2010.07.12 - TH accused of sexual affair

[CaringCitizen]

It makes me think that possibly either the concent TH to check her cell when Kyron went missing at first...might have not had a set "end date" ie they were allowed to monitor all her records, not just from date a-date b...it could also be noted that it would apply to "any phone" she had access to, which at the time she might have thought that it applied say to her cell and the house phone...not any "new" phone she might get....

All good points but the thing to remember is that investigations aren't mostly about consent. Some aspects are - for example, LE cannot force a person to take a polygraph so they do the 'pretty please' thing and create social pressure.

Of course, LE often does ask for permission early on in an investigation as they are sorting through facts and who's who. In Kyron's case for example, asking his family, their neighbors, etc if they could do cursory searches of their homes and yards, or a step further with his 4 parents by asking for polygraphs, etc is likely the type of consent you are referring to. There is social pressure in any case for people to "do the right thing" and eliminate themselves so the investigation can move forward.

BUT the minute LE becomes suspicious of a certain person they don't need consent from that person (but some things require a judge's approval) in order to sleuth them. If you think for example about the cell pings and bank records - those certainly were not obtained due to Terri saying "sure, go ahead". Those were obtained by LE because they had sufficient reason to dig further on this particular person.

LE, with consent from a judge can do all kinds of things to monitor a suspicious person; they can tail them, check records of all sorts, obtain employment data like time-card stamps, bug their homes, obtain video records, etc. This is how a case is built and how LE can finally get to a point of certainty about a perp. Sometimes that certainty leads to 'this can't be the person' and sometimes it leads to 'this has to be the person'.

If it's the latter, one hopes enough evidence can be put together for an arrest and enough after that for the much harder burden of a jury conviction.

Bottom line, Terri does not need to give consent for LE to sleuth her or her cell phone sexting ; the only consent at this point that she could give would be to continue talking to them - which, unfortunately for society and little Kyron, she will not ever do again. :furious:

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[GrainneDhu]

Respectfully snipped.

Uh, men do that. A vulnerable woman, bad marriage for some time, has needed a man's attention for some time. Hey, this is "my chance to get some booty." Sorry, but it happens. Not every man has honorable intentions. I have seen some things, had some things happen to me, and men will try it at any time, especially when you are at your weakest.

A friend of mine was unexpectedly widowed; her husband died in his sleep of a heart attack with absolutely no prior symptoms of heart trouble. He was only 57 years old.

She called me about two weeks after the funeral, completely creeped out. One of their friends, a married man, had made a pass at her that day. Her husband hadn't even been dead for a month! And this guy was married (and had a story about how misunderstood he was, etc). She remembered how he gave her a lonnnngg hug at the wake in front of his wife and how she thought he was trying to comfort her.

I'm not saying that this is what happened with TMH and MC; just that this is possible, gross as it sounds.

 

[tlcya]

My thoughts as I've been reading through this thread are that there's no way in hell that this is a "new" relationship that just started...give me a break, I'm totally convinced that it's been going on for some time. Then, I have a thought...the "sexts" actually contradict that somewhat. They reportedly showed Terri in 'various stages of undress' and other overtly sexual situations, correct? well, that generally indicates a newer relationship, one where those types of photos would still be a tease, be exciting. Before anyone jumps on me, I know that there are plenty of people who "keep the spice alive" and such in a long term relationship by sending a naughty text or two to their significant other now and then, but generally speaking, sexts and teasing pics and the like happen at the beginning stages of a relationship, KWIM? Since it is reported that there are many photos and texts, it says to me that this is a newer, still exciting, relationship. It totally contradicts my gut instinct of there being no way that this could have just started within the last couple of weeks (who does that?!), but just thought I'd throw that observation out there.

I had that same thought but realized it could make perfect sense. You are having an affair. then you must stop seeing your lover because of SERIOUS SCRUTINY by LE, the public, your spouse, the press, the baker, the grocer, the candlestick maker. So suddenly the only way to get the thrill of your affair is via sexting like a horny little teen. That coupled with the high risk/stress of the current situation could have taken things to a whole new level of stupid.

 

[GingerRed]

I had that same thought but realized it could make perfect sense. You are having an affair. then you must stop seeing your lover because of SERIOUS SCRUTINY by LE, the public, your spouse, the press, the baker, the grocer, the candlestick maker. So suddenly the only way to get the thrill of your affair is via sexting like a horny little teen. That coupled with the high risk/stress of the current situation could have taken things to a whole new level of stupid.

(BBM)

That's an angle on this I can buy. You really nailed it at the end--excellent.

 

[Mylou]

Wasn't he ever concerned about the alleged MFH ?

 

[debirlfan]

And as to the thought of MC having access to her phone and possibly planting those texts and images himself, all I can say is to quote my favorite current SNL skit: "Really?"

You know - you're right. But when I suggested it, I never considered the possibility that the texts and photos might have come from a new cell phone.

As soon as that was mentioned - it occurred to me... who could logically have naked photos of TH, a motive for making her look bad, and the ability to get a phone in her name? Oddly, someone who also has a copy of the RO - and is friends with MC.

If TH denies sending the photos, who's going to believe her?

I'm not saying TH is innocent of everything, but this whole texting thing doesn't make sense - and as Judge Judy likes to say, if it doesn't make sense....

 

[tlcya]

It is entirely possible that Kaine or LE for that matter has installed spyware on Terri's phone and computer and is monitoring every word.

 

[GrainneDhu]

The idea of a LE sting would at least in some twisted way make sense of this whole thing. However, the fact that MC did something obviously illegal by taking photos of the sealed papers and telling two other people what was in them, plus the fact that he is now seeking his own legal counsel about those actions, tends to contradict the idea that this was a set up plot against TH. Add to that the issue of googling the address on his own phone rather than leading TH to do it herself on her phone or computer, would mean he was a rather incompetent UC plant, as the first goal would have been to get her to do that herself as an illegal act.

jmo

I admit that googling KH's address was suspicious but would it have been illegal for TMH to do so?

I could see an argument that she needed to know exactly where it was she was supposed to avoid going.

It really looks bad but does it rise to the level of illegality?

 

[ami]

Looking up Kaines new address on Google maps, and asking MC to lie to her own attorney......why would he do that?? There must be a motive for this, yet I can't figure it out...He denies having any sexual activity with TH, yet he was infatuated enough to go this far?? Something is missing here, and I want to know what it is...

I'm wondering if it wasn't a sort of 'knight in shining armor' thing for MC. You know, he comes in to help with the Kyron search and there's the stepmother, heartbroken and crying, perhaps with a story about her heartless husband and bad marriage, she could have been "misunderstood and falsely accused", MC can feel like a hero for stepping up and believing in her, "don't tell anyone... it could be misunderstood..." and that sort of thing. I can see kind of how it could fly if the guy was a bit of a doormat.

 

[Mylou]

Wierd all around , who would have known he even seen the RO without a photo of it?

 

[GrainneDhu]

I misunderstood one part. I thought it was Kaine who "told 2 other people", and assumed it was DY and TY he told.

Now I hear its the sexting guy who took the pic and then told 2 other people. hmmm...thats weird. What 2 people did he tell? Two thugs who might do harm to Kaine and take baby K? His parents? Two friends? Who he told is a big factor in this, IMO. Wish we knew who those 2 people were.

Consider that at least two media sources released articles about what was in the RO, attributed to "unnamed sources."

I think it is most likely, Occam and all, that the other two people were reporters.

 

[tlcya]

It is interesting that there is a photo of the RO on his phone. Why did he or Terri need to photograph it? Terri has a copy and she could easily text, read word for word or phsyically show it to him. What was the point of photographing it?

I agree with the poster who referenced Judge Judy - if it don't make sense it probably isn't true.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

This isn't about sex. This wasn't an affair. This is about a woman needing someone to help her and the only way she knows how to get a man to help her is to use sex.

I think this is how it went down:

Kaine and Baby K move out, Kaine gets restraining order.

Terri, seeing no way she can do ANYTHING without LE pouncing on her, knows she needs an accomplice, someone who can do her bidding without being tailed, without having their vehicle followed. She wants Baby K back. Perhaps she has unfinished business with her removal of Kyron. She needs a man to do as he is asked (and I don't mean sex).

Perhaps she remembers Mr. Cook commenting on her beautiful red hair and how much he likes redheads. So maybe she gives him a ringy-dingy: "Can you please help me, Mike? I cannot leave my house without paparazzi all over me and I need a quart of milk. Kaine left me with Baby K and I am a mess."

Mike to the rescue.

Unfortunately, Mike probably fell for it hook, line and sinker. And then he was hanging around Terri a little too much for LE's liking.

So then he was investigated.

And it all fell apart.

That's what I think happened. No, I do not think they knew each other before June 4th. No, I do not think they were having an affair, at least not in Terri's eyes. She needed him for other things and sex was just the lure.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

It is interesting that there is a photo of the RO on his phone. Why did he or Terri need to photograph it? Terri has a copy and she could easily text, read word for word or phsyically show it to him. What was the point of photographing it?

I agree with the poster who referenced Judge Judy - if it don't make sense it probably isn't true.

For a scandal book later...?

MOO

 

[Quiche]

Was this MC dude at the science fair? :waitasec: Does he have any ties to SI?

 

[ElizaAvalon]

It is interesting that there is a photo of the RO on his phone. Why did he or Terri need to photograph it? Terri has a copy and she could easily text, read word for word or phsyically show it to him. What was the point of photographing it?

I agree with the poster who referenced Judge Judy - if it don't make sense it probably isn't true.

Mr. Avalon does this all the time. He'll take a photo with his cellphone of an address, a phone number, you name it, so that he doesn't have to type it.

Coupled with the google map of the address, I can only surmise that Terri was trying to get Mike to stalk the house for her.

 

[sneezy]

I wonder if Kyron saw or heard something between MC and TH.

or between TH and any man?

could it be that Kyron heard/saw something and while they were out that morning he asked a question that lead TH to believe he might be privy to something....and when she said, oh you never mind...he said "I'll ask dad when I get home"

TH panicked and did something to prevent that?

 

[SleuthyMama]

Does anyone know if MC was the guy in the pickup truck who was taking food and other supplies to Terri when the media were camped out at the house? (before Kaine left with the baby).

What is a bat phone?

A bat phone is a throwaway phone...one that someone would hope could not be traced.

 

[adh74]

Yeah, something here just doesn't pass the smell test. Why would he have gone over to the house in the first place, and if they were hiding KH and the baby from TH, then why would her copy of the papers have had their address on them - wouldn't it have been blacked out? The way I see it, we only have MC's word that it was TH's copy of the RO that he saw/photographed.

I also find this whole "affair" a little odd, too. Of course, if someone else got ahold of TH's cell phone, they could have sent anything to anybody with it...

The "sexting" included pics of TH un various forms of undress. Don't think that was done without her knowledge and participation.

 

[Deleted member 718]

You know - you're right. But when I suggested it, I never considered the possibility that the texts and photos might have come from a new cell phone.

As soon as that was mentioned - it occurred to me... who could logically have naked photos of TH, a motive for making her look bad, and the ability to get a phone in her name? Oddly, someone who also has a copy of the RO - and is friends with MC.

If TH denies sending the photos, who's going to believe her?

I'm not saying TH is innocent of everything, but this whole texting thing doesn't make sense - and as Judge Judy likes to say, if it doesn't make sense....

I so agree. With hundreds of texts and pix, it almost sounds like a packet or file was sent over Terri's phone.