable that in those situations, they would need to remove themselves from the courtroom and I don't blame them one bit.

I can imagine it *is* difficult for GA and CA to hear what happened to Caylee (verbally), and know, regardless of how they try to justify or ignore it, that their daughter is likely the one who did it. But I have no doubt their genuineness in the pain they feel for the loss of Caylee regardless of the lying, the protecting, the mistruths. They LOVED that little girl, there is no doubt about it. In no way did they want their granddaughter to die, and anyone who argues to the contrary, well, I will bite my tongue on that.

Say what you will about the Anthony's, and I will agree wholeheartedly. But they loved their granddaughter and to hear how she was murdered? That would have broke ME, too. It is a lot different hearing it in words than to read it in print. So much more "real". I didn't see them "make a scene" whatsoever. They removed themselves, and I don't think it was necessarily a bad thing. In a way, it shows that they weren't necessarily supporting KC while she cried. They were out for their own feelings. Good or bad, I feel that is a bit of a difference to what we've seen previously. They don't want to hear the details of Caylee's death. And they don't care if KC has to sit there by herself to listen.
 
  • #880
Kronk's Lawyer is on Court TV right now explaining why Kronk was in that area on several occasions

Please let the west-coasters know what he says! We are viewing this morning's trial. TruTV is not the same from coast to coast like HLN.

(Out here we have Ms. Lyons making her case.)
 
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