2009.12.11 Discuss Motions hearing. One year to the day Caylee Found #1

[LambChop]

BBM and of course I'm giving my own opinions too.

I saw her do "no" head shakes.
I saw her break down during the final breath moments description.
I might expect the falsely accused to request their attorney "Make him stop".


How much more totally different does it need to be?

The only thing I noticed which appeared telling was she first had a very "how dare you" look on her face and to me when she grabbed her wrist when Ashton talked about how Caylee was restrained. Sometimes when we are forced to review an incident we react to it in a physical way. That is what KC appears to be doing. JMO

 

[BostonSu]

Thanks but you didn't really answer my question.

What would her on-camera emotions and body language look like if she was actually being falsely accused of murder one?

I would except that she'd be crying , and I mean CRYING, not just dabbing, but full on heartbreaking cries everytime they talked about her beautiful baby dying.
She would look more confused and scared, less angry and arrogant. I saw FURY, not sadness, grief or fear on her face today.

 

[elementary]

I just watched the perp "crying" on HLN.

I contend she is a psychopath. Her "tears" that she "wiped" and "looked at" are amazingly predictable at this point. We have seen this MO in the past. Just check old videos. The very same actions. Quite stereotypical... "Oh look at me, I am crying. Look at me looking at my tears, yes, they're real because I am looking at something, I am hypnotising you to believe this and oh look at me wiping the "tears" from my eyes, which of course means that those tears are real and I am distressed. Nevermind the facts being presented, look at me so I can distract you from the truth. You are getting sleeeeepy, sleeeeepy ".

I loved when Baez leaned over in the midst of it to further encourage her look of "distress" and misdirect.

As for Baez's response to Kathi Belich, the "fairyland" comment. It's rather a waste, IMO, of airtime and a moment of my life. I've never watched before, and this just reminds me not to watch again.

It's clear that the perp has been coached.

 

[Bittiness39]

My response was to a "hypothetical" question of "what would Casey's reaction be if wrongly accused". Would it be the crying etc., etc.,

I totally see what you are saying. I just think her tears are for herself. We could totally be on the same page.

 

[2goldfish]

I believe a totally innocent person would never have made it to this point in the trial process. She would have reported her daughter missing and cooperated with LE. She would have confided in her friends and her top priority would have been Caylee from minute one. She'd have taken a lie detector and so would her family and they would have passed. She'd have broken out in hives or whatever, everytime a body was found and not just when one was found where ( I believe ) she dumped it. I'd be accepting visitors and would be smart enough to use the sunshine laws to my advantage in every phone call or video visitation. I could go on..
I don't know what to expect from KC after all the dream team coaching but if I were innocent and in Casey's shoes after doing all of the above, I'd be psychotic in court, raging with outrage if my childs killer was going free while I negotiated pre-trial details assuming my guilt. I wouldn't even care what I looked like or if I was ejected from the court. But then, I also would have insisted on a speedy trial and wouldn't care about LWOP vs the DP if I were wrongly convicted. I'd have no reason to live anyway and would want to die and be with my baby who knew I was innocent.
JMO- Good question Hodogs!

well, that would be me. the last few pages of this thread I have been wondering to myself if they throw the accused out of court for hysterics and how would the trial EVER complete, cause I can tell you right now I'd be screaming and crying my head off. I'm not and never will be once of those strong quiet and shall I even say dignified people. If my little boy was murdered (and in two weeks he will be older than caylee ever got to be) you couldnt stop my screaming when they were discussing the details if you had 10 guns pointed at me. and i I were convicted? kill me. I wouldnt live without my baby anyways.

so, yours was post of the year IMO.

 

[wenwe4]

I tried and couldn't make it. So what were they saying??

I wish I could make it out - anyone here that has the capability of isolating JB's whispers over AL's - please do!

 

[logicalgirl]

I would except that she'd be crying , and I mean CRYING, not just dabbing, but full on heartbreaking cries everytime they talked about her beautiful baby dying.
She would look more confused and scared, less angry and arrogant. I saw FURY, not sadness, grief or fear on her face today.

To me it is so obvious her dream team has had her in cotton wool, and she is completely unprepared for just how graphic and tough her trial is going to be. Actually I don't believe either "that Andrea" or JB was expecting the State's (brilliant and awesome) response since they also looked quite shell shocked. IMO

 

[TexasLil]

The only thing I noticed which appeared telling was she first had a very "how dare you" look on her face and to me when she grabbed her wrist when Ashton talked about how Caylee was restrained. Sometimes when we are forced to review an incident we react to it in a physical way. That is what KC appears to be doing. JMO

Here is the "how dare you" look. I can also imagine her thoughts of "oh no I know you didn't just go there" or even "That's not exactly how I did it so if you're going to tell the story get it right"... then he gets to the chemical talk and she breaks down.

 

[laura08]

Based on my observations of todays hearing I think Casey cried because she knows exactly what she did to Caylee and it was the 1st time someone has told her in detail what a cold hearted person she is and realizing she may lose her life. I have always felt she was guilty from day 1. Casey has always thought she could outsmart everyone, so with such detail the state said about how Caylee died today, struck a nerve with her because she probably never figured they would know such specific details, sense she has never spoke the truth and has always lied on what happened to Caylee. And George and Cindy have always spoiled her and let her get by with her non sense. And believed her lies. I don't know how anyone would ever believe she was innocent, her body lanaguge, lies and everything about her points to being guilty, oh and not reporting your precious baby girl missing for a month. She has done everything she can to try to do to save her self packing blame on everyone else. I really would like to know why Casey would even want out of jail, I mean does she seriously think her life would be the same as before? I don't understand what she expects if she were to get out of jail, so many people are angry at her everyone knows she lies and her whole agenda name and all is ruined she is known as a cold hearted murderer. She could never live a normal life. Off my soapbox now, thank you to all of you have kept up with the video links and thoughts for todays hearing, I came home and was able to catch up on it.

 

[Patty G]

I totally see what you are saying. I just think her tears are for herself. We could totally be on the same page.

I agree, Casey's tears are for Casey.

 

[Mendara]

Please note: What are all the tears about? Casey still has not told anyone what happened the morning she and Caylee had breakfast with George and waved goodbye. Where did she go if not to work (because she didn't have a job: fact and there was no nanny to drop caylee off with: fact)

So again why is she sitting in that chair? If she is innocent I am sure the truth of what happened that day would have lead authorities to the real killer or closer to him/her and delayed any false imprisonment of Casey.

I mean if after waving goodbye to George she stepped outside the house and blacked out then awoke without Caylee at least that IS SOMETHING TO GO ON.

SO why is she crying?????

We still don't know anything because of CASEY's silence.

If there is a reasonable explanation of how Caylee went from her arms to being dead in the woods - Casey should have told everyone on June 16th and she still can - so I don't get the tears.

She is in that chair because of her own actions. She is unable to come up with a good enough lie to reconcile how Caylee ended up where she did. The nanny story was a huge FAIL.

 

[Harmony 2]

i believe a totally innocent person would never have made it to this point in the trial process. She would have reported her daughter missing and cooperated with le. She would have confided in her friends and her top priority would have been caylee from minute one. She'd have taken a lie detector and so would her family and they would have passed. She'd have broken out in hives or whatever, everytime a body was found and not just when one was found where ( i believe ) she dumped it. I'd be accepting visitors and would be smart enough to use the sunshine laws to my advantage in every phone call or video visitation. I could go on..
I don't know what to expect from kc after all the dream team coaching but if i were innocent and in casey's shoes after doing all of the above, i'd be psychotic in court, raging with outrage if my childs killer was going free while i negotiated pre-trial details assuming my guilt. I wouldn't even care what i looked like or if i was ejected from the court. But then, i also would have insisted on a speedy trial and wouldn't care about lwop vs the dp if i were wrongly convicted. I'd have no reason to live anyway and would want to die and be with my baby who knew i was innocent.
Jmo- good question hodogs!

awesome post!!!! Potd!!

 

[Bittiness39]

I agree, Casey's tears are for Casey.

Me too. Miss awesomeness. Her anger reactions in court are a lot more frightening. She has a snap reflex to rage...KC that is.

 

[passionflower]

Was LEE there? I haven't seen him in any pix?

 

[Bittiness39]

If all the defense has, after watching their somewhat ineffectual arguements in court, is Kronk did it and KC was a scared naive little girl...wow.

 

[Patty G]

Longer version of Kathi's interview ....

RAW VIDEO: Jose Baez Talks To WFTV After Casey Hearing
http://www.wftv.com/video/21935023/index.html

 

[Searchfortruth]

Was LEE there? I haven't seen him in any pix?

I didn't see him, I haven't seen him in any of the hearings. That is curious in itself.

 

[wenwe4]

The hand to the face is a Protective and Self soothing factor. KC is shaking her head when she begins to cry, what we have to look at is what is going on in her own mind, for instance she could be saying "no that is not how it happened" when Ashton was describing the chemical restraint or she could be saying to herself "I cannot believe I am hearing this". Looking at body language only gives us a piece of the puzzle and since no one is asking KC "what was going through your mind when you were hearing Mr. Ashton" we can only speculate as to what she was thinking. We do know she was protecting herself, self-soothing.

 

[passionflower]

I am seeing KC come in to courtroom, no famous sexy strut anymore!
First thing I noticed!

 

[Hot Dogs]

Yes, my question is hypothetical and is rather specific. It assumes that everything is the same right up until this court appearance. I welcome all responses, but in all honesty, ones like "she wouldn't be there" etc. are ignoring the hypothetical I present.

The question assumes everything is the same... except that the charge of murder one is incorrect. A different charge(s) might be correct, but M1 is incorrect.

Here is the question again.


If KC is being wrongly accused of premeditated murder (and she would know this) what would be her expected reactions and emotions while on camera in this courtroom situation? Would it be entirely different than what we saw?