2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[grandmaj]

Terri's attorney must provide evidence. He can't just say the money came from a third party. That isn't evidence.

If we hold to that lack of evidence as being proof, then Kaine's attorney could say Terri Horman tried to have my client killed. End of Story she is guilty.

 

[passionflower]

If the money was "not a gift and not a loan"...then Terri "earned " this money in some fashion. She did something that resulted in sums of money for that service or that object or... that person.... she conveyed. That's how she got her money.

If the money were from her parents, it would certainly be "the loan or gift"...and this would be a non-issue.

If LE believes that Terri "earned" money as part of a criminal activity that connects to Kyron's disappearance, I say kudos to Kaine, the loving Dad...for assisting in helping gain more information.

The fact remains if Terri had a simple answer...it could IN NO WAY..hurt her or her rights. The fact that she DOES NOT...is huge.

Put yourself in her place...if you could even just clear this one thing up...wouldn't you?



Terri apparently...cannot disclose the source or means in which she came by that money.

WOW!

BBM

ITA, I always thought it was illegally gotten..........sex, , selling KYRON for pediphiles pleasure??? some inhumane way...as DY said KYRON saw, was involved, disgusting, not treated as a human???......so she cannot admit it.
Is this the 'LE statement ,we know things we wish we did not; you will be shocked when you look back........by sherrif

 

[debs]

Terri may be as innocent as snow. But suppose she is not.

Just let your mind go to any direction as to how she may have earned money....

Remember Desiree using the word "sickening"...

Desiree's statements of "motherly instinct" aren't admissible, nor were they admitted as testimony today in the abatement.

LE telling us they had seen things they wish they hadn't....

Not brought forward as a statement to determine the abatement for divorce.

Desiree saying "Kyron saw it all."....

Motherly instinct which was not brought forward in court today. How does Desiree know "Kyron saw it all"? I have some questions about that.

Add in the allegation that the Landscaper said he was offered a "substantial" sum of money by Terri to kill Kaine.

Not brought forward in today's proceedings regarding an abatement.

And now Terri will not ot cannot explain in simple terms how she hired an expensive lawyer.

Terri...the unemployed housewife.

"Third party paid." Question was answered.

Maybe it is all just more bad luck for Terri...all coincidence...

But, just on the chance LE is on the right track, I commend Kaine for helping him.,..and I pray Baby K will be kept from Terri until all this is completely dispelled.

Baby K is real. So is or was that sweet little Kyron.

I just can't agree with...taking a chance with Baby K. to satisfy Terri.

Just can't.

The court has determined that the State has interjected itself into a civil divorce proceeding to the extent that it has compromised Terri's 5th Amendment Rights. The court determined that.

Looks like if Kaine has something he can go with outside of motherly instinct from Desiree, he should bring it out, big guns style.

 

[grandmaj]

I think this judge has inkling that this criminal case will probably be much further along by January and thus the constitutional issues will be mute at that time. JMO

 

[debs]

Terri's attorney must provide evidence. He can't just say the money came from a third party. That isn't evidence.

If we hold to that lack of evidence as being proof, then Kaine's attorney could say Terri Horman tried to have my client killed. End of Story she is guilty.

Kaine's attorney had every opportunity to rebut this statement. She did not.

 

[gitana1]

G1, if they hired the attorney and not Terri does that somehow get around the "gift?"

One cannot hire an attorney for another person unless they have power of attorney over that person. It creates a conflict for the attorney because it clouds who the client is and who the attorney is answerable to.
I guess if they paid the attorney directly on TH's behalf so she could hire the attorney, they could try to say it's not a gift, but it really is. Nevertheless, perhaps that's what they mean.

 

[Kat010]

At least the Judge is appreciative that Terri has Constitutional Rights, if people in general would choose to deny them to her.

Yep. And basically, Kaine's demand to "tell me where you go the money!' is simply bullying via legal means, IMHO. It's a way to try and degrade, if not deny, attorney-client privilege. And, it's also a way to try and open the door to get hands on records to see if there's any little kernel--not necessarily related to money--that can be served up to LE or the media. IMHO

TH's attorneys were fighting for some important protections that could set precedents in other cases. There seems to be several issues that have come up that directly are related to such issues.

If Santa Claus flew in and paid Houze, and left one of his elves to do the clerical work, it's really none of Kaine's business, IMHO, legally speaking. It's his business only if she got into his "mad money" and absconded with it, and I think he'd have noticed that by now.

TH hasn't been charged with a crime, so Kaine's belief in what she did or did not do is just that--his personal belief. Personal beliefs do not negate our constitutional rights.

I have learned so much so far from this case. Every day I appreciate my very successful criminal defense attorney friend and neighbor more, as I'm gaining a better appreciation of what he does.

 

[BeanE]

Terri's attorney must provide evidence. He can't just say the money came from a third party. That isn't evidence.

If we hold to that lack of evidence as being proof, then Kaine's attorney could say Terri Horman tried to have my client killed. End of Story she is guilty.

I think whoever brings forward the allegations has to prove them, but I don't know for sure, because IANAL.

 

[grandmaj]

The divorce was abated until January. Offer of proof will be argued at the time IMO.

 

[BeanE]

BBM

ITA, I always thought it was illegally gotten..........sex, , selling KYRON for pediphiles pleasure??? some inhumane way...as DY said KYRON saw, was involved, disgusting, not treated as a human???......so she cannot admit it.
Is this the 'LE statement ,we know things we wish we did not; you will be shocked when you look back........by sherrif

So that would be johns, pimps, producers, or pedophiles paying Houze, since it was a third party paid him. I can't see him becoming engaged in that, or allowing that.

 

[Kat010]

I think whoever brings forward the allegations has to prove them, but I don't know for sure, because IANAL.

Which gets us right back to the core issue: KH and DY have repeatedly said that TH is guilty. However, no one, either LE or the DA has yet provided proof for their allegations.

It's the herd of elephants in the room.

 

[debs]

p.s., Houze has not yet addressed the court as Terri's attorney for criminal charges, since well, no one has charged her for anything. Since so far he's sitting on the sidelines, would it be a conflict of interest for a third party to have paid his asking fee, if he hasn't yet really acted legally on her behalf?

 

[stmarysmead]

"http://www.katu.com/news/104507829.html

11:17 a.m.: Peter Bunch: says Kaine’s lawyer has mounds of information from the investigation: “It is fundamentally unfair for (baby K) and for Miss Horman for me to be hamstrung in the divorce case for the information I have compared to what they have.”

Another thing we learned today is that Kaine's attorney has "mounds of information" about the case. I would assume Kaine is privy to the content of those "mounds." Therefore, the idea that the patents are speaking only from emotion...or know nothing more than Internet Sleuthers has been refuted.

Another very significant point.

I think today's hearing provided a great deal of very interesting information.

 

[miabellamoure]

Yep. And basically, Kaine's demand to "tell me where you go the money!' is simply bullying via legal means, IMHO. It's a way to try and degrade, if not deny, attorney-client privilege. And, it's also a way to try and open the door to get hands on records to see if there's any little kernel--not necessarily related to money--that can be served up to LE or the media. IMHO

TH's attorneys were fighting for some important protections that could set precedents in other cases. There seems to be several issues that have come up that directly are related to such issues.

If Santa Claus flew in and paid Houze, and left one of his elves to do the clerical work, it's really none of Kaine's business, IMHO, legally speaking. It's his business only if she got into his "mad money" and absconded with it, and I think he'd have noticed that by now.

TH hasn't been charged with a crime, so Kaine's belief in what she did or did not do is just that--his personal belief. Personal beliefs do not negate our constitutional rights.

I have learned so much so far from this case. Every day I appreciate my very successful criminal defense attorney friend and neighbor more, as I'm gaining a better appreciation of what he does.

bbm

I didn't read of any bullying by Kaine going on...nor did I hear Kaine ever state, you better tell me where you got the money from or you'll never see baby K**** again...that to me would be an example of bullying.

 

[debs]

Yes, it is significant in that the State has violated its rules of keeping information secret in an ongoing investigation.

 

[grandmaj]

But Terri selling her story would be a way to pay for her defense. And Kaine has a right to know if the "focus" of the investigation into his son disappearing is paying for her defense with book or movie proceeds.

 

[BeanE]

p.s., Houze has not yet addressed the court as Terri's attorney for criminal charges, since well, no one has charged her for anything. Since so far he's sitting on the sidelines, would it be a conflict of interest for a third party to have paid his asking fee, if he hasn't yet really acted legally on her behalf?

I would imagine it's just a small retainer that's been paid to Houze so far, since Terri hasn't been charged, and he's not had much work to do yet really.

Darned if I'd drop $350k on an attorney when I didn't even know if I'd ever face charges. And I doubt Houze would require it.

 

[debs]

bbm

I didn't read of any bullying by Kaine going on...nor did I hear Kaine ever state, you better tell me where you got the money from or you'll never see baby K**** again...that to me would be an example of bullying.

Desiree stated in a letter she read to Terri, with Kaine at her side, that Terri "will go to jail." Kaine throughout the interview and release of that statement nodded and allowed Desiree to go on.

 

[debs]

But Terri selling her story would be a way to pay for her defense. And Kaine has a right to know if the "focus" of the investigation into his son disappearing is paying for her defense with book or movie proceeds.

Why? I'm not being argumentative, I am truly curious. Why would Kaine have the right to know this if Terri did not have anything to do with Kyron's disappearance? Terri has a story to sell, and until she is charged, tried, and convicted, it is not illegal to sell that story, if that's what she chooses to do.

 

[Jade2010]

So that would be johns, pimps, producers, or pedophiles paying Houze, since it was a third party paid him. I can't see him becoming engaged in that, or allowing that.

Oh maybe it's Vivid Entertainment and Terri promised to do a !! :banghead: