2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[Etilema]

While I agree that google mapping the new address looks really skeevy, in fairness I have to say that it could have been done with the innocent motive of making sure of the place she has been ordered to avoid.

By including his new residence in the RO, that means that if TMH so much as drove past his house without stopping, that would be probable cause for arrest. If I were TMH, that would be enough to make me want to take every possible step to avoid violating the order. And that would include googling it if I weren't previously familiar with that street or area.

Is the implication that TH doesn't understand how to use Googlemaps herself and needs the help of a man?

 

[GrainneDhu]

Originally Posted by GrainneDhu
There was, however, a hearing already set for 22 July 2010. One week from today. It's not like there hadn't been a hearing date at all.

If I were someone ordinary, who had to stand in line like the regular folks for my court dates, I might feel a little peeved that KH can't wait a week. And if it were my hearing that got bumped to make space on the schedule for KH, I'd be more than peeved.

While I can see your point, under these circumstances, it would be better for the wee daughter to back in her familiar surroundings. Other than her dad, the house is the only other 'constant' at this time. I am totally befuddled why the step mom should be allowed to remain in the family home given she was the source of potential domestic violence (why hasn't she been charged on that?).

KH made the decision to leave the residence with baby K, as is his right. He obtained an emergency RO against TMH but it did not include a clause to remove her from the family residence.

I agree that baby K would probably be better off at home. And a judge may well agree as well. But there is still the rule of law to consider. KH did not originally petition to require TMH to leave the family home. Since he left and has a RO against TMH going near his new location, he cannot now argue that her immediate removal is required for safety.

So, TMH's choices were to simply move out when she was served with the new RO or to request a hearing on the new petition to remove her from the family home.

There was originally a hearing set for 22 July 2010 (one week from now). Now KH is requesting a hearing date before then.

If I were an ordinary domestic violence petitioner who felt equally endangered by my soon-to-be-ex partner whose hearing date was bumped to make way for KH's essentially similar emergency hearing, I'd be peeved. To say the least.

 

[TxLady2]

While I can see your point, under these circumstances, it would be better for the wee daughter to back in her familiar surroundings. Other than her dad, the house is the only other 'constant' at this time. I am totally befuddled why the step mom should be allowed to remain in the family home given she was the source of potential domestic violence (why hasn't she been charged on that?).

She hasn't been charged because they don't have the proof to support the claims. No video or audio tapes to confirm. Not to mention that it happened 7 months before, and Kaine is obviously still alive so what are they going to charge her with? Intent?... maybe, but they have to prove that she had a real intention, and the landscaper neglected to have a tape recorder in his pocket at the time.... oops! Maybe he'll know better next time!

 

[TxLady2]

KH made the decision to leave the residence with baby K, as is his right. He obtained an emergency RO against TMH but it did not include a clause to remove her from the family residence.

I agree that baby K would probably be better off at home. And a judge may well agree as well. But there is still the rule of law to consider. KH did not originally petition to require TMH to leave the family home. Since he left and has a RO against TMH going near his new location, he cannot now argue that her immediate removal is required for safety.

So, TMH's choices were to simply move out when she was served with the new RO or to request a hearing on the new petition to remove her from the family home.

There was originally a hearing set for 22 July 2010 (one week from now). Now KH is requesting a hearing date before then.

If I were an ordinary domestic violence petitioner who felt equally endangered by my soon-to-be-ex partner whose hearing date was bumped to make way for KH's essentially similar emergency hearing, I'd be peeved. To say the least.

I agree. And I still wonder where the immediate danger was, in LE's mind, to advise Kaine to take their daughter and leave. Did she actually make verbal threats to him or to the baby? I'm not an expert on the law, but a MFH plot 7 months prior just doesn't spell an immediate threat to me. I guess being the #1 suspect in a child's disappearance would be a factor, but it still just seems kind of odd to me, without any real proof that she did plot to have him killed. Maybe LE knows more than we do, but I thought there was some kind of stipulation that "immediate danger" had to be within a certain time frame, and 7 or 8 months ago would probably not fall into that time frame.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Is the implication that TH doesn't understand how to use Googlemaps herself and needs the help of a man?

I have no idea if TMH knows how to use Google maps or not. Or why MC decided to use his own phone to do so.

Without any evidence, I feel I have to make allowance for the possibility that it was innocent in intent.

 

[Donjeta]

Anybody think TH might have uttered a remark such as "I can't go there cos' I'll get arrested but you can, please go see the place, make sure Kaine won't see you"?

 

[Annazed]

... a MFH plot 7 months prior just doesn't spell an immediate threat to me...

I am not intending to jump on you personally because several posters have voiced this or a version of this opinion. My own thinking is that once a person shows inherent disregard for human life, a propensity for solving problems with violence, intent to conspire to commit violence against anyone and a demonstrated willingness to be a party to murder then all bets are pretty much off. Seven months or seven years later they would represent a threat to all concerned in my mind. I don't think that there is any window where such thinking could be said to begin and end. LE obviously doesn't think so either, neither does Kaine.

 

[Donjeta]

I agree. And I still wonder where the immediate danger was, in LE's mind, to advise Kaine to take their daughter and leave. Did she actually make verbal threats to him or to the baby? I'm not an expert on the law, but a MFH plot 7 months prior just doesn't spell an immediate threat to me. I guess being the #1 suspect in a child's disappearance would be a factor, but it still just seems kind of odd to me, without any real proof that she did plot to have him killed. Maybe LE knows more than we do, but I thought there was some kind of stipulation that "immediate danger" had to be within a certain time frame, and 7 or 8 months ago would probably not fall into that time frame.

Seven months ago might not be that recent if it was all but iirc LE said that she might have contacted somebody else when the LS fell through.

We don't know in which time frame she allegedly wanted him killed either. Say, if there had been a conversation about "I really want him killed can you do it for me? But you can't do it right now because LE would know we're in contact, and I don't have the money now either. I'll let you know somehow when I've got the funds and we'll arrange it later."

 

[For The Kids]

I agree. And I still wonder where the immediate danger was, in LE's mind, to advise Kaine to take their daughter and leave. Did she actually make verbal threats to him or to the baby? I'm not an expert on the law, but a MFH plot 7 months prior just doesn't spell an immediate threat to me. I guess being the #1 suspect in a child's disappearance would be a factor, but it still just seems kind of odd to me, without any real proof that she did plot to have him killed. Maybe LE knows more than we do, but I thought there was some kind of stipulation that "immediate danger" had to be within a certain time frame, and 7 or 8 months ago would probably not fall into that time frame.

I dont know...she wanted her husband out of the way supposedly..and now her step son is out of the way...im not sure i would fancy my chances around her.

I Personally think she is dangerous

JMO

 

[freefallzzzz]

From Fox 12

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PORTLAND, Ore. -- The father of a missing Portland boy was spotted inside a Multnomah County Courthouse on Thursday.
Kaine Horman, along with his lawyer, and his estranged wife's attorney were seen. Terri Horman was not present.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24276994/detail.html

 

[adh74]

Could this be the expedited hearing that Kaine requested yesterday?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_update_kaine_seek.html

 

[freefallzzzz]

KOIN is live outside the courthouse right now.. waiting for them to come out..

 

[froginTtown]

oh.. it would be great if TH attorney is there to say that they know where Kyron is...

 

[DairyGirl]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kaine_horman_urges_judge_to_fo.html

Hearing on Kaine Horman's motion to force Terri Horman out of house underway.

 

[tehcloser]

Horman was dressed in a grey sweatshirt and tan shorts and sneakers. He has a freshly shaved head.

Odd thing to report about.....

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kaine_horman_urges_judge_to_fo.html

 

[grayjay]

Since they suspect she is a vengeful person, I'm curious to see the wording of the orders that come next, as to what happens if she destroys things in a rage before leaving. I worry what she might do, and I'm thinking Kaine does, too.

 

[adh74]

Terri Horman was seen leaving the house about an hour before the 4:30 p.m. hearing began, sitting in the backseat of a car driven by an assistant to her attorney, Stephen Houze.

She's not attending the hearing, but she did leave the house about an hour before it was to begin. Hmm..maybe she knows she has to leave? Perhaps they aren't fighting the order to vacate?

 

[freefallzzzz]

Per KOIN local news, a hearing is set tomorrow at 3pm for the RO..
. SEE post 12 below... updated..

 

[KR2tonenow]

I wonder if TH's lawyer will try and get money from KH.

 

[azmama]

I wonder if TH's lawyer will try and get money from KH.

You mean for support or a move? That would be a ballsy thing to ask for! I would say not a chance until you tell me what happened to Kyron and where he is!