2010.02.09 New motion filed by defense TES search records

[cyberborg]

Maybe Baez's strategy is to make us feel sorry for KC because her lawyers aren't doing sh*t to defend her. He must think we're stupid... :waitasec: But wait, he wants us to think he's the stupid one ... Stupid strategy in my opinion.

Stupid is as stupid does and we are seeing plenty of evidence of that .... the court of public opinion is unaminous on that one.

 

[The World According]

Here is part two of Mr. Miller speaking. Goodnight. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-P2NEQz17s[/ame]


The only reason the defense has not deposed Mr. Miller has nothing to do with finances...they know what he has to say will bury Casey.

 

[kew17]

It would not be a smart move to depose Tm without seeing the documents first. Sounds like they can't afford it right now. IMO

Me thinks if the defense can 'afford' to fly several of it's members/pi to video or informal depose RK's past ex-wives and the like or fly it's members to NY for morning show interviews, they can certainly pay for the records they are requesting.

I totally agree with those that have said this is a mere smoke and mirrors. They do it everytime!

Judge JS has already ruled on this. There motion is stupid. News 13 did not take copy of those searchers personal info. They had every right to view it as these were the initial 32 searchers TES pulled to be relevant to that area. It was not info on the other 2000+ people. He (JB) can see the records, he's just got to get off his arse and go to it. He can't get copies, tough. He can't cherry pick someone who may have used Henkel duct tape in 1979 and pull their records and call them a suspect. Which is all he's out to do.

I will be very surprised if Judge JS doesn't nip this bs. If cost is such a concern, maybe the defense should consider wasting less time and money on frivolous stuffs.

GHEEZ! :banghead:

 

[Soju]

It simply amazes me that the defense are not the only ones that are having a difficult time in understanding the judge's ruling on this matter. It has been shown many times on this thread already that this issue has been completely covered by the judge and yet we still have a select few that want to argue the point. Reminds me of the defense and how they can not be bothered to look at the information out there.

bbm


Great post, TorisMom. I think, though, that it's not so much "having a difficult time understanding", but rather "having a difficult time accepting or admitting".....which makes sense if you consider that claiming neutrality while having an agenda isn't the same as being truly neutral in a search for the truth.

JMO

 

[logicalgirl]

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Well, I have tried to point this out in the past. The defense wants everyone to think they are stupid and they want everyone to look at other things than Kc. The defense knows that sooner or later they will get all pertinent information out of Tes. Tes is not above justice. Strategy. IMO

Well Notthatsmart - I thought I was going to bored waiting for the Prosecution to tell us what juicy item they've turned up that will assist them with their case against Casey and for Caylee.

But no, thanks to you, I and a number of other sleuthers, have been out in the barren fields for a day or so playing a game of chasing invisible tumbleweeds. Quite fun actually, but now it's time to tell you that invisible tumbleweeds are just that, invisible and not real, and never will be. How about if we give them up and get on with the real, linkable facts of the case. Because invisible tumbleweeds were amusing, but now they are just plain boring and I'm turning in my hockey stick and wandering off to find some reality.

 

[RR0004]

I am not buying this. Pardon the pun. I see the Judge did indeed order the defense to pay for these expenses. How was the prosecutions expense paid?
I noted that Ldb tried to get the Judge to order the defense to pay for the prosecutions airplane tickets for the deposition of Jk. This is all new to me. I have never heard of such things. Can the Judge actually order Kc to pay for things up front when he knows she has no money? Obviously he can. He just did in that order. So we will execute Kc based on whats in her wallet rather than on the evidence. Well thats easy. We know the State has more money than the defense, so case closed.

What about these very important documents that Tes has that relates to the case? Like JJ's tes forms that he filled out about the crime scene as he states in his sworn document? Hey if the defense can't afford it, then the state needs to pay for it. Kc has a right to a fair trial. Thats my opinion.

I haven't heard yet that Casey was formally declared indigent. I know before Baez came on board she requested it in order to be assigned a public defender...but IIRC Baez also hinted at it again. I don't think JB wants to go that route because it may open up a big 'ole can of worms. There's always been a question of "finances"...and I'd love to get to the bottom of that before I feel sorry for "poor" Casey (not like I could ever muster that!). How come the folks haven't offered Baez any financial help?
Again, there seems to be some deflection here, NTS. The issue is why JB needs this motion at all...IMO. Nowhere does he state he can't view the records because of financial difficulties...so why read THAT into it?

 

[mitzi]

Nine pages ago, I posted this post, and I am bumping it again cuz of the said last nine pages.

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[RR0004]

I don't see this as much as the Defense affording the money to pay .... it is all about wanting to pay and wanting to seek the court's assistance. They don't want to pay and they want help to review the records, like the tips/leads. It is not THAT important. Moo.

What price is KC's life worth to the Defense?, to the A's?, to KC? It isn't the cost. It is all relative. Moo.

Having said that, the Defense has succeeded in their goal.

The goal was to take the focus off the recent SA motion and the new evidence and materials from that investigation -- in that the Defense have succeeded in creating a different noise about TES and the searchers. Moo.

Nope...I still remember...no matter what nonsense is brought.

 

[TorisMom003]

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Well, I have tried to point this out in the past. The defense wants everyone to think they are stupid and they want everyone to look at other things than Kc. The defense knows that sooner or later they will get all pertinent information out of Tes. Tes is not above justice. Strategy. IMO

The defense is doing a fantastic job at making everyone think they are stupid.......now if they would just use the same amount of time and energy for the job at hand this trial would be happening sooner rather than later.

Also, instead of the defense worrying about searchers who may or may not have searched that area and getting ALL of the records for every single searcher, perhaps they should focus on getting their "experts" to examine the evidence against their client. Just a thought though......I'm sure it's really not that important to them.

 

[RR0004]

[/b]

Well, I have tried to point this out in the past. The defense wants everyone to think they are stupid and they want everyone to look at other things than Kc. The defense knows that sooner or later they will get all pertinent information out of Tes. Tes is not above justice. Strategy. IMO

With all that we've seen to date...the defense has been successful...they look extremely foolish...and Casey is still numero uno in the most likely to succeed in getting the DP.

ETA: brilliant strategy!

 

[RR0004]

Nine pages ago, I posted this post, and I am bumping it again cuz of the said last nine pages.

Sorry Mitzi...I see I've repeated a lot of what other folks stated in response to certain posts. Like minds and all that. I'm gonna have to start reading backwards! It seems, though, that no matter how many times something gets said, it really doesn't matter.
oxoxox

 

[Rlaub44]

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Well, I have tried to point this out in the past. The defense wants everyone to think they are stupid and they want everyone to look at other things than Kc. The defense knows that sooner or later they will get all pertinent information out of Tes. Tes is not above justice. Strategy. IMO

Bolded by me:

The key word here is "pertinent." I know that this has been covered several times, but the defense has already been given the records of those 32 searchers who were near the area where Caylee's body was later recovered. The defense has also been invited to view, although not to copy or release, the records of all of the remaining searchers who were searching under the auspices of TES.

As for the "other" searchers who may have searched those woods on their own, TES would have no better idea who they may be than the defense investigators, and they would therefore have no "pertinent" information about them.

TES and the State have complied with Judge Strickland's rulings regarding the records, so it is very unfair to suggest that TES is acting as though they believe they are above justice. If the records are so important to Baez's (or Macaluso's) strategy of proving that someone placed Caylee's remains while KC was already in jail, he would have reviewed them on the day Nejame made the offer.

IMO, this is a frivolous motion, on an already ruled issue, that is strictly part of Ms. Lyon's aforementioned strategy of overwhelming the court with motion after motion. So you are correct about it being strategy, but I can't agree that there is anything pertinent or substantial to be found here.

 

[seekingjustice**]

[/B]

Well, I have tried to point this out in the past. The defense wants everyone to think they are stupid and they want everyone to look at other things than Kc. The defense knows that sooner or later they will get all pertinent information out of Tes. Tes is not above justice. Strategy. IMO

NTS why do the defense want to play mind games. I struggle to understand your reasoning. Why the mind games from them if they believe their client really is innocent of this heinious crime. Why don't they just spill the beans and say who they think is responsible so that LE can investigate and let KC go free? IMO they are they still trying to find someone to fill that 'perpetrator' role and that's where TES comes into it? If that is the case, then all I can say is 'Shame on them'.

 

[Spangle]

I am not buying this. Pardon the pun. I see the Judge did indeed order the defense to pay for these expenses. How was the prosecutions expense paid?
I noted that Ldb tried to get the Judge to order the defense to pay for the prosecutions airplane tickets for the deposition of Jk. This is all new to me. I have never heard of such things. Can the Judge actually order Kc to pay for things up front when he knows she has no money? Obviously he can. He just did in that order. So we will execute Kc based on whats in her wallet rather than on the evidence. Well thats easy. We know the State has more money than the defense, so case closed.

What about these very important documents that Tes has that relates to the case? Like JJ's tes forms that he filled out about the crime scene as he states in his sworn document? Hey if the defense can't afford it, then the state needs to pay for it. Kc has a right to a fair trial. Thats my opinion.

When a judge ask someone to turn over records, or copy's of records, etc.. that creates WORK for someone. And someone has to pay for it.

If TES can't afford it, should the state pay for it. How about their Atty fees?

Reality check, the state can't pay for everything. If they did, then there are those that would run up a huge bill, just because they could.

 

[Spangle]

It wouldn't cost anything just to view them correct?

Wrong.

They are most likely stored. So someone would have to put them in a room where they could be viewed. That person would like to get paid.

The Babysitter who will be watching them, to make sure they don't take notes, photo's, etc.. Would like to get paid.

The person who has to clean up the room, put the files back in boxes, etc... would like to get paid.

The person putting the boxes back in storage would like to get paid.

 

[Spangle]

Correct....BUT they cannot copy them, take notes from them, or anything of the sort.

The only thing they can do is if Baez feels that there are records of searchers that are of strong relevance to the case, they (Baez/MN) are to notify JS for consideration and if JS feels that particular searcher SHOULD have been included in the original 35, then Baez would get a copy of THAT record.....

But I don't think Baez wants to "see them"....me thinks Baez wants COPIES of all 4000+ searchers so he can turn them over to AL's investigator to see if they can possibly come up with someone else to throw under the bus as possible suspect....strictly for the sole purpose of deflecting attention away from SA, doc dumps, prosecution motions, etc....

Think RK....sure took the media and public's attention away from evidence against KC temporarily...

THink about the poor searcher who may have been previously married to a "Mrs Gonzales" who once babysat a 2 year old back in 2004, and who won the local "Decorate Your XMas Tree with Duct Tape" contest in 2007!

That is what I am thinking. Also, doesn't he teach a class too?

If he could pass these files out to his students, it wouldn't cost him anything to get folks to 'review' them. His students here. Her students in IL. All that personal info floating around.

 

[seekingjustice**]

I am not buying this. Pardon the pun. I see the Judge did indeed order the defense to pay for these expenses. How was the prosecutions expense paid?
I noted that Ldb tried to get the Judge to order the defense to pay for the prosecutions airplane tickets for the deposition of Jk. This is all new to me. I have never heard of such things. Can the Judge actually order Kc to pay for things up front when he knows she has no money? Obviously he can. He just did in that order. So we will execute Kc based on whats in her wallet rather than on the evidence. Well thats easy. We know the State has more money than the defense, so case closed.

What about these very important documents that Tes has that relates to the case? Like JJ's tes forms that he filled out about the crime scene as he states in his sworn document? Hey if the defense can't afford it, then the state needs to pay for it. Kc has a right to a fair trial. Thats my opinion.

BBM- So are you saying that the State should pay to 'Defend and also pay to Prosecute' KC?

 

[Spangle]

I believe that is for the copying of records of the 32 Judge Strickland approved....

I don't think so. IIRC, TES lawyer was very upfront about the cost involved in allowing folks to 'view' the records. Which lead to the discussion that they wanted the money upfront before the viewing, to ensure payment.

 

[Soju]

I don't think so. IIRC, TES lawyer was very upfront about the cost involved in allowing folks to 'view' the records. Which lead to the discussion that they wanted the money upfront before the viewing, to ensure payment.

bbm



and that's a very smart and reasonable approach, given JB's history of nonpayment.

 

[mitzi]

Sorry Mitzi...I see I've repeated a lot of what other folks stated in response to certain posts. Like minds and all that. I'm gonna have to start reading backwards! It seems, though, that no matter how many times something gets said, it really doesn't matter.
oxoxox

RR0004, it's not you at all! :blowkiss: It's just that no matter how many times nor how many ways the truth is stated, some just don't seem to "get it.".....and I hate how that gets us all off course. It's like diversion tactics.