2010.04.13 Theories thread as a result of the search

[pip]

In light of this new information, there is only one theory that I can think of that makes everything fall into place, and it's the saddest thing I can imagine. It will be hard for normal people to comprehend. This had nothing to do at all with drugs, other than peripherally. The motivation behind this case was pure revenge by a sadistic person.

This poor beautiful young child did not deserve this and neither did her family, including her father. It explains almost all Ron's actions, including marrying Misty. It explains Misty's actions and Tommy's actions. It's clear why Misty and Tommy were scared and didn't tell anyone, including their spouses, families, or LE, what happened. The reason for the kidnapping staging at the MH now makes complete sense. Ron's lack of searching makes sense. Ratgate makes sense. God bless this poor man.

The case will depend on the forensics and evidence found in the river. It will also be critical for LE to interview extensively the family and acquaintences of the person who committed this crime. Now that the door has been opened, I think that LE, with the assistance of the FBI, will resolve the case fairly quickly. One other comment - Pat Brown needs to consider changing her target if she wants to sell her book.

I can't bring myself to be more detailed, but hope that the above makes sense! All this is IMO.

If this is still just a theory at this stage, why not share?
It's a cliffhanger...

 

[cj1132]

Something just dawned on me. There was recent talk that Misty didn't want to babysit the kids and TN offered to pay her. What if Misty said no and someone else watched them?

 

[dodie20]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=154929&catid=3

Months ago, Cummings' mother said he may have done those crimes to get close to Misty after the divorce, in order to learn what happened to Haleigh.

This weekend, Cummings' attorney shed new light on the relationship.

"The police always said, 'If you divorce Misty, we'll find something out. She'll crack.' They've told him, 'If Misty got in trouble, in jail, we could probably get her to crack,'" Shoemaker said.

don't know where to put this but it seems Shoemaker is suggesting that, per TN, Ron may have purposefully gotten into trouble to get Misty into the jail. So as per a theory, the Cummings felt Misty had to get into jail to crack? IDK

If it doesn't belong here mods, please let me know where to put it...

Well, that's just spin. Misty didn't need Ron's heip, getting into trouble. That girl was doing just fine on her own. & does Teresa not realize what she's implying???? that RON was the mastermind! that RON set Misty up. If Teresa keeps talking, Misty may not have to spend a day in prison. I'm confused as he!!, but 3 things I AM sure of, is Ron didn't marry Misty to keep his enemy close, he didn't divorce her to get her to crack, & he didn't traffick drugs with her to get the truth on Haleigh.

 

[Pondering Mind]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=154929&catid=3

Months ago, Cummings' mother said he may have done those crimes to get close to Misty after the divorce, in order to learn what happened to Haleigh.

This weekend, Cummings' attorney shed new light on the relationship.

"The police always said, 'If you divorce Misty, we'll find something out. She'll crack.' They've told him, 'If Misty got in trouble, in jail, we could probably get her to crack,'" Shoemaker said.

don't know where to put this but it seems Shoemaker is suggesting that, per TN, Ron may have purposefully gotten into trouble to get Misty into the jail. So as per a theory, the Cummings felt Misty had to get into jail to crack? IDK

If it doesn't belong here mods, please let me know where to put it...

bbm~

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I'm sorry, I just can't help it! I suppose desperate times call for desperate measures..I guess the partaking of the pills he was buying and selling was just to keep up the front too, huh?

 

[pip]

Well, that's just spin. Misty didn't need Ron's heip, getting into trouble. That girl was doing just fine on her own. & does Teresa not realize what she's implying???? that RON was the mastermind! that RON set Misty up. If Teresa keeps talking, Misty may not have to spend a day in prison. I'm confused as he!!, but 3 things I AM sure of, is Ron didn't marry Misty to keep his enemy close, he didn't divorce her to get her to crack, & he didn't traffick drugs with her to get the truth on Haleigh.

And he didn't lie about Ratgate to test Misty's lying skills either.

 

[pip]

If Shoey's giving weekend interviews to start his clients defense..news must be right around the corner.

 

[dodie20]

Out of all of the people that we've 'come to know', Tommy is the one that makes me the maddest. When he put himself @ that trailer, I knew he was up to his eyeballs in trouble. When he said from jail that Misty thought she was helping him, but she wasn't & she needed to keep his name out of her mouth, I KNEW he was involved & that Misty was in the dark. He was grasping for straws & was coming unhinged & was desperate to hang onto his life with Linsey. What did Tommy do? Did he go back to that trailer to rape & murder her?

 

[epiphany]

Right! Originally the call was redacted from everything I can tell...but only in regards to names (including Misty's, HaLeigh's).. their address..any personal info. It doesn't appear that anything else was edited out at any point. That's just my take on it..fwiw..

Thanks. Then, irresponsible of FirstCoastNews to suggest the possibility that such info (Ron bringing up JO on 911 call) could be redacted. If attorney made an "error" and don't wish to point that out, simply leave it at - we could not find that in our review of 911 tape.

 

[epiphany]

Out of all of the people that we've 'come to know', Tommy is the one that makes me the maddest. When he put himself @ that trailer, I knew he was up to his eyeballs in trouble. When he said from jail that Misty thought she was helping him, but she wasn't & she needed to keep his name out of her mouth, I KNEW he was involved & that Misty was in the dark. He was grasping for straws & was coming unhinged & was desperate to hang onto his life with Linsey. What did Tommy do? Did he go back to that trailer to rape & murder her?

And in my disgusting theory, Misty is going to be held somewhat accountable, cause I don't think she was completely in the dark as to what transpired that night. Think he murdered her at the river - in the same manner told to their Gram in 2 out of the 3 stories. MOO

 

[Emma Peel]

I am not accusing Ron-just to state this another way, do we know if the 911 call was redacted? Odd, considering the Sunshine Laws...it should be in a transcript anyway, right?

IIRC, the Scantastics (Haleigh's Scanner thread) always felt, based on careful analysis & timing, that the 911 call was redacted.

 

[Emma Peel]

Tommy has no bond.
The only player with NO bond.

Why?

 

[Pensfan]

I wonder if they pulled Haleigh's nebulizer out of the river.(?) Was the nebulizer ever "officially" missing from the trailer? The only reason for stealing/disposing of the nebulizer was that it was the murder weapon. (Someone was using it to inhale oxys to get an incredibly quick high and forgot to clean it and somehow Haleigh inhaled the nebulized oxycontin.)

40mg-80 mg of ingested (oral) oxcontin would cause respiratory depression and death in a 5 year old.

Only 40 mg inhaled oxycontin could have easily killed Haleigh.

 

[jessigirl]

ITA with you. From what we know about Ron, he was reportedly armed and threatening to shoot CJones in the road rage incident. I think Ron most likely kept the gun with him and not in the MH unless he was there. If Ron did hide the gun in the culvert, then maybe it did happen on Ron's way either to work on that Monday evening or on his way home. Maybe Ron wanted LE to not find it after the 911 call.:waitasec:

Ron did not hide it in the culvert. As I said earlier because of excerpts being taken out of context it DID make it sound as tho Ron told Misty where to go get the gun out of the culvert, but if you look at the full text or audio of the complete situation of the culvert and the gun you will hear that the culvert that it was found in was not even on Ron's property it was at Tommy's house. Misty had gone there to look&see if she could find the stolen gun at Tommy's,once there and looking around, she called Ron from her cell phone and was talking to him as she continued to search.She had felt she had looked almost everywhere when she lastly saw and then described to Ron that there was a board or something kinda covering a culvert and he said for her to look in there and it was there at Tommys she found the gun. The link to one of the video/audio is already in one of my posts here in this thread.

Also, this whole situation with the culvert and the gun was prior to Haleigh missing, as in days if not weeks. It occured when JO first arrived in Satsuma for his visit. And if I'm not mistaken this is the gun that they(as in Tommy&Joe)came to the MH to find&steal again(whichever gun they came to steal that night was known to be Ron's "prized posession") the night Haleigh went missing.

 

[pip]

Ron did not hide it in the culvert. As I said earlier because of excerpts being taken out of context it DID make it sound as tho Ron told Misty where to go get the gun out of the culvert, but if you look at the full text or audio of the complete situation of the culvert and the gun you will hear that the culvert that it was found in was not even on Ron's property it was at Tommy's house. Misty had gone there to look&see if she could find the stolen gun at Tommy's,once there and looking around, she called Ron from her cell phone and was talking to him as she continued to search.She had felt she had looked almost everywhere when she lastly saw and then described to Ron that there was a board or something kinda covering a culvert and he said for her to look in there and it was there at Tommys she found the gun. The link to one of the video/audio is already in one of my posts here in this thread.

Correct. But in an interview Cobra did with Ron, Ron claims HE is the one that went and got it from the culvert. Concerned Papa posted it in another thread today. Looks like stories are conflicting.

 

[lonetraveler]

Ron did not hide it in the culvert. As I said earlier because of excerpts being taken out of context it DID make it sound as tho Ron told Misty where to go get the gun out of the culvert, but if you look at the full text or audio of the complete situation of the culvert and the gun you will hear that the culvert that it was found in was not even on Ron's property it was at Tommy's house. Misty had gone there to look&see if she could find the stolen gun at Tommy's,once there and looking around, she called Ron from her cell phone and was talking to him as she continued to search.She had felt she had looked almost everywhere when she lastly saw and then described to Ron that there was a board or something kinda covering a culvert and he said for her to look in there and it was there at Tommys she found the gun. The link to one of the video/audio is already in one of my posts here in this thread.

I know that the gun was not found on Ron's property. There are more than one story about who found the gun at this point. In Misty's LVA, she recites the story of being at Tommy's house and Ron directing her on the search for the gun and ta da, he tells her to look in the culvert and there it was! There is also the recorded conversations between Ron and Cobra where Ron states that he is the one who got the gun out of the culvert. Misty failed the LVA. So, IMO, the truth is still lurking somewhere about the gun. Teresa's story matched Misty's. In my post, I'm suggesting that Ron may have hid the gun himself so that LE would not find it following the 911 call. Of course the actual date that the blame gun was actually discovered or recovered from the culvert has not been confirmed either. The gun was stated as stolen by Joe and discovered by Misty per Ron's instruction, or not stolen and Ron put it there and retrieved it. And there are stories that this happened as much as two weeks prior to Haleigh missing or the gun was stolen the night that Haleigh was missing. Take your pick.

 

[lonetraveler]

If Shoey's giving weekend interviews to start his clients defense..news must be right around the corner.

Yep, I was surprised that he was working over the weekend. I figured that he would be on the golf course.

 

[jessigirl]

Correct. But in an interview Cobra did with Ron, Ron claims HE is the one that went and got it from the culvert. Concerned Papa posted it in another thread today. Looks like stories are conflicting.

Yes you're right that is conflicting,as in who actually retrieved it,Ron?or did Ron send Misty to retrieve it? But If Im not mistaken the rest is correct,as in the gun was NOT on RCs property,instead found hidden in the culvert on Tommy's property. And that was the only thing I was trying to clear up, that Ron didnt hide his gun in a culvert on his property, then told Misty to go get it from that culvert. That was the part that many were "going" with and then questioning why Ron would hide his own gun , on his property,that it was endangering his kids&trying to possibly conceal it from LE after making the 911 call. And I was just trying to clear up that wasnt the case, therefor no reason to specualte Why? Ron did this, when he infact DID NOT.
(I hope thats atleast somewhat understandable, I feel as tho Im going in circles, so am not going to try to keep explaining the same point. Sorry for those who have to keep reading me repeat myself on this matter)

 

[pip]

Yes you're right that is conflicting,as in who actually retrieved it,Ron?or did Ron send Misty to retrieve it? But If Im not mistaken the rest is correct,as in the gun was NOT on RCs property,instead found hidden in the culvert on Tommy's property. And that was the only thing I was trying to clear up, that Ron didnt hide his gun in a culvert on his property, then told Misty to go get it from that culvert. That was the part that many were "going" with and then questioning why Ron would hide his own gun , on his property,that it was endangering his kids&trying to possibly conceal it from LE after making the 911 call. And I was just trying to clear up that wasnt the case, therefor no reason to specualte Why? Ron did this, when he infact DID NOT.
(I hope thats atleast somewhat understandable, I feel as tho Im going in circles, so am not going to try to keep explaining the same point. Sorry for those who have to keep reading me repeat myself on this matter)

It wasn't on Ron's property, right. But the sketchy part is HOW it ended up at Tommy's culvert. It sorta adds up that Ronald himself planted it there. It looks suspicious that he dumped the gun there and is trying to implicate Joe into the matter.

 

[doobiedoo52]

If people agree that names were redacted out of the 911 tape, then why wouldn't Joe's be too? Especially if RC actually made an accusation. That would definitely be redacted to prevent a libel suit.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Thanks. Then, irresponsible of FirstCoastNews to suggest the possibility that such info (Ron bringing up JO on 911 call) could be redacted. If attorney made an "error" and don't wish to point that out, simply leave it at - we could not find that in our review of 911 tape.

I agree...I honestly believe that Ron's attorney is not doing him any favors at the moment with some of the things he has said. He might have been better of saying nothing..