2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[Morag]

But it presumes that Terri actually has disclosed the true state of her finances to the attorney and we have heard that she has considered lying to an attorney she hired as an option.

It is not unheard of for a lawyer to 'fire' his client. Thus far, he has not fired her.

 

[Donjeta]

It is not unheard of for a lawyer to 'fire' his client. Thus far, he has not fired her.

Yes, and...? What does it say about her finances?

 

[Aedrys]

Allrighty then........everyone should be satisfied with her divorce attorney's statement that Terri Horman has no assets and no income. CASE CLOSED!!!! We have agreement!!!

Darlin', if it were that easy, divorce court wouldn't exist. Hell, court wouldn't exist if it was just the lawyer's say so. No, in court, there has to be PROOF behind what the lawyer is saying. My God, can you imagine divorce cases if it was just the lawyers talking, no proof, nothing from either person? That would be insane.

Geez, all the lawyer has to do is show the judge the proof, and then the judge can rule on whether Kaine and his lawyer need to know that information, or heck, just rule if that info is considered part of Kaine's money or not. Kaine and his lawyer don't even have to know what the real amount is or where it came from. I don't understand why Houze doesn't call for a in camera meeting with the judge to get this over with. Maybe divorce court doesn't work like that, I don't know.

Him saying she has no finances means nothing without the paper work to prove it. And this is the kind of item that requires paperwork. I'm sure judges take the word of a lawyer when it doesn't require paperwork behind it. I'm not saying he's lying, but no good judge just goes on the word of a lawyer with an item like monetary assets! And thank GOD for that.

And I don't blame Kaine. At the very least, Terri has proven herself to be untrustworthy. If I were him, I'd want to see proof that the payment is inaccurate and that she has no monetary assets.

 

[debs]

You're absolutely right. But that's the point. Kaine is attempting to try a criminal case in a divorce proceeding. There is no proof but what he wants Terri to give him to show she's "guilty" or exonerate herself, which will also be used against her. This is a divorce proceeding. It cannot be allowed that his attorney forces her to answer criminal questions in a matter that is NOT a part of divorce.....the parting of the ways, the division of shared assets, the determination of custody/visitation of the minor child.

And that's what I object to, strenuously.

Darlin', if it were that easy, divorce court wouldn't exist. Hell, court wouldn't exist if it was just the lawyer's say so. No, in court, there has to be PROOF behind what the lawyer is saying. My God, can you imagine divorce cases if it was just the lawyers talking, no proof, nothing from either person? That would be insane.

Geez, all the lawyer has to do is show the judge the proof, and then the judge can rule on whether Kaine and his lawyer need to know that information, or heck, just rule if that info is considered part of Kaine's money or not. Kaine and his lawyer don't even have to know what the real amount is or where it came from. I don't understand why Houze doesn't call for a in camera meeting with the judge to get this over with. Maybe divorce court doesn't work like that, I don't know.

Him saying she has no finances means nothing without the paper work to prove it. And this is the kind of item that requires paperwork. I'm sure judges take the word of a lawyer when it doesn't require paperwork behind it. I'm not saying he's lying, but no good judge just goes on the word of a lawyer with an item like monetary assets! And thank GOD for that.

And I don't blame Kaine. At the very least, Terri has proven herself to be untrustworthy. If I were him, I'd want to see proof that the payment is inaccurate and that she has no monetary assets.

 

[Openmyeyes]

Well, it says the
"sexual overtures resemble ..."THOSE'' made."

In parsing that sentence, the word "those" clearly refers to the words "sexual overtures."

It can't mean "the sexual overtures resemble THOSE (casseroles) made...or the sexual overtures resemble THOSE (bookcases) made.

He might well have written "the sexual overtures resemble those sexual overtures made...but it is customarily not to be redundant.

What do you think "those" means used in the context of that sentence?

I'm respectfully most interested in your alternative interpretation....

Perhaps you are confusing MC (the guy she did sext that was Kaines friend from high school) and the landscaper that she supposedly involved in the MFHP. I believe these are 2 different people.

If you could link where someone says she was having a sexting session with
the LS/MFH guy, I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[rnmif]

Not sure what you mean - however you want to characterize Rackner's argument, the judge agreed with her. What's "very bad" about that?

The matter of when the divorce proceedings will actually take place has yet to be determined.

 

[loves2bmom]

Perhaps you are confusing MC (the guy she did sext that was Kaines friend from high school) and the landscaper that she supposedly involved in the MFHP. I believe these are 2 different people.

If you could link where someone says she was having a sexting session with
the LS/MFH guy, I would greatly appreciate it.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Pol...g-mirrored-talk-with-landscaper-98369624.html

 

[Aedrys]

You're absolutely right. But that's the point. Kaine is attempting to try a criminal case in a divorce proceeding. There is no proof but what he wants Terri to give him to show she's "guilty" or exonerate herself, which will also be used against her. This is a divorce proceeding. It cannot be allowed that his attorney forces her to answer criminal questions in a matter that is NOT a part of divorce.....the parting of the ways, the division of shared assets, the determination of custody/visitation of the minor child.

And that's what I object to, strenuously.

Honestly, I don't want it turning into a mini trial either. Of course, Terri could just take the 5th, and Kaine won't get anywhere. She can't be forced, by law, to answer any questions. So there's her protection right there. I don't think Kaine will get very much if he tries, but I don't blame him for trying. And I don't see how her source of money would make her guilty in kidnapping/murdering/selling/handing off Kyron, unless it's directly connected to it. I really hope it isn't.

 

[wondering1]

You're absolutely right. But that's the point. Kaine is attempting to try a criminal case in a divorce proceeding. There is no proof but what he wants Terri to give him to show she's "guilty" or exonerate herself, which will also be used against her. This is a divorce proceeding. It cannot be allowed that his attorney forces her to answer criminal questions in a matter that is NOT a part of divorce.....the parting of the ways, the division of shared assets, the determination of custody/visitation of the minor child.

And that's what I object to, strenuously.

with respect...I have no idea what you're saying here. KH will not be permitted to bring irrelevant matters into the divorce proceedings. He might bring up matters that are relevant to BOTH the divorce and the criminal case, but what makes you think the family court judge will allow him to bring up matters that only pertain to the criminal case (which, by the way, does not exist yet), in the context of the divorce. I totally don't get what you are driving at.

 

[ami]

Attorneys are considered to be "officers of the court", and as such, their word is accepted in many situations. If every single statement in (even ordinary) divorce cases had to be tried and proved, well, Larry King would still be trying to divorce his first wife! As officers of the court, attorneys are very conscious of their status, and it would be most unusual for a lawyer to make a false statement in a situation like this. He/she could be disbarred.

I didn't say every single statement had to be proven, I said financial statements were normal and expected. Houze's potential fee and Terri's potential debt/asset seem to be such basic pieces of financial information that I'm not understanding why it's such a hot button issue. If Houze for whatever reason is opposed to giving proof but instead wants to give his official "word" about the finances, I suppose the judge and Kaine's attorney can make the call if that's sufficient for them.

 

[Openmyeyes]

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Pol...g-mirrored-talk-with-landscaper-98369624.html

Thanks, very interesting....

 

[debs]

with respect...I have no idea what you're saying here. KH will not be permitted to bring irrelevant matters into the divorce proceedings. He might bring up matters that are relevant to BOTH the divorce and the criminal case, but what makes you think the family court judge will allow him to bring up matters that only pertain to the criminal case (which, by the way, does not exist yet), in the context of the divorce. I totally don't get what you are driving at.

Because Kaine Horman filed a restraining order and divorce papers using the same justification: That Terri Horman tried to have him murdered and he has been given reason to believe she disappeared his son.

That's why.

 

[Donjeta]

Actually we have Peter Bunch's word that Terri has no assets, not Houzes.

I still don't understand how Kaine asking Terri to disclose what she paid to Houze with which money amounts to trying her in a criminal case that hasn't been filed yet or how it relates to her guilt in any way, unless she got the money for Houze's retainer in some unlawful way.

 

[mysteriew]

I bet that TH was steamed that KH didn't show up in court today! I mean you psych yourself up to face the other, but then he didn't show!

I'm interested in where she got the money for the attorney also and I don't blame KH for his interest.

1. Someone could have given her the money. Someone willing to loan or give her that amt of money needs to be seriously looked at in terms of any potential relationship to Kyle's disappearance.

2. She had that amt of money hidden. With no job if she managed to have that amt of money hidden, then I would have to question how she got the money and was it legally obtained. If illegally obtained, then there is the possibility that it could be related to Kyle's disappearance.

3. Family could have given it to her. Again back to number one.

4. TH was secretly employed and going to work and returning while KH was at work. And I would wonder if she was working under those conditions could she have even accrued that much money? Again was it legal employment? (I don't really think that she was employed and hiding her earnings, but posted it just to cover the faint possibility.)

 

[Donjeta]

Because Kaine Horman filed a restraining order and divorce papers using the same justification: That Terri Horman tried to have him murdered and he has been given reason to believe she disappeared his son.

That's why.

So if he had reason to believe so he should just have stayed married and let her have access to himself and the remaining child? In order not to force Terri to say anything in court?

 

[PDXMom]

I don't suppose you made a date for coffee so you could ask her all our questions, did ya?

Heh! When a reporter started to ask her a question, an officer quickly shut him down and said, "hey, hey hey!". It was eerily silent. It took them around 30 seconds or more to get Houze, her, and her divorce atty. into the tiny car that waited for them. I don't know who was driving. All that time, no words at all.

 

[wondering1]

Because Kaine Horman filed a restraining order and divorce papers using the same justification: That Terri Horman tried to have him murdered and he has been given reason to believe she disappeared his son.

That's why.

Right. So her testimony about those issues may be relevant to various issues in the divorce. And if it is, the Judge will let it in. If it's not, he won't. for example, if she agrees to everything, she won't have to testify at all (or take the 5th).

What, should he have pretended he had different less awful reasons for filing for divorce? Seems like those would do for most people. I know they would for me. jmoo

 

[debs]

So if he had reason to believe so he should just have stayed married and let her have access to himself and the remaining child? In order not to force Terri to say anything in court?

That's not what I'm saying at all. Kaine set the train in motion. But he has no right to trample over things to get what he wants because he was the first one to steal off with the baby. He is making claims that so far have been unsubstantiated. He is now further attempting to force his wife to answer them in a civil court because, as many wiser people than me have stated, a criminal case could take years. That is unfair.

Resolve his divorce because he feels he needs one. But to make Terri testify in a manner which exposes her to incrimination (Thank you to whoever posted the links to why you should never talk to the police!) is just ridiculous.

 

[stmarysmead]

Perhaps you are confusing MC (the guy she did sext that was Kaines friend from high school) and the landscaper that she supposedly involved in the MFHP. I believe these are 2 different people.

If you could link where someone says she was having a sexting session with
the LS/MFH guy, I would greatly appreciate it.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Poli...-98369624.html

"The motion also states police told Kaine that Terri exchanged hundred of text messages with Cook and several photographs of Terri Horman "in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity." According to the filing, the "sexual nature" of the relationship between Cook and Terri Horman began on or about June 30, four days after Kaine Horman moved out of the family's Northwest Portland home.

Cook was a high school classmate of Kaine Horman, and also helped organize the first vigil for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.


****!!!Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."



That last sentence.....there really is no logical or grammatical way to interpret that except that "sexual overtures" resembling each other were made in both instances.

 

[stmarysmead]

That's not what I'm saying at all. Kaine set the train in motion. But he has no right to trample over things to get what he wants because he was the first one to steal off with the baby. He is making claims that so far have been unsubstantiated. He is now further attempting to force his wife to answer them in a civil court because, as many wiser people than me have stated, a criminal case could take years. That is unfair.

Resolve his divorce because he feels he needs one. But to make Terri testify in a manner which exposes her to incrimination (Thank you to whoever posted the links to why you should never talk to the police!) is just ridiculous.

Nope,, the "train was set in motion" by police. They told Kaine, that while they were investigating his missing son, they found someone who claims Terri Tried to hire him to kill Kaine. And if there is evidence "that resembles" each other...between this and the "sexting" case...they have MORE than this Landscaper's word!


Once again, if Teri "incriminates" herself...it means there was SOMETHING THERE...something that shows she was party to hurting or hiding Kyron.


Hurrah! I'd celebrate that! Kyron deserves justice. His parents deserve to know.

If looking at where she gets a possible;e $350, 000 leads to evidence she sold him to child pornographers or she put him at risk by making money in an illegal way...HURRAH! Let it happen.

There is nothing "unfair" if it provides information in this case IMO.

"get what he wants"..."to steal off with the baby"....His son is missing and he just learned from POlice that his wife tried to kill him...but it's all about "getting what he wants?" Protecting his Baby from a woman who might well be comfortable with murder...is "stealing her away?"

God bless him for doing so. Protect the children first!

If there is nothing there...the Landscaper is a liar, the Police fools, the money. legit...she will come out of it like Gold! Hurrah! to that too.

I do not advocate protecting Terri before Kyron or Baby K.