2010.02.09 New motion filed by defense TES search records

[QB.]

and this....


"NeJame also asked that Strickland assess attorney's fees against Casey Anthony's defense team, "especially since he has been advised of the inaccuracy of his motion and has failed to take any remedial actions."

"He has caused unnecessary attorney time and Court time to be wasted, especially since he has been fully advised of its misrepresentations and inaccuracies and nevertheless continues to proceed," NeJame wrote."

from the Orlando Sentinel article

 

[cyberborg]

I would not at all be surprised if JB tries this motion in court anyway, in the desperate hope that he gets some relief to get access to the TES records ..... even though MN cites a complete lack of, "demonstrating any proper investigation or due diligence prior to its filing."

JB really wants to get the physical records so he can hand them off to Mort the PI so he can investigate and dig into them for a prospective target or willing witness actor.

 

[marspiter]

I would not at all be surprised if JB tries this motion in court anyway, in the desperate hope that he gets some relief to get access to the TES records ..... even though MN cites a complete lack of, "demonstrating any proper investigation or due diligence prior to its filing."

JB really wants to get the physical records so he can hand them off to Mort the PI so he can investigate and dig into them for a prospective target or willing witness actor.

I think it will be absolutely hilarious if the judge hears the motion and then agrees with MN and awards lawyer fees to TES. Then explains to JB that there is already a ruling on the TES info.

 

[sleutherontheside]

I would not at all be surprised if JB tries this motion in court anyway, in the desperate hope that he gets some relief to get access to the TES records ..... even though MN cites a complete lack of, "demonstrating any proper investigation or due diligence prior to its filing."

JB really wants to get the physical records so he can hand them off to Mort the PI so he can investigate and dig into them for a prospective target or willing witness actor.

If Mort is the top notch PI he has been touted to be....he doesn't need those names......to try to investigate....he could start with viewing all the videos of searches, photos of searches, and google the cached discussions about searches......

Then he could use facial recognition software to try to tag the faces and see if there are any social media profiles out there that match......then he could attempt to link names to faces and use the online WHITE PAGES........

If he really wanted this info so badly......he would be able to employ some true investigative skills to do so, but since he is a part of this team I won't hold my breath....

I think the SOP isn't to take initiative and do real legwork as much as it is to whine, cry, complain and ask someone else to do it.

I wonder what the various members of the defense team would list as their favorite colors?????? I'll be happy to donate an industrial steel drum full of pacifiers in their favorite shades. Perhaps that will soothe them....

 

[sleutherontheside]

I know lawyers bill by the hour........but does anyone ever wonder if JB has contracted with his client
to be paid by the word?????? THAT would make more sense than this nonsense.

 

[QB.]

I think it will be absolutely hilarious if the judge hears the motion and then agrees with MN and awards lawyer fees to TES. Then explains to JB that there is already a ruling on the TES info.

BBM
That would be lovely.
Perhaps then we would see an end to this particular issue.

 

[cyberborg]

I think it will be absolutely hilarious if the judge hears the motion and then agrees with MN and awards lawyer fees to TES. Then explains to JB that there is already a ruling on the TES info.

I do think we are rapidly reaching a point where JS needs to set boundaries and enforce them.

While he needs to allow the Defense some latitude and consider future appeals, this is making a mockery that is playing out in the media -- flawed motions have been repeatedly identified by all.

 

[marspiter]

I do think we are rapidly reaching a point where JS needs to set boundaries and enforce them.

While he needs to allow the Defense some latitude and consider future appeals, this is making a mockery that is playing out in the media -- flawed motions have been repeatedly identified by all.

Completely agreed. JS could quickly become the next Ito if these shenanigans are allowed to continue. Which is sad because I think JS is a fair and honest judge that the defense is taking advantage of.

 

[notthatsmart]

BBM

NTS, you're right, you have mentioned that several times. I've always wondered how you know what Baez wants? Him wanting us to think he's stupid isn't in any discovery we've seen nor in any of his interviews or statements. How are you privy to his inside strategy, if you don't mind me asking? Not being snarky, just curious.

That is just speculation on my part. I back that up with him dropping papers and saying silly things and generally acting like an ametuer. Yet he landed the trial of the century. I see it as sandbagging. By that I mean, the gloves are going to come off at trial. He will have experts do the talking. IMO

 

[notthatsmart]

Are you making an inference, in what I have bolded above, that you believe TES considers itself "above justice?" I hope I have misunderstood your phrasing!!!!

I never said that. I said Tes is not above Justice.

 

[marspiter]

That is just speculation on my part. I back that up with him dropping papers and saying silly things and generally acting like an ametuer. Yet he landed the trial of the century. I see it as sandbagging. By that I mean, the gloves are going to come off at trial. He will have experts do the talking. IMO

It wasn't exactly his skill that landed him this case. Complete dumb luck maybe but certainly not skill. Any random criminal lawyer in Orlando could have gotten this case.

As to the experts comment. Ummm what experts? They haven't been seen in some time. That and I would think in order for an expert to give an honest assessment of the evidence it would require them to examine the evidence.

However all of this is OT to the discussion of the motion for TES records.

 

[notthatsmart]

Bolded by me:

The key word here is "pertinent." I know that this has been covered several times, but the defense has already been given the records of those 32 searchers who were near the area where Caylee's body was later recovered. The defense has also been invited to view, although not to copy or release, the records of all of the remaining searchers who were searching under the auspices of TES.

As for the "other" searchers who may have searched those woods on their own, TES would have no better idea who they may be than the defense investigators, and they would therefore have no "pertinent" information about them.

TES and the State have complied with Judge Strickland's rulings regarding the records, so it is very unfair to suggest that TES is acting as though they believe they are above justice. If the records are so important to Baez's (or Macaluso's) strategy of proving that someone placed Caylee's remains while KC was already in jail, he would have reviewed them on the day Nejame made the offer.

IMO, this is a frivolous motion, on an already ruled issue, that is strictly part of Ms. Lyon's aforementioned strategy of overwhelming the court with motion after motion. So you are correct about it being strategy, but I can't agree that there is anything pertinent or substantial to be found here.

Never said that. I said Tes is not above justice.

I am not above Justice.

 

[marspiter]

I never said that. I said Tes is not above Justice.

I don't recall anyone saying TES was above justice or even anyone inferring that. TES has followed the court order. They have given the defense the 32 records they were ordered to hand over and made it availible for the defense to come and review the others as per the order. The reasons the defense hasn't done so are their own and not the fault of TES.

It is the defense that has not followed the order regarding the records TES has and is trying to circumvent that order with this new motion imho.

 

[LambChop]

Never said that. I said Tes is not above justice.

I am not above Justice.

I think your statement may be misleading because by making that statement it appears you think they may think they are. JMO

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

[/B]

Well, I have tried to point this out in the past. The defense wants everyone to think they are stupid and they want everyone to look at other things than Kc. The defense knows that sooner or later they will get all pertinent information out of Tes. Tes is not above justice. Strategy. IMO

Are you making an inference, in what I have bolded above, that you believe TES considers itself "above justice?" I hope I have misunderstood your phrasing!!!!

I never said that. I said Tes is not above Justice.

If you weren't implying that you thought they were acting that way, then why did you say it? No one else had said a word about it. I believe you were trying to make it sound like they were trying to withhold discovery because they thought they were "above justice."

And that is soooo wrong on so many levels!!! What's the deal here, NTS? What are you trying to say?

 

[cyberborg]

That is just speculation on my part. I back that up with him dropping papers and saying silly things and generally acting like an ametuer. Yet he landed the trial of the century. I see it as sandbagging. By that I mean, the gloves are going to come off at trial. He will have experts do the talking. IMO

I'd agree with you if JB was one of many high profile attorneys jostling to try to win the KC case -- however -- he was at the right place at the right time and KC was filing as an indigent.

To me it was more just dumb luck that JB "landed the trial of the century" but he is doing a pretty darn good job of trying to lose it and get disbarred at the same time. Moo.

 

[RR0004]

Think of it as an exercise and an opportunity to express our opinions as the general public. Whether we like it or not this is what defense is up to and bringing up these matters, we are able to sort them out ourselves. If defense does check on certain blogs/websites they can judge how they will do with a potential jury. There is no doubt we have some sharp sleuthers here who bring important information to our attention. People can make a difference by voicing their opinions and getting the correct information out there. All views are welcomed here. The less popular views have a chance to make their point. So far, though, I feel defense is in real trouble and that is just from what I read here. Free speech is priceless, but you better be prepared to put you money where your mouth is. JMO

Awww!!! You're a "glass half full" little Lamb!!

oxoxoxo

 

[RR0004]

When intelligent people are having to resort to discussion on chupacabras, beating dead horses, squirrels, and hamsters then....

Oh, Harmony, after having a run-in with a deer today, this lifted my spirits and elicited a hearty chuckle. You're sooooooo good!!

 

[marspiter]

When intelligent people are having to resort to discussion on chupacabras, beating dead horses, squirrels, and hamsters then....

I'm always up for a good discussion on the chupacabra :floorlaugh:. Yes this is a little ot but I couldn't resist. That and hamsters are so darn cute.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Folks.....this info is based upon a comment from a poster at another forum....we have no proof that this is true, no evidence to support it, and no links. Please be very careful here and do not enter into discussion based upon rumors. WS is different because we require info to be backed up.