2010.04.26 Issues with JVM Levi_Page to be a guest

[raisincharlie]

BBM - I do agree with the bolded part Charlie. IMO when she first phoned LE to report what she was told on those calls, she was quite possibly truthfully stating what she was told by Misty and Tommy. It's everything she's said since her initial reporting that I have a difficult time believing. Maybe that's 'cos I'm not sure exactly what she's claiming half the time. She has so many different scenarios, or else I'm just not comprehending. Admittedly, it wouldn't be the first time I've been unable to comprehend, especially with regard to this case.

IMO, if LE found her to be credible they would return her phone calls.

I don't find it difficult to believe for a single minute that:

a). - her grand children have told her different stories everytime they opened their mouths.

b.) - that her grandchildren have all pointed at someone other than themselves as being involved.

c.) - that even Lisa Croslin or GGMa Sykes have told her things

And finally - there are lots of opinions on this forum - is GMa Hollars not allowed to have her own based on what she has been told by her grandchildren?

I quess I don't get why people are calling her basically a liar when she is trying to tell what her grandkids tell her, and we all know it is unlikely they are telling her the truth but that doesn't mean she isn't telling what they did in fact tell her. What a circle that is.

 

[Muffet]

I get the impression that GMH has been given a lot of stories she's trying to suss out just like the rest of us, but without notes and links to help her keep track of them, and with an emotional component we don't have to struggle with, pulling her in different directions. :sheesh:

I'm not saying I think she should have come out and said all she did, but I haven't seen anything to make me think she was intentionally lying about anything so far.

 

[trigger]

I was taken back that JVM had in big letters GRANDMA FLO DON'T KNOW? Then she says maybe GM Flo dont know a whole heck of alot.....Anyway Levi said he was a little critical with GMF at first but why would she lie just to get on TV. She could have done this in the very beginning.LP said so why I think I was critical in the beginning I think I was a little harsh on her, I think that her story was corroborating, they did search the river...He says I think she has alot more info cause M was with her for 10 days right after she divorced Ronald. LP said he would find it interesting to ask her what M said during those 10 days and hopes she feeling better and I hope she talks more about this.

Way to go Levy :woohoo:

 

[southernvagirl]

Until proven dfferent,,,I believe grandma Flo did it for the reward....period.....Now that she is feeling the rath from relatives and those in the media talking about her taking a poly,,,now she has hid in her bedroom.....We know the moral compass of her daughter, son-in-law,,,grandchildren,,,why would anyone think she is a vat of truth??????? The way she talked about poor little Haleigh might have been "knocked in ther head and put in the river alive" does anyone here really believe she cares about justice and the broken hearts of Haleigh's family....I sure don't....just saying,,,,this of course is MOO.....

 

[txsvicki]

It really is absurd, beyone absurd, for these media folks to be stating that Flo should be polygraphed. They're all going polygraph crazy. LE can't go around polygraphing everyone with a test that is proven to not even be reliable and is probably now used more as a psychological tool than anything.

 

[trigger]

I don't find it difficult to believe for a single minute that:

a). - her grand children have told her different stories everytime they opened their mouths.

b.) - that her grandchildren have all pointed at someone other than themselves as being involved.

c.) - that even Lisa Croslin or GGMa Sykes have told her things

And finally - there are lots of opinions on this forum - is GMa Hollars not allowed to have her own based on what she has been told by her grandchildren?

I quess I don't get why people are calling her basically a liar when she is trying to tell what her grandkids tell her, and we all know it is unlikely they are telling her the truth but that doesn't mean she isn't telling what they did in fact tell her. What a circle that is.

BBM

I agree. And for Tommy and Misty calling her 15 minutes apart got my hinky up...-There setting up reasonable doubt maybe??

 

[chesterp]

I agree. I have watched probably everything that Grandma Hollar has said and she was either paraphasing what she had been told by her loving grandchildren or giving her opinion on what she was thinking about what happened to Haleigh. I do believe that she has garnered information from the many theories offered on web sites and bloggers as well.

and she kept shifting her eyes like she was looking at someone. I wonder if she was waiting for a "thumbs up" next story please...

 

[lorann]

As blunt and outspoken as she has been on national tv, I can only imagine the coversations when Misty was there - and Lisa spent time there, in fact arrested there - Plenty of time to ask and get answers before she rec'd the phone calls. Maybe by LE not calling her back, they assumed she'd let it go. With GGMS knowing LE, I wonder if she called them to see if they'd tell her anything after she heard?

 

[snowshuze]

I don't find it difficult to believe for a single minute that:

a). - her grand children have told her different stories everytime they opened their mouths.

b.) - that her grandchildren have all pointed at someone other than themselves as being involved.

c.) - that even Lisa Croslin or GGMa Sykes have told her things

And finally - there are lots of opinions on this forum - is GMa Hollars not allowed to have her own based on what she has been told by her grandchildren?

I quess I don't get why people are calling her basically a liar when she is trying to tell what her grandkids tell her, and we all know it is unlikely they are telling her the truth but that doesn't mean she isn't telling what they did in fact tell her. What a circle that is.

Bless your big heart.
I guess I'm jaded.
I guess I'm dizzy from riding the same merry-go-round for 14 months.
I don't doubt for a minute Granny Flo has repeated what she's been told. It's the embellishment I find disturbing. And it's REALLY REALLY hard not to worry about family traits.

 

[Emma Peel]

<respectfully snipped>
I quess I don't get why people are calling her basically a liar when she is trying to tell what her grandkids tell her, and we all know it is unlikely they are telling her the truth but that doesn't mean she isn't telling what they did in fact tell her. What a circle that is.

Okay, so...if she's just repeating the lies they tell her, that does not make her a liar...
Just a ...story-teller? Tale-spinner?
:hypno:

 

[Emma Peel]

And it's REALLY REALLY hard not to worry about family traits. <respectfully snipped>(

:yes: apple, apple, apple, tree.

I do feel badly if I gave her a headache though.
But, in fairness, she gave me one. :crazy:

 

[Daisy47]

I don't find it difficult to believe for a single minute that:

a). - her grand children have told her different stories everytime they opened their mouths.

b.) - that her grandchildren have all pointed at someone other than themselves as being involved.

c.) - that even Lisa Croslin or GGMa Sykes have told her things

Nor do I. In fact, I fully believe A, B and C.

And finally - there are lots of opinions on this forum - is GMa Hollars not allowed to have her own based on what she has been told by her grandchildren? Yes she is, but please note that not everything she says is based on what she has been told by her grandchildren, i.e.: her statement that if Misty was molested by JO, she (Misty) must've liked it.

I quess I don't get why people are calling her basically a liar when she is trying to tell what her grandkids tell her, and we all know it is unlikely they are telling her the truth but that doesn't mean she isn't telling what they did in fact tell her. What a circle that is.
When exactly was Flo told all these conflicting stories? It's my understanding she hasn't been able to talk with MC or TC since she reported the calls she received 15 minutes apart to authorities, so just when did her grandchildren tell her all of these other stories? Why didn't she contact LE when she was given the other scenarios?

I don't know if GmaFlo is a "liar" or not, but based on her comments, she's certainly not a very compassionate person IMO, and I don't believe for a minute that she truly has HaLeigh's best interest at heart. That's JMHO.

My responses in green.

 

[bessie]

Okay, so...if she's just repeating the lies they tell her, that does not make her a liar...
Just a ...story-teller? Tale-spinner?
:hypno:

If she understands "the lies" to be the truth, then no, it does not. Personally, I did not perceive any intent on Hollars' part to be deceptive. I did sense doubt and confusion, especially the first night she appeared on Nancy Grace. Otherwise, the interviews were heavy with statements similar to: "That's what I was told" and "That's what Misty said".

 

[raisincharlie]

Okay, so...if she's just repeating the lies they tell her, that does not make her a liar...
Just a ...story-teller? Tale-spinner?
:hypno:

I quess the best thing is for everyone related to shut up so nothing comes out so we can sit here and wait on LE to say something.

 

[krowdkat]

I quess the best thing is for everyone related to shut up so nothing comes out so we can sit here and wait on LE to say something.

My very best guess is YES, the attorneys are all shaking their heads and screaming SHUT UP ALREADY. LOL

I also think the LE enjoys the players and those related to them going to the media.

 

[twall]

BBM--you have a very valid point, Charlie. How did she lead them to Shell Harbor?

I'm thinking GMA Flo got the general location from Chelsea then passed it on to GMA Sykes. Chelsea did call LP wanting him to fund a search for the area. (OMG-flashback of Jay Blanchard Park Caylee case) Did GMA Flo talk to LP?

CHELSEA CROSLIN: I have met Flo Hollars maybe two times. She is not involved in our family. So I don`t know why she would want to hurt and implicate three of her grandchildren. It`s just very sad that she would do that.

GRACE: Ms. Hollars, what`s your response to that?

HOLLARS: My response to that is why did she tell me the road to tell them to go at?

GRACE: Repeat?

CHELSEA CROSLIN: Well, Nanny, you -- Nanny, you were the one that said, Where do you want searched? And I said I wanted 309, not specifically a dock -- I said 309 because I got a letter from Misty stating that Joe might have had -- or Joe was the involving party. So from there, I called the detective, Kay Sangelica (ph), the head detective on the case. I told them about it.

HOLLARS: And so did I. And so did I.

CHELSEA CROSLIN: He did not follow up with it. So then from there, I asked Leonard Padilla. Leonard Padilla, will you help me fund a search? Because I don`t have money myself, and my goal in life is to find Haleigh. That`s all that matters to us.

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Wait, wait, wait, wait! Back to Chelsea Croslin. What did you tell police where they should search?

CHELSEA CROSLIN: I told them that Joe, when he was staying in Satsuma with us -- I lived in Crescent City, a little bit farther, but it`s all in the same area. He stayed at Tommy`s house for a few days until him and Ronald had had that falling out regarding the gun that he had stolen that was recovered. From there, he went and stayed at Lisa and Hank`s house. There was a car accident and Hank was airlifted off to Gainesville. I`m talking about Hank, senior.


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