2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[Billylee]

MCSO has continually denied that they gave Kaine Horman the information that he used in the RO. I would really like whichever LE agency that gave him these documents to make themselves known. Won't they have to testify if these documents are used in the civil proceedings anyway?

 

[citigirl]

A child has rights that are being violated. K is being kept from her mother. A mother in jail has the right to see her child. The child visits in a supervised setting. Terri's attorney stated Terri would agree to supervised visitation. Kaine then wanted her to submit to a psych eval before he'd even consider it, and without having to submit to one for himself. Sure, he's not the alleged crazy one, but just because HE says Terri is crazy doesn't make it so, and surely isn't the criteria one should use to believe someone should undergo psychiatric evaluation in order to prove something that someone says about them.

She isn't charged with a crime. She's accused of a lot of things. Yeah, she could come out and just state they are all lies, but at some point, you cannot shout down the loud voices who want to just say crap about you. She has to think of the real losses she could face. Yeah, it's obvious she could have thought about that sooner. But she HAS to think of it now. And that is she wants her daughter back all the way. Now she has to focus on longer term goals. That's what her attorney said, and that is what she will do.

This is a common situation in child custody disputes and it is resolved with both parties undergoing a psych evaluation. But the types of allegations against Terri(according to her own lawyers) are particularly dangerous to a child. Again, parties in a divorce often allege things about each other, and psych evaluations are normal kinds of evidence that help a judge decide which of the allegations are true.

 

[STEADFAST]

what parts do you want a link for? I will be happy to help locate one, if there is one for that which you are questioning.

Speaking for myself, I would like links for

1. Rudy Sanchez is an alias for the landscaper.

2. LE has gained no ground in investigating the MFH plot

And I would like to know at what venue LE would be expected at this time to have produced the landscaper.

 

[Donjeta]

FWIW it was Bunch who said the landscaper has an alias. (But then so do I...)

Peter Bunch said he's asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1, back to Dec 26th [Note: the Decemeber request my have been mispoken]. But was denied by Sheriff's office saying it's part of "ongoing Investigation." He's tried to serve the landscaper, Rudy Sanchez with subpoena for deposition, but prosecutors wouldn't give him contact information because of the "ongoing investigation." Bunch said Terri called 911 when Sanchez showed up at her house wired "trying to talk to about something". He also said Rudy Sanchez is an AKA (alias).

http://www.katu.com/news/104507829.html

 

[SmoothOperator]

Also, I think this filing was 100% brilliance! I have a girl crush on Laura Rackner.

I do too, gwenabob!! Laura Rackner is one rockin' chic!!
For HOUZE to be such an awesomely talented ATTY I'd say Rackner is right there with him punch after punch. IMO HOUZE/Bunch were probably thinking Rackner might not be able to keep up with how the "big boys" play in court and that these "back door", round about loop holed ways that they have thus far attempted on behalf of their client would have been able to slickly slide right on thru but As I said Rackner has kept up with him and IMO IS PREVAILING THUS FAR(of course my measuring is by the fact of baby ks best interests continued to be top priority and kept in place)..

Rackner is one badazz chic, of course jmo.


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[JBean]

Speaking for myself, I would like links for

1. Rudy Sanchez is an alias for the landscaper.

2. LE has gained no ground in investigating the MFH plot

And I would like to know at what venue LE would be expected at this time to have produced the landscaper.

FWIW it was Bunch who said the landscaper has an alias. (But then so do I...)


http://www.katu.com/news/104507829.html

first one has been answered, and it is opinion that LE has gained no ground, I assume based on the fact that there is no arrest. Reasonable deductions at this point in time. The last we heard there was a failed sting and not much has surfaced beyond that.
As for the last I am not sure what you are looking for as it relates to the post in question.
We certainly follow guidelines here, but not so much that we cannot state our speculations based on current events. KWIM?

hth

 

[citigirl]

Wonder what the next salvo from from Houze will consist of? I suspect BeanE is onto something--Houze will say that the silence is directed toward the criminal case, not the civil case, and therefore cannot be understood as an admission of guilt.

And there will be some blah blah blah about how mean Kaine is....

 

[STEADFAST]

first one has been answered, and it is opinion that LE has gained no ground, I assume based on the fact that there is no arrest. Reasonable deductions at this point in time. As for the last I am not sure what you are looking for as it relates to the post in question.
We certainly follow guidelines here, but not so much that we cannot state our speculations based on current events. KWIM?

hth

I agree that it is opinion that LE has gained no ground in the MFH investigation.

Here is the OP, and I've bolded the part that made me question what venue it would be appropriate for LE to have produced the landscaper and the part that seemed to be presented as fact when it was an opinion.

Originally Posted by AnaTeresa
We don't know that - all we know is that LE will not release the information from the 911 call and that Rudy Sanchez was an alias. Given that LE have gained no ground in the alleged murder for hire, it's my opinion that they no longer have contact with him.

Terri can't defend herself against the murder for hire allegations in the civil divorce case unless her lawyers are able to access that information and cross-examine the witness. Otherwise, Kaine can't bring that information in - it's hearsay. Since LE cannot and/or will not produce the landscaper, it's my opinion that he cannot be found.

Generally, in that kind of sentence, the first part is a fact that leads to the opinion in the second part. My only problem with the conclusion in both paragraphs that LE has no contact with or cannot find the landscaper is that the facts that are given as the basis for the opinion were merely opinions themselves.
I just wanted the Rudy Sanchez link since I hadn't heard that information before.

 

[Aedrys]

HI aedrys :hug: It is not like saying that because that is not remotely close to what beane said or what she asked about. What beane was responding to was a statement that there were prior alcohol offenses;criminal offenses to be exact. There were no conclusions drawn, such as you have, just a question.
That aside, your post as a standalone was really well said. thanks.

Thanks, just wanted to say that I wasn't pointing that directly at BeanE. I just used her post as one to jump off of to make a point. I have no problem with what she said, it just made a connection for me to something I wanted to talk about. No offense intended, I promise. And I wish I knew how to do that hugs smiley, lol.

Also, not related to your post, I wonder if Rackner could argue that the divorce case is separate from the criminal investigation? Seems like Houze and Bunch want to get something for nothing because of the ongoing criminal investigation. I'm not saying it should be ignored, but it seems like if you take that away, there's no reason for her to not testify anymore. I guess I'm just wondering if there's any legal way to take that card away from the defense. Maybe I should ask this in the legal thread.

 

[grandmaj]

Well that would be very alarming if Terri didn't know the landscapers name. :waitasec:

 

[STEADFAST]

Well that would be very alarming if Terri didn't know the landscapers name. :waitasec:

On the other hand, it wouldn't be to her advantage to admit she knows the landscaper's name, no matter what evidence LE might have.

 

[Donjeta]

Well, it's attributed to "sources" and the koin link doesn't appear to exist anymore but here is a thread about a venue in which LE appears to have produced the landscaper at: the GJ.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111593

Landscaper testifies at the grand jury
The landscaper in the alleged murder-for-hire plot involving Terri Horman testified before the grand jury, sources told KOIN Local 6.

In a story first reported by The Oregonian, Terri Horman allegedly tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine Horman six to seven months before Kyron Horman disappeared.

KL6 has confirmed investigators used an undercover agent on June 26 in an effort to get Terri to open up about the alleged plot. When the agent and the landscaper arrived at the Horman residence on Northwest Sheltered Nook Road that evening, Terri called 911 to report trespassers on the property, foiling the sting.

Law enforcement has not commented about the sting or whether it resulted in any evidence useful in their investigation.

According to retired Portland Police Capt. C.W. Jensen, the grand jury is looking at this because it paints them a picture of Terri's character.

 

[Aedrys]

Well that would be very alarming if Terri didn't know the landscapers name. :waitasec:

Sadly, I would not be surprised at all if she didn't know his name. As long she could get a rise out of him to do what she wants, she probably didn't care. She probably thinks it's smart to not know his real name.

 

[Pensfan]

FWIW it was Bunch who said the landscaper has an alias. (But then so do I...)


http://www.katu.com/news/104507829.html

Could this mean the name Rudy was a version of Rudolpho or Rudolph or whatever?

Can someone please explain why internet news links disappear? TIA

 

[mmmagique]

what parts do you want a link for? I will be happy to help locate one, if there is one for that which you are questioning.

This: "LE doesn't have enough proof that she did this to even charge her. They attempted to have her incriminate herself by sending a man wearing a wire and she called 911. From what we are privy to, the murder for hire is all speculation from a witness who can no longer be located...

One of our members claims that LE can no longer locate RS. I'd like to see a link if it's not too much trouble. (I don't generally ask for links but when I can't ever remember hearing or reading something so important, I'd like to know where it came from. What am I missing?)

Thanks in advance.

 

[mmmagique]

Sadly, I would not be surprised at all if she didn't know his name. As long she could get a rise out of him to do what she wants, she probably didn't care. She probably thinks it's smart to not know his real name.

Mind, meet gutter. (talking to myself..*lol*) :angel:

 

[mmmagique]

And yet, if she's innocent, she has everything to fear. She's already lost her entire family. Her liberty is now on the line. Her silence is now the only thing that keeps her from being wrongfully prosecuted ....

Or rightfully...

 

[gwenabob]

Mind, meet gutter. (talking to myself..*lol*) :angel:

(Shhh. I saw that too, but I wasn't going to say anything!) :crazy:

 

[BeanE]

Well, it's attributed to "sources" and the koin link doesn't appear to exist anymore but here is a thread about a venue in which LE appears to have produced the landscaper at: the GJ.

You can still pull articles from KOIN through the Google cache:

How to search Google for KOIN articles now that they've done something strange with archiving their stories:

Use this example - I was Googling for an article in which I knew the phrase "talent show" appeared. Copy/paste what I have here, and replace "talent show" with your keyword(s):

site:http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/ "talent show"

After executing your search, go to the linked Google cache of the article, or you will get an error.

 

[Billylee]

BeanE, I cannot thank you enough for the work you have put in on this case! From the get go, you have always been there to help us sort out fact from fiction! Thank you!