2010.06.26 9-1-1 call from Horman's home

[PickieChickie]

MOO...Kaine decided to leave and take K with him. TH freaked out, called 911 and at some point made a verbal threat to Kaine regarding using a firearm in some way if he were to remove K.

Regarding the domestic violence laws in Oregon...I have quite a bit of first hand experience with that, but it was from 10 years ago so things may have changed. They don't have to make an arrest unless someone has been assaulted and wants the other person arrested. If a child is witness to physical violence then an arrest will be made. They strongly advocate for one party to leave the residence for 24 hours so that everyone can cool down and I have heard of instances where they make an arrest just to separate the fighting couple. This is just from my experience, and things certainly could have changed. I am now lucky enough to live a life where I am ignorant to these things, thanks to my wonderful husband of 9 years

Any person petitioning the court for a domestic violence restraining or protective order has the right to check the box on the application to request the respondent be required to turn in all their firearms and be restricted from purchasing or possessing a firearm during the duration of the protective order.

The firearm prohibition order was made simply because the box was checked, because it was there and could be checked, not necessarily because of a threat to use a firearm.

In fact, had Terrie threatened Kaine with a firearm on Saturday when the 911 call was placed, as in "I'm going to get a gun and shoot you!", she could have been arrested and charged with making a terrorist threat - a threat which makes the victim fear for their life. Had Terrie pointed a gun at Kaine, she could have been arrested for brandishing a firearm.

So, I don't think we should assume the firearm restriction order is anything more than a precautionary move by Doug, his attorney and the judge.

 

[DidionFan]

Any person petitioning the court for a domestic violence restraining or protective order has the right to check the box on the application to request the respondent be required to turn in all their firearms and be restricted from purchasing or possessing a firearm during the duration of the protective order.

The firearm prohibition order was made simply because the box was checked, because it was there and could be checked, not necessarily because of a threat to use a firearm.

In fact, had Terrie threatened Kaine with a firearm on Saturday when the 911 call was placed, as in "I'm going to get a gun and shoot you!", she could have been arrested and charged with making a terrorist threat - a threat which makes the victim fear for their life. Had Terrie pointed a gun at Kaine, she could have been arrested for brandishing a firearm.

So, I don't think we should assume the firearm restriction order is anything more than a precautionary move by Doug, his attorney and the judge.

This is a pretty important thing to keep in mind when speculating - in all fairness - no matter where we stand on what's going on here. Plus, not that this guy is the be all to end all to assure our questions, but local news said it was normal legal language in any RO. Unfortunately, I see my source article was updated since I last read it: (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_stepmother.html).

So now I can only attest what I read myself, while massively googling - therefore it is now rumor - that the legal expert said that restrictions on guns is applies to all RO's in Oregon....

I will try to find another source, but until then, can any other locals help to find out if this is beyond standard RO stipulations?

 

[redkatrampant]

This is a pretty important thing to keep in mind when speculating - in all fairness - no matter where we stand on what's going on here. Plus, not that this guy is the be all to end all to assure our questions, but local news said it was normal legal language in any RO. Unfortunately, I see my source article was updated since I last read it: (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_stepmother.html).

So now I can only attest what I read myself, while massively googling - therefore it is now rumor - that the legal expert said that restrictions on guns is applies to all OR's in Oregon....

I will try to find another source, but until then, we can all carry on that this is freaky and telling? And can any other locals help to find out it this is beyond standard RO stipulations?

I will look for it, and I could be wrong, but I believe a local DID comment that it could be beyond standard. I know that doesn't help much but I am going to look. Kimster may be able to comment on this too.

 

[Adrienne37]

JMO, but the 911 call on Saturday was the precipitating event that caused Kaine to leave home with the baby. However, it would make far more sense to make Terri leave the home since the baby would obviously be, without a doubt, far more comfortable in her own home and would be a far less disrupting factor in trying to maintain a semblance of stability as far as she is concerned. Personally, myself, I believe what we are seeing here is just the tip of the iceberg where this family is concerned and while all of this is going on, Kyron is still missing. If Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, it's time that she fess up now. Kyron needs to be brought home one way or the other.

 

[Aedrys]

I have no idea what actually happened, but if some sort of confrontation happened and the police were called, it would be normal to tell someone to leave for a day or so, for a cool down period. This could be the source of the media reports, allegedly from KH friends, that LE told him to take his daughter and leave. Maybe she expected that he'd be coming back after that? She had to know there was trouble, and maybe isn't totally in touch with the gravity of this situation.

ITA. I bet she did call and figured that he would be back the next day or so. She figured she was in the right, and probably felt like she had nothing to worry about. Maybe because of the way the police handled it, she really did think they were on her side and not Kaine's, especially if she's egotistical or narcisstic. People like that don't believe in reality - they believe only in their version of reality, which is why she reacted in such a deer in headlights way. I think she was totally caught unaware because she couldn't believe that LE, Kaine, and Desiree weren't really on her side. Kind of reminds me of Casey Anthony, in that she couldn't fathom why the police didn't just believe her and release her even though the lies were so obvious and unbelievable. I don't think TH fully compehends how her words and actions, and words of her friends and her own father make her look so suspicious in Kyron's disappearance.

I also agree with another poster about Kyron's glasses. If they were found in her truck, that is damning to me and I hardly know Kyron. I doubt he hardly ever took them off, and knowing there's a photograph from that morning with him wearing his glasses, if they were found to be in TH's possession, yep, that is divorce causing, restraining order material right there, especially if he only owned one pair.

 

[PickieChickie]

This is a pretty important thing to keep in mind when speculating - in all fairness - no matter where we stand on what's going on here. Plus, not that this guy is the be all to end all to assure our questions, but local news said it was normal legal language in any RO. Unfortunately, I see my source article was updated since I last read it: (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_stepmother.html).

So now I can only attest what I read myself, while massively googling - therefore it is now rumor - that the legal expert said that restrictions on guns is applies to all OR's in Oregon....

I will try to find another source, but until then, we can all carry on that this is freaky and telling? And can any other locals help to find out it this is beyond standard RO stipulations?

Here is a pdf file containing instructions and forms for an Oregon FAMILY ABUSE PREVENTION ACT (FAPA) RESTRAINING ORDER.
Simply type the word "firearm" into the search at the top of the document to locate all places where they are referred to:
http://www.oregon.gov/OJD/docs/OSCA...te/Packet1/FAPAOBTAINPACKETMAR2010-1.pdf?ga=t​

 

[ClueMeIn]

It is standard. It is on every form that I have ever seen.

So now I can only attest what I read myself, while massively googling - therefore it is now rumor - that the legal expert said that restrictions on guns is applies to all OR's in Oregon....

Maybe after the morning presser KH decided to go get the baby and leave. TH freaked out, and called 911. KH leaves and files for divorce.

 

[raeann]

Any person petitioning the court for a domestic violence restraining or protective order has the right to check the box on the application to request the respondent be required to turn in all their firearms and be restricted from purchasing or possessing a firearm during the duration of the protective order.

The firearm prohibition order was made simply because the box was checked, because it was there and could be checked, not necessarily because of a threat to use a firearm.

In fact, had Terrie threatened Kaine with a firearm on Saturday when the 911 call was placed, as in "I'm going to get a gun and shoot you!", she could have been arrested and charged with making a terrorist threat - a threat which makes the victim fear for their life. Had Terrie pointed a gun at Kaine, she could have been arrested for brandishing a firearm.

So, I don't think we should assume the firearm restriction order is anything more than a precautionary move by Doug, his attorney and the judge.

THANK YOU for pointing this out. Both the divorce petition and the RO are pretty much "print out and fill out" the form documents in this case. Nearly ALL ROs will have that box checked....why would you NOT check it just as a matter of caution? Probably the only ones who don't are those who just don't bother to read the whole thing in the first place. It is just a standard feature of a RO and doesn't mean anything regarding any specific threat or incident. If I should ever need to fill one out, you can bet I am going to check that box just as a precaution.

jmo

 

[PickieChickie]

JMO, but the 911 call on Saturday was the precipitating event that caused Kaine to leave home with the baby. However, it would make far more sense to make Terri leave the home since the baby would obviously be, without a doubt, far more comfortable in her own home and would be a far less disrupting factor in trying to maintain a semblance of stability as far as she is concerned. Personally, myself, I believe what we are seeing here is just the tip of the iceberg where this family is concerned and while all of this is going on, Kyron is still missing. If Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, it's time that she fess up now. Kyron needs to be brought home one way or the other.

I think when law enforcement came, Terrie said, "Kaine is trying to leave and take our daughter with him!"

I don't think they TOLD or ORDERED Kaine to leave, I think they gave him permission to leave because that is what Kaine wanted to do.

Terrie didn't want Kaine taking the baby with him. The police officer said, "Go ahead and leave! Take the baby with you!"

This is what I think may have transpired on that Saturday.​

 

[raeann]

Assuming the possibility that some of the rampant internet hatred and threats to TH have been taken a step further in direct contacts and threats to her at her home, it only makes sense to get the baby out of there. It also makes sense to separate the baby from her for at least the near future, just in case one of the crazies does something to their home or vehicles. I can understand that concern by both parents at this time.

jmo

 

[Lanie]

Mrs. G. U remind me of TB....., a young sleuth from my childhood. I believe her best friend's name was Honey.

O/T, but LMAO!! I ate those books up when I was a kid!! Thanks for the blast from the past!

 

[darlin gal]

This is a pretty important thing to keep in mind when speculating - in all fairness - no matter where we stand on what's going on here. Plus, not that this guy is the be all to end all to assure our questions, but local news said it was normal legal language in any RO. Unfortunately, I see my source article was updated since I last read it: (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_stepmother.html).

So now I can only attest what I read myself, while massively googling - therefore it is now rumor - that the legal expert said that restrictions on guns is applies to all OR's in Oregon....

I will try to find another source, but until then, we can all carry on that this is freaky and telling? And can any other locals help to find out it this is beyond standard RO stipulations?

The no firearms clause was routine in such cases, a court clerk said.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html

 

[CarrieBean]

I think when law enforcement came, Terrie said, "Kaine is trying to leave and take our daughter with him!"

I don't think they TOLD or ORDERED Kaine to leave, I think they gave him permission to leave because that is what Kaine wanted to do.

Terrie didn't want Kaine taking the baby with him. The police officer said, "Go ahead and leave! Take the baby with you!"

This is what I think may have transpired on that Saturday.​

BBM

Unless LE had reason to believe the baby wouldn't be safe/ TH wasn't capable of caring for her, wouldn't this be very unusual?

ETA: I know around here anyone is free to leave the home with personal belongings only (domestic disputes), and that does not include children.

 

[passionflower]

Maybe TH was drinking??? Unable to care for baby??

 

[eyes4crime]

Assuming the possibility that some of the rampant internet hatred and threats to TH have been taken a step further in direct contacts and threats to her at her home, it only makes sense to get the baby out of there. It also makes sense to separate the baby from her for at least the near future, just in case one of the crazies does something to their home or vehicles. I can understand that concern by both parents at this time.

jmo

Unfortunately the situation is not being portrayed that way. Instead, Terri is cast as the (unusual person)with Kaine rushing away with baby girl in arms, running to undisclosed destination. Rushing to a judge and filing for a divorce and RO. The order to seal the RO was in place yesterday and, for some reason, will be vacated today.

Seems to me this case no longer has the focus of Kyron, but of dad coming to the rescue, just in time, to save his baby girl. moo mho

 

[21merc7]

Unfortunately the situation is not being portrayed that way. Instead, Terri is cast as the (unusual person)with Kaine rushing away with baby girl in arms, running to undisclosed destination. Rushing to a judge and filing for a divorce and RO. The order to seal the RO was in place yesterday and, for some reason, will be vacated today.

Seems to me this case no longer has the focus of Kyron, but of dad coming to the rescue, just in time, to save his baby girl. moo mho

Sadly, I suspect that is exactly how KH wants it.

 

[froginTtown]

Here is a pdf file containing instructions and forms for an Oregon FAMILY ABUSE PREVENTION ACT (FAPA) RESTRAINING ORDER.
Simply type the word "firearm" into the search at the top of the document to locate all places where they are referred to:
http://www.oregon.gov/OJD/docs/OSCA...te/Packet1/FAPAOBTAINPACKETMAR2010-1.pdf?ga=t​

Thanks so much for this post... It sure puts everthing into perspective for me... !!!!

 

[grandmaj]

I have been asked to clarifiy some things. First off this thread is about the 911 call. This thread has gone into far too much speculation not based on fact. And it is OT. The threadetiquette is still in place. Go back and read it.

There is no reporting that TH is "crazy', depressed, on anti-depressants, post partum, suicidal, on steroids, drinking or doing any other types of drugs etc..... Those types of labels and theories have no basis. We know something happened there Saturday night. That is all we know right now.

We cannot just make things up. We can speculate based on what we know from the main stream media. If you think her actions have been inappropriate based on her telling the news that Kaine had not moved out then you can say that. But saying she had a pyschotic breakdown etc. is wayyyy beyond that.

Another reminder is, no name calling or name variations. This is not a circus as I have seen over the last few days. I don't want to see any of that. This is a case of a missing child and to call it a circus is disrespectful to Kyron.

Get back to discussing the 911 call. Go back to making comparisons about how the stories may not match. Back what you are saying up with fact. Or don't go down that path. Thanks.

When an arrest is made then threadetiquette will change. Until then the theories that are being formed in a topic thread are OT and many lack no substance of fact.

 

[elle1919]

I understand that we know what time the 911 call was placed but do we know exactly when on Saturday that Kaine left the Hormon home with the younger child? Why do we think that he left after the 911 call or during? I think it is important to be sure because Kaine could have left earlier in the day on Saturday and Terri, upset and desperate, could have called in a suspicious person at the residence as a way of drawing attention to herself and her sudden aloneness Sort of a "hey, look over here at me" ...JMO

 

[TGIRecovered]

I have been informed by my husband, (a police cheif), that it is standard procedeure to suggest that one of the parties in a domestic dispute leave for the night if neither party is to be arrested. It is called a cooling off period.

If Kaine offered to spend the night elsewhere, it is possible that he may have simply offered to take the baby with himm as a favor to Terri, so she could "relax and enjoy some alone time", maybe take a sleeping pill without worrying about the baby. If Terri had no suspicion that Kaine intended to divorce her and file for custody, she may not have protested, thinking that they would both be back tomorrow.

Typical things a police officer might say to diffuse such a domestic situation might be; "You've both been under great stress, constantly together, naturally you get on each others nerves...just take a little break, you will both feel better after a good night's sleep."