2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[wondering1]

So one more to go ....

Also, just FYI, the reply is due in less time than the response. So if one is filed (you dont' HAVE to file one, but you almost always do), it should be within a matter of several days, not a week or more.

 

[BeanE]

Hey BeanE - I'm wondering how we would classify the Terri and Dede police flyers? Leaks? Perceived Leaks? Obvious Leaks? or Tools of the Investigation? :biggrin:

Not a leak. Somebody in the neighborhood who received a flier called a reporter.

:cow:

I think perhaps some people may have misunderstood and thought I was saying that I thought the K&D interviews were leaks or that K&D have engaged in leaking info for LE. Not what I was saying. What I was saying was something along the lines of - not everything is a leak or code or secret message. Sorry I wasn't more clear.

 

[Emma Peel]

Not a leak. Somebody in the neighborhood who received a flier called a reporter.

:cow:

so, flyers are a) investigative tool and not b) pressure tactic via leak?

can't "all of the above" be an answer? :Jumpie:

 

[BeanE]

so, flyers are a) investigative tool and not b) pressure tactic via leak?

can't "all of the above" be an answer? :Jumpie:

Rather like adding hay to the stack, isn't it?

 

[1Chump]

IMO, the fact that she said what he cost and didn't add that she paid a different amount gives rise to the very reasonable inference that she actually paid (or was in the process of paying) that amount.

As it was a text message, we do not know the context. However, it seems like MC must have known the context possibly from an earlier conversation. Because if my friend who did not have a source of income told me that it cost $350K for an attorney, I would not assume she paid it. I would ask "How R U going 2 pay that?"

 

[STEADFAST]

What I was saying was something along the lines of - not everything is a leak or code or secret message. Sorry I wasn't more clear.

Aaaaawww, finally we agree on something in this case, like we do in other cases! :smoochiesmilie:

Sorry I misunderstood.

 

[ami]

I can't imagine, from anything we've observed of him since this started, that Kaine Horman would be unaware that there was a large sum of money missing from the family account. If there was, then why not have his attorney ask for a forensic accounting of her funds, rather than demand to know how she's paying for a criminal attorney she got after he filed divorce papers?

Maybe that would take longer and he's primarily interested in one thing - the money she implied she was being asked to pay to her criminal attorney. What does it even matter which way the information is asked for? A forensic accounting versus a request for information about one particularly suspect source of funds? Because you can't imagine it doesn't mean Kaine can't imagine it either. It could very well be relevant in Kaine's life, his mind, his marriage, his financial picture or his advice from his own attorney.

Maybe Terri's been hoarding money throughout their marriage and it's rightfully both of theirs, maybe it was a gift to her before papers were filed and therefore half Kaine's, maybe he suspects she was paid for human trafficking and this is a way to gain info and clues without waiting for a criminal trial. etc etc etc.

 

[1Chump]

Thank you for sharing...and I am so sorry for your loss....but in your grief you were looking for something to stop that horrid pain hence the alcohol....you were trying to end the pain not have gratification.....am sorry but sexting or texting immediately after this little guy went missing is pure gratification in my opinion.....and that is all it is an opinion...of course I have lost a child so I know what horrific grief is....and I am sorry but sex never entered into it at all......there just are no words for this....I could have overlooked a lot with TH had it not have been for this.........if nothing else her own child was taken away...........where was her grief over that???????????? IMO

IMO, I'm not so sure it was about sex for her either. If anything did happen, it may very well be about needing comfort. I'm not discussing the details of my experiences with grief beyond saying that I have expereinced every type of grief possible with little to no support. Because I was the person who everyone turned to when they needed support, that was my role in everyone's life. They were incapable of changing roles and giving me support. I would have given anything to have just one person who just hugged me and let me cry or even ask me how I was doing.

IMO, although I did not seek out anyone for comfort. If someone would have been around that I could have turned to for comfort, I know I would have.

IMO, TH had lost everything at that point. Her bio son was gone, Kyron - the boy she raised as a son was gone, her husband, her baby, speculation/rumors kept friends away and she was receiving death threats. I cannot condeme TH for seeking comfort in any way she may have. Seeking comfort when you are completely and totally alone does not make you a kidnapper or worse.

 

[nursebeeme]

snip from updated katu article~

ncluded with the documents as an exhibit is a transcript of text messages allegedly sent between Terri Horman and another man, Mike Cook, on June 30 between 11:18 p.m. and 11:26 p.m. The texts talk about the cost of Terri's defense lawyer, Stephen Houze. Most of the texts are redacted from the exhibit, but the messages regarding Terri's lawyer are not:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100794139.html

so there we have it... the redacted texts are those that do not concern conversation about the atty (which is what the exhibit and motion is about afterall even though many want to see all of the other "(s)texts")


moo

 

[debs]

Maybe that would take longer and he's primarily interested in one thing - the money she implied she was being asked to pay to her criminal attorney. What does it even matter which way the information is asked for? A forensic accounting versus a request for information about one particularly suspect source of funds? Because you can't imagine it doesn't mean Kaine can't imagine it either. It could very well be relevant in Kaine's life, his mind, his marriage, his financial picture or his advice from his own attorney.

Maybe Terri's been hoarding money throughout their marriage and it's rightfully both of theirs, maybe it was a gift to her before papers were filed and therefore half Kaine's, maybe he suspects she was paid for human trafficking and this is a way to gain info and clues without waiting for a criminal trial. etc etc etc.

With absolutely no snark intended, I would be amazed if there was a receipt which showed payment for human trafficking.

BUT, if Kaine Horman continues to use his divorce as a way to try his wife without any charges against her for the disappearance of his son, I have a feeling that will backfire on him, badly.

 

[debs]

I'm curious now about something: these sexts happened when Dede was living there, right? When did the public learn about the sextys? Was that June 30? The subsequent "100's" of texts between the two happened ......when?

 

[Etilema]

I can't imagine, from anything we've observed of him since this started, that Kaine Horman would be unaware that there was a large sum of money missing from the family account. If there was, then why not have his attorney ask for a forensic accounting of her funds, rather than demand to know how she's paying for a criminal attorney she got after he filed divorce papers?

I think there was some concern on his part that she may have taken out a loan and that he would be legally responsible for it. The original filing said something about whether she considers it to be a marital debt.

 

[debs]

I think there was some concern on his part that she may have taken out a loan and that he would be legally responsible for it. The original filing said something about whether she considers it to be a marital debt.

I can't imagine any bank officer in this economy giving a loan to a woman with no job and no assets in her own name. Kaine made it very apparent the house was his and his alone.

 

[nursebeeme]

I'm curious now about something: these sexts happened when Dede was living there, right? When did the public learn about the sextys? Was that June 30? The subsequent "100's" of texts between the two happened ......when?

http://www.kptv.com/download/2010/0712/24229769.pdf I have linked this affidavit so many times I should just save it to my desktop.

I cannot snip from it so you will have to read the entire document. Paraphrasing in a nutshell:

The hundreds of texts/sexts and graphic sexual photos were sent starting on the 30th and continued afterward

the picture of the RO was taken on the 28th when she went to MC's home (which she asked him to lie about to her atty btw)
and he showed it to two other people and googled the address

MC confirmed all of this with LE

if we believe DD when she tells PEOPLE she was there for 11 days after the split than yes she was there at the time of the sexts

The date this info was released/affidavit filed, as you can see on the document, was on 12 July 2010. .. but this news article is dated the 12th of July

http://www.kptv.com/news/24229196/detail.html

 

[matou]

Court docs: Terri Horman text message confirms $350K lawyer

I want to read the blacked out bits of the texts!

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-docum...nfirms-350K-cost-of-her-lawyer-100797134.html

 

[Etilema]

I can't imagine any bank officer in this economy giving a loan to a woman with no job and no assets in her own name. Kaine made it very apparent the house was his and his alone.

Perhaps it wasn't a bank loan. It could even be a contract with the lawyer, and if it were entered into during the marriage, KH could possibly be on the hook to pay. I think it would be foolish for KH to make assumptions, and his lawyer probably advised him as much.

JMO

 

[passionflower]

http://www.kptv.com/download/2010/0712/24229769.pdf I have linked this affidavit so many times I should just save it to my desktop.

I cannot snip from it so you will have to read the entire document. Paraphrasing in a nutshell:

The hundreds of texts/sexts and graphic sexual photos were sent starting on the 30th and continued afterward

the picture of the RO was taken on the 28th when she went to MC's home (which she asked him to lie about to her atty btw)
and he showed it to two other people and googled the address

MC confirmed all of this with LE

if we believe DD when she tells PEOPLE she was there for 11 days after the split than yes she was there at the time of the sexts

The date this info was released/affidavit filed, as you can see on the document, was on 12 July 2010. .. but this news article is dated the 12th of July

http://www.kptv.com/news/24229196/detail.html

and her parents were there also?????

 

[nursebeeme]

and her parents were there also?????

iirc they were but I will have to dig up a link. I do recall them arriving after all the SHTF

 

[pufnstuf]

http://www.kptv.com/download/2010/0712/24229769.pdf I have linked this affidavit so many times I should just save it to my desktop.

I cannot snip from it so you will have to read the entire document. Paraphrasing in a nutshell:

The hundreds of texts/sexts and graphic sexual photos were sent starting on the 30th and continued afterward

the picture of the RO was taken on the 28th when she went to MC's home (which she asked him to lie about to her atty btw)
and he showed it to two other people and googled the address

MC confirmed all of this with LE

if we believe DD when she tells PEOPLE she was there for 11 days after the split than yes she was there at the time of the sexts

The date this info was released/affidavit filed, as you can see on the document, was on 12 July 2010. .. but this news article is dated the 12th of July

http://www.kptv.com/news/24229196/detail.html

Nurse...what do you think that this means? That the sexual images involved Dede and Terri? Or that there's a possibility that it was Dede doing the sexting?

 

[pufnstuf]

iirc they were but I will have to dig up a link. I do recall them arriving after all the SHTF

This is a great discussion topic. Start a thread with it, please? Not trying to push this out of this thread, but I'm thinking that we really need to dig into this!

I had not even thought of this.