2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

[Mysteeri]

I think he has no choice. I think he will remain silent (publicly).
I think that even if he came out strongly, and PUBLICLY denied alllllll the accusations by KC ... it is too late .... the Defense steam roller is already in motion and headed straight for him. Whatever he says now, probably will not negate the heavy accusations the Defense is going to present to the jury, against George.

I wonder if the defense is mainly trying to discredit George`s statement about the death smell, because he has an unstable mind or something? I believe George would go with that. In the last hearing the defense was trying to prove that Cindy`s statement about the smell was based on George`s opinion.

 

[LambChop]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069066.pdf
page 4

"...And I also know how it feels to be sexually abused. It's taken a long time for me to forgive and I've been somewhat successful in doing so. The worst part is, when I tried to confide in someone before - Jesse, my Mom, they turned on me. I was to blame for my own brother walking into my room at night and feeling my breasts while I slept. I woke up night after night with my sports bra lifted up over my chest or if I had on a regular bra it would be unhooked. Even if I was doing karate in my sleep, that wouldn't have happened. I woke up many times to a flashlight on my face and he would be sitting on my floor, in front of the bed staring at me. This went on for over 3 years before I finally stood up to Lee and told him if he ever came in my room again, I'd kill him. I was 15. It started just before I turned 12. When I told my Mom about it two years ago, she made excuses, saying that he was sleep walking. Not only did she say I was lying, but when I explained everything her reaction was literally like a knife in my chest - "So that's why you're a !!" I don't think having had sex with 7 or 1 people makes me a , but I could be wrong. Over the past few months, I've been having really vivid dreams, and it's obvious that they are dreams of things that have already happened. I think my Dad used to do the same thing to me but when I was much younger. I can see him in my room, exactly the way it was when I was in elementary school, and everything gets fuzzy. But I wake up feeling both sore and sick to my stomach, the way I used to feel growing up. That's part of the reason I haven't been sleeping much or very well lately. Maybe that's part of the reason why I have so much anxiety with my parents. I was able to get passed things with Lee, and it was far from easy. I saw a doctor on my own when I was 18, no one knows that. I went to get help except for you now. I found the courage to finally tell him that I forgive him, and you know he never asked me what I was forgiving him for. I think he must have known that's why we're more friends than brother and sister. It's easier to look to him as my friend, but even with openly forgiving him, part of that pain will always live in me. Not knowing about my dad, it's opened up a whole new case of insecurity and I don't know if I want to know but I think I need to. Please pray for me."

BBM: Okay, now there is a lie. We all know what type of person Jesse is and he never indicated in his testimony that he turned his back on her, called her a liar or did anything negative regarding what KC told him. It was KC who turned on Jesse...... Why??? Because he loved Caylee more than her. Sick, sick puppy, if you ask me. jmo

 

[ThinkTank]

Originally Posted by ThinkTank
I think he has no choice. I think he will remain silent (publicly).
I think that even if he came out strongly, and PUBLICLY denied alllllll the accusations by KC ... it is too late .... the Defense steam roller is already in motion and headed straight for him. Whatever he says now, probably will not negate the heavy accusations the Defense is going to present to the jury, against George.

I wonder if the defense is mainly trying to discredit George`s statement about the death smell, because he has an unstable mind or something? I believe George would go with that. In the last hearing the defense was trying to prove that Cindy`s statement about the smell was based on George`s opinion.

If all the defense wanted to do was discredit George based on mental instability due to a suicide attempt ... all they have to do is enter his suicide letter into evidence, and enter all the evidence that this actually did take place -- there is no need to spend thousands on a private investigator to seriously DIG into George's suicide attempt. I believe they want this information for more than simply to discredit George's previous testimony in the case. I believe they want to create reasonable doubt for the jury with George as a possible murderer.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Respectfully BBM

I don't think the defense is done with Cindy yet. I think they'll still come around and try and pin it on her in some way at some point. Cindy is the reason Casey felt she ran out of options, the reason Casey felt like an unfit mom, the reason Casey had no other choice. If it were up to Casey she would have given Caylee away at birth. She wouldn't have felt so much pressure, she was pushed too far. - I hate to think that this will be where the defense goes, but at this point it's clear that everyone else is to blame. Casey is the real victim - Caylee was just a casualty. :furious:

I think they'll go through George. And when nothing comes of that, Lee is next on deck - and eventually it will be Cindy who is in the line of fire. JMHO.

Cindy would be the only one that would be believable as the causation of all this, when the Jury sees her as she really is, not the new sanitized version.

 

[ZsaZsa]

BBM: Okay, now there is a lie. We all know what type of person Jesse is and he never indicated in his testimony that he turned his back on her, called her a liar or did anything negative regarding what KC told him. It was KC who turned on Jesse...... Why??? Because he loved Caylee more than her. Sick, sick puppy, if you ask me. jmo

Jesse knows her pretty well and he did call her a Diabolical Liar.

 

[LeLe1953]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069066.pdf
page 4

"...And I also know how it feels to be sexually abused. It's taken a long time for me to forgive and I've been somewhat successful in doing so. The worst part is, when I tried to confide in someone before - Jesse, my Mom, they turned on me. I was to blame for my own brother walking into my room at night and feeling my breasts while I slept. I woke up night after night with my sports bra lifted up over my chest or if I had on a regular bra it would be unhooked. Even if I was doing karate in my sleep, that wouldn't have happened. I woke up many times to a flashlight on my face and he would be sitting on my floor, in front of the bed staring at me. This went on for over 3 years before I finally stood up to Lee and told him if he ever came in my room again, I'd kill him. I was 15. It started just before I turned 12. When I told my Mom about it two years ago, she made excuses, saying that he was sleep walking. Not only did she say I was lying, but when I explained everything her reaction was literally like a knife in my chest - "So that's why you're a !!" I don't think having had sex with 7 or 1 people makes me a , but I could be wrong. Over the past few months, I've been having really vivid dreams, and it's obvious that they are dreams of things that have already happened. I think my Dad used to do the same thing to me but when I was much younger. I can see him in my room, exactly the way it was when I was in elementary school, and everything gets fuzzy. But I wake up feeling both sore and sick to my stomach, the way I used to feel growing up. That's part of the reason I haven't been sleeping much or very well lately. Maybe that's part of the reason why I have so much anxiety with my parents. I was able to get passed things with Lee, and it was far from easy. I saw a doctor on my own when I was 18, no one knows that. I went to get help except for you now. I found the courage to finally tell him that I forgive him, and you know he never asked me what I was forgiving him for. I think he must have known that's why we're more friends than brother and sister. It's easier to look to him as my friend, but even with openly forgiving him, part of that pain will always live in me. Not knowing about my dad, it's opened up a whole new case of insecurity and I don't know if I want to know but I think I need to. Please pray for me."

Thank you for finding this information. If it is true that KC sought out help on her own at 18, I would think Baez would call the person who treated her. How did she pay for it? If she was working at the time & had insurance, I would think the state could at least find out the name of the doctor or clinic she used.
I also think Cindy will deny EVER telling KC she was a & being told Lee was abusing her.
The oddest of all is I don't know of anyone who sleeps in a bra except my daughter when pregnant or nursing. Why would she sleep in a bra? Was she even wearing a bra at age 12? Some girls might need one but others could get by with a cami under the clothes.

 

[ZsaZsa]

"And since KC had already told Cindy about the abuse once and Cindy blamed her and didn't help"

Oh, wow, I think I missed this! When did Casey say that she had told Cindy about the abuse?

Here's what I remember:
1) Jesse said that Casey had told him that Lee had either molested her or that he
had said to her that he wanted to have sex with her.

2.) Tony Lazarro said she told him the molestation story?

3.) She told of molestation by brother and maybe father in letters to another jail inmate.

Could those of you who have a better memory please help clarify this for me?

Thanks!

Casey says in one of her jail letters - When I told my Mom about the abuse (Lee) she didn't believe me, but said - " Is that what made you a ?"

 

[Omachka]

Baez: Suicide Threats May Help Jury Spare Casey's Life

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/24321817/detail.html

Thanks for posting this article. OMG I can't believe JB. Just when I think he's the worst attorney in the state, he sinks lower. How then will he explain the cruise, the weight lifting to get as buff as he's now looking, the earrings, the nice tan? Ummm, no I won't buy any pigs in pokes today. :snooty:

 

[Omachka]

I am absolutely not surprised. This is actually less appalling than most of Baez's schemes. I do, however, think this "investigation" into George will quietly disappear before anything comes of it. It's another example of the defense grasping at straws. IMO. Only making them look like bigger fools.

PS - Long time lurker, first time poster: Thanks everyone for making this such an interesting and informative place to come!

Welcome out of lurkdom, UESwifey. I'm glad you joined in and hope you will keep on posting. I think you are absolutely right that this will just disappear. They are looking into something that isn't a real attempt at suicide but just a cry for help. This is a very thin straw they are grasping at IMO.

 

[USARDOG]

What happened to Zanny ?

Watch out George, the bus is shifting gears .....

Could be... Entering the name George into a secret code, yields the name... Zanny!! You heard it here first! :banghead:

Of course... Entering ANY name into that same code yields the name... Zanny, but who's counting?

 

[ThinkTank]

Welcome out of lurkdom, UESwifey. I'm glad you joined in and hope you will keep on posting. I think you are absolutely right that this will just disappear. They are looking into something that isn't a real attempt at suicide but just a cry for help. This is a very thin straw they are grasping at IMO.

I see what you are saying .... I just wouldn't underestimate the Defense's ability to spin an event into something that might look like reasonable doubt to a jury. The Defense may be able to convince a jury that George attempted suicide out of shame for whatever the Defense will say (or imply) that George did to Caylee. I don't see this going away any time soon -- I believe the machine is in motion and it is full speed ahead! I believe they have been working on implicating George for some time, and the only reason the public found out about the defense investigator seriously digging into George's suicide is because the P.I. had to submit his bill for services to JAC to get paid.

 

[LambChop]

Plus what motive would GA have??? This child was the ONLY ONE IN THE FAMILY that showed him some respect. jmo

 

[USARDOG]

So what? The defense is "investigating"? You mean Jose and his punks? This is no where in the same league as being investigated by actual real sworn by law police detectives. Which, btw...have NOT investigated GA....ho hum....

I think your on to something here, "investigate" in JB speak I believe, involves a very expensive restaurant and a very large bill.

 

[Omachka]

I agree, maybe not right away - maybe he was hurt and angry and he didn't know why she accused him and Lee of such terrible things and then ENTERS CA to explain it all is part of helping her. They agreed to let it go together as a family as the hand.

I respectfully disagree. I don't understand why they needed a PI to investigate. If it's agreed to among the family wouldn't GA just get up on the stand and testify for them about his "suicide" attempt? Then it would have been a surprise instead of having the bill for the investigation be found by the press and having their whole plan exposed to the SA's office now.

 

[ThinkTank]

Plus what motive would GA have??? This child was the ONLY ONE IN THE FAMILY that showed him some respect. jmo

I can envision the Defense coming up with possible motive(s).... such as George having a sexually deviant mindset ..... or being caught in an act that Caylee would tell someone about ..... or having KC threaten to tell on him .... these are just examples of what I believe the Defense "could" conjure up for motive (NOT anything that I believe ever happened).

 

[100%Agave]

Frankly, I think that the Lee molestation story was just that a story that made KC a much more sympathetic character to her friends. She used it as an excuse when things weren't going her way or moving as fast as she liked or maybe even as a reason why she needed to leave home. Could it have happened? Possibly or it could have been something harmless that she embellished to get LA in trouble way back when or it could be just another lie by a person with an obvious personality disorder.

As for the GA story that came out in the mails, I think that she has been reading too much. Wonder if some of the stories about recovered memories is on her reading list? Since I believe that it has been proven that recovered memories of child abuse were largely suggested by the phsychiatrist (sp?), the GA accusation is most likely BS. The letter sounds like she is responding to a statement by the other person, possibly in a previous letter, about being abused. If her new friend was abused then so must KC be. Heck, with KC, she could have simply woke up pizzed at GA that morning and figured, I'll show him.

Not that I don't think that GA and LA are really weird characters that I probably wouldn't leave my kids alone with, but I doubt KC's stories in this case. Too many lies have been told for her to all of a sudden tell a real truth.

If they can come up with real proof that she was molested then I will truly feel sorry for her that this happened to her but that will still not excuse her for what she did to Caylee. She could have simply gotten a job and moved away with Caylee to protect her from some deviant family members, so the I killed Caylee to save her won't wash with me at all. She could have grown up, gotten a job, and taken Caylee and moved out. Instead she was constantly looking for CA and GA to babysit for her while she played fast and loose at the clubs.

To me, her actions put the lie to the stories. A concerned mother, who had been abused herself would never leave her child in the same situation.

 

[nort]

same motive as Casey has Caylee was starting to talk..

 

[essies]

Originally Posted by ThinkTank

If all the defense wanted to do was discredit George based on mental instability due to a suicide attempt ... all they have to do is enter his suicide letter into evidence, and enter all the evidence that this actually did take place -- there is no need to spend thousands on a private investigator to seriously DIG into George's suicide attempt. I believe they want this information for more than simply to discredit George's previous testimony in the case. I believe they want to create reasonable doubt for the jury with George as a possible murderer.

ITA TT!! Oh my - how deep will this rabbit hole go?

"Indeed. The irony is rich" in that the very people George so shamefully disparaged to the media-might be the very ones to save his

from whatever fate the defense and "beautiful" have up their sleeve for him!
George-You"ve been part of the inner circle and you know how it works! You better follow MN right out of that nest of

before you're the next victim!! IMO

 

[impatientredhead]

I can envision the Defense coming up with possible motive(s).... such as George having a sexually deviant mindset ..... or being caught in an act that Caylee would tell someone about ..... or having KC threaten to tell on him .... these are just examples of what I believe the Defense "could" conjure up for motive (NOT anything that I believe ever happened).

I would go with:

Casey sexually assaulted by her father her entire childhood.
Cindy fails to protect or act, she is betrayed by her mother.
She catches George red handed assaulting Caylee.

Casey has a break with reality, overwhelmed by her own abuse and now the abuse of her child. In her warped view it would be better to be dead than grow up an incest victim (her own belief), and in her delusional state she thinks she is doing what Cindy didn't do and she is protecting her daughter.

Wrap up the ugly coping and the invisible nanny in a neat little bow that says she was clearly out of her mind, and no rational thinking person would do or say these things. George's suicide attempt and affair, as well as Cindy's inability to acknowledge her daughters probable guilt both speak to their culpability.

It won't work, but it would be a grasp at a the jury finding her guilty of something other than capital murder.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Does anyone think that GA would gladly take the fall for his daughter, KC and go along with all these accusations? Just curious.....

Oh I DO, and said so up thread....JMO