2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

[Cat13067]

CA and GA are beyond belief. I cannot imagine my husband going off 'to work' every day and evening, disappearing and not knowing where he was/what he was doing, and where the pay check was- and then saying nothing? :innocent:

CA wouldn't say anything, because it would ruin that 8 x 10 glossy of her family that she displays for the media.

 

[affinity]

I believe you're right. George did not approve of Baez and his advice to Casey. George was trying to tell Casey that she is in charge of her legal defense, that she could follow her attorney's advice or she could decide not to follow it. I think he was trying to tell her that her wishes concerning her defense prevails over her attorney's wishes (despite the fact that it might not be too smart). If that is the case, George was right (although I hate to admit an Anthony is right on anything).

what struck me when George was talking to KC and she was talking to him...was how they obviously did not know eachother AT ALL. They spoke to eachother sort of like courteous acquaintances. I know that they knew the camera was on them...but still, if they did know eachother there would have been less sub-par acting. George & KC have been at odds with one another for a long time. I bet the problems between them contributed to the separation that George & CA had prior to Caylee going "missing". George & KC have had a lot of troubles and it was only getting worse, what with him chasing her in his car, etc. From what I can see about George, even though he comes across as weak--he also has a huge temper. He's one of those types who builds up resentment and then has meltdowns. KC and George have been bitter enemies. (IMO)

 

[LambChop]

With some of the conversations from this family it appears CA, KC and LA had an organized resentment against GA. Sort of "ganged up" on him alot. GA was the outcast in his own family. So even though everything is bad now it is bringing GA back into the fold of the family and in a sad way he probably finds some strength from this.

Funny how CA notices right away that something is amiss with GA not working but never saw it in KC in almost three years. jmo

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

http://www.wftv.com/video/24283718/index.html

You raise reasonable doubt that someone else did it but the defense runs the risk of ruining their credibility...if it's not followed through and the SODDI theory floats around, you raise reasonable doubt which can lead to an acquittal...I do have faith in the SA's to follow this with cross examinations quashing the attempt for reasonable doubt...JMHO

Boy, do I hope that BS is totally wrong on this one...around the 10 minute mark...


Justice for Caylee

 

[Marshmallow]

With some of the conversations from this family it appears CA, KC and LA had an organized resentment against GA. Sort of "ganged up" on him alot. GA was the outcast in his own family. So even though everything is bad now it is bringing GA back into the fold of the family and in a sad way he probably finds some strength from this.

Funny how CA notices right away that something is amiss with GA not working but never saw it in KC in almost three years. jmo

George was the family's hacky-sack. When he was out of favor and they were seperated she encouraged both children to ridicule him and laugh at him, she encouraged them to disrespect him and then she allowed him back into the house and the lack of respect was already there. She seemed to utilize that approach with all. If they toe the line, they're golden but if they step out of Cindy's game plan they are the focus of her wrath and her vile tongue. Look what she did with Casey. Defended her outside the house, attack her within. Ryan got a good dose of mad-cindy, she warned him away from Casey. Amy got a taste too. No wonder Lee is a mess of a malformed man. He probably was a good little yes boy because he feared the wrath on Cindy and I think Cindy favored Casey, she wanted Casey to be the popular party girl she probably wasn't and when Casey screwed up, Cindy lied through her teeth to cover for her. But in the house I bet Cindy was vicious and a verbal tyrant. Casey learned early on how to play her and be the princess aka tyrant in training, Lee never learned and that neutered him, and George once a stallion was gelded in Ohio and hasn't been a show horse since. Not that he was a Clydesdale to start with.

 

[Cat13067]

George was the family's hacky-sack. When he was out of favor and they were seperated she encouraged both children to ridicule him and laugh at him, she encouraged them to disrespect him and then she allowed him back into the house and the lack of respect was already there. She seemed to utilize that approach with all. If they toe the line, they're golden but if they step out of Cindy's game plan they are the focus of her wrath and her vile tongue. Look what she did with Casey. Defended her outside the house, attack her within. Ryan got a good dose of mad-cindy, she warned him away from Casey. Amy got a taste too. No wonder Lee is a mess of a malformed man. He probably was a good little yes boy because he feared the wrath on Cindy and I think Cindy favored Casey, she wanted Casey to be the popular party girl she probably wasn't and when Casey screwed up, Cindy lied through her teeth to cover for her. But in the house I bet Cindy was vicious and a verbal tyrant. Casey learned early on how to play her and be the princess aka tyrant in training, Lee never learned and that neutered him, and George once a stallion was gelded in Ohio and hasn't been a show horse since. Not that he was a Clydesdale to start with.

You just gave a perfect example to me as to why I do not believe the molestation charges KC made against GA, and LA. KC would have broke her azz to tell her mother if either one of those two laid a hand on her. JMO

 

[strawberry]

From the other thread about visitors and phone calls, the Caylee Daily has a new visitors log.

http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/2010/07/mental-illness-doctor-visits-casey-anthony-in-jail/

On Friday, JB brought this man:

http://www.cps.nova.edu/~gold/index.htm

 

[sleutherontheside]

Can you hear it...........vroom......vroom.......?

 

[Steely Dan]

From the other thread about visitors and phone calls, the Caylee Daily has a new visitors log.

http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/2010/07/mental-illness-doctor-visits-casey-anthony-in-jail/

On Friday, JB brought this man:

http://www.cps.nova.edu/~gold/index.htm

From the second link;

Dr. Gold specializes in research, treatment of and training in psychological trauma and trauma-related disorders, dissociation, hypnosis, and sexual addiction-compulsivity. He has written many articles for professional journals and chapters in edited volumes and presented on these topics at national and international professional conferences. He is the author of Not Trauma Alone: Therapy for Child Abuse Survivors in Family and Social Context, co-editor of the books Trauma Practice in the Wake of September 11, 2001 and Trauma and Serious Mental Illness, and was guest editor of a special issue of the APA Division of Psychotherapy journal Psychotherapy: Theory, Research, Practice, Training on trauma-related disorders and treatment.


BBM

Well I guess that answers that then. :shakehead:

While I believe it's possible KC was abused, I question why this line of investigation has taken so long to come about.

 

[The World According]

From the other thread about visitors and phone calls, the Caylee Daily has a new visitors log.

http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/2010/07/mental-illness-doctor-visits-casey-anthony-in-jail/

On Friday, JB brought this man:

http://www.cps.nova.edu/~gold/index.htm

WOW, check it out : "Dr. Gold specializes in research, treatment of and training in psychological trauma and trauma-related disorders, dissociation, hypnosis, and sexual addiction-compulsivity. He has written many articles for professional journals and chapters in edited volumes and presented on these topics at national and international professional conferences. He is the author of Not Trauma Alone: Therapy for Child Abuse Survivors in Family and Social Context".

Just as we expected, now that Lee's testimony is behind us, they are going to go full force with exploring her being abused by him and George. This is precisely the kind of expert that the defense didn't want Lee and George learning of. I wonder if all this preparation for the penalty phase has helped Casey be resigned to her fate. I wonder how much of what her father told LE and the Federal Agents Casey has watched or read the transcripts of.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=93AE26DF7D1240EB"]YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD_inSYxdok[/ame]

 

[strawberry]

From the second link;

Dr. Gold specializes in research, treatment of and training in psychological trauma and trauma-related disorders, dissociation, hypnosis, and sexual addiction-compulsivity. He has written many articles for professional journals and chapters in edited volumes and presented on these topics at national and international professional conferences. He is the author of Not Trauma Alone: Therapy for Child Abuse Survivors in Family and Social Context, co-editor of the books Trauma Practice in the Wake of September 11, 2001 and Trauma and Serious Mental Illness, and was guest editor of a special issue of the APA Division of Psychotherapy journal Psychotherapy: Theory, Research, Practice, Training on trauma-related disorders and treatment.



Well I guess that answers that then. :shakehead:

While I believe it's possible KC was abused, I question why this line of investigation has taken so long to come about.

BBM Dissociative disorder includes what used to be called Multiple Personality, which is supposedly caused by trauma. Dr. Gold is the Director of the Trauma Resolution Integration Program. "Integration" is the process used to put all parts of the personality together. As I said in the other thread, this guy seems to be the reason for the "keeping the visitor's log secret" motion.

 

[strawberry]

Thanks to Nums24 for the visitor log link that Sun first mentioned!

 

[logicalgirl]

I see we've got the good Doctor thread going on in two places.

It looks like Dr. Gold visited ICA for three hours on Friday, then had a meeting with Baez.

On Saturday. both Baez and CM spent almost an hour and a half with ICA - together.

I know we're all speculating that for sure now the bus is heading for George, with Lee already stuck to it's undercarriage, but I'm still thinking hmmmm.

Does it really take an hour and a half for JB and CM to say to ICA - "okay, the Doc has confirmed your molestation charges against George and Lee. He believes you. So we are definitely moving our defense over to this angle, as you've instructed."

?????????:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

Did that really take an hour an a half? Or did JB and CM come in full force to say - "okay ICA, time to cut the c**p, Dr. Gold says you are full of balarney and your molestation charges aren't going to fly. So it's time for you to change your plea, cause we've got nothing for a defense."

I'm leaning more towards the second scenario, at least until we get some more information.....:angel:

 

[essies]

From Dr. Gold's website-

http://www.cps.nova.edu/~gold/index.htm
snip
About Contextual Therapy

Contextual therapy is the model of treatment for survivors of prolonged child abuse (PCA) developed at the Trauma Resolution and Integration Program at Nova Southeastern University's Community Mental Health Center. This therapeutic approach is grounded in the observation that in addition to the overt incidents of abuse they are subjected to, PCA survivors often grow up in an interpersonal context that fails to teach them the abilities needed for effective daily functioning. Contextual therapy addresses the damaging effects of abuse as one component of a broader framework aimed at helping survivors develop adaptive capacities that, rather than having been disrupted by abuse trauma, may have never been established in the first place. From this perspective abuse trauma is seen as compounding these deficits, rather than as being the sole cause of them

I don't think it's just George going down-I think KC is going after Cindy as well! Didn't she write after telling mom about the abuse from LA Cindy said something like "is that why you're a ?" JB may just turn on Cindy and say-it's your fault too cause you never got her help and just compounded the problem!!:waitasec:

 

[strawberry]

From Dr. Gold's website-

http://www.cps.nova.edu/~gold/index.htm
snip
About Contextual Therapy

Contextual therapy is the model of treatment for survivors of prolonged child abuse (PCA) developed at the Trauma Resolution and Integration Program at Nova Southeastern University's Community Mental Health Center. This therapeutic approach is grounded in the observation that in addition to the overt incidents of abuse they are subjected to, PCA survivors often grow up in an interpersonal context that fails to teach them the abilities needed for effective daily functioning. Contextual therapy addresses the damaging effects of abuse as one component of a broader framework aimed at helping survivors develop adaptive capacities that, rather than having been disrupted by abuse trauma, may have never been established in the first place. From this perspective abuse trauma is seen as compounding these deficits, rather than as being the sole cause of them

I don't think it's just George going down-I think KC is going after Cindy as well! Didn't she write after telling mom about the abuse from LA Cindy said something like "is that why you're a ?" JB may just turn on Cindy and say-it's your fault too cause you never got her help and just compounded the problem!!:waitasec:

Oh, yeah they're all going down...this sounds like it's talking about family dynamics such as passive agression, etc..that it's saying that child abuse is bad enough but is compounded in an environment of mixed up dynamics, which we know is the case (the dynamics) with the A's.

 

[The World According]

From Dr. Gold's website-

http://www.cps.nova.edu/~gold/index.htm
snip
About Contextual Therapy

Contextual therapy is the model of treatment for survivors of prolonged child abuse (PCA) developed at the Trauma Resolution and Integration Program at Nova Southeastern University's Community Mental Health Center. This therapeutic approach is grounded in the observation that in addition to the overt incidents of abuse they are subjected to, PCA survivors often grow up in an interpersonal context that fails to teach them the abilities needed for effective daily functioning. Contextual therapy addresses the damaging effects of abuse as one component of a broader framework aimed at helping survivors develop adaptive capacities that, rather than having been disrupted by abuse trauma, may have never been established in the first place. From this perspective abuse trauma is seen as compounding these deficits, rather than as being the sole cause of them

I don't think it's just George going down-I think KC is going after Cindy as well! Didn't she write after telling mom about the abuse from LA Cindy said something like "is that why you're a ?" JB may just turn on Cindy and say-it's your fault too cause you never got her help and just compounded the problem!!:waitasec:

You have got that right Essies, it is an all out scorched earth policy, there will be NO mercy shown to mom, pop or brother. Those looks that would kill she was glaring at them in the recent hearing tells you she is in big with the idea of slamming the three of them. No question.

Grandma Shirley summed things up very simply....Caylee may be dead because Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee.

 

[marspiter]

I'm sorry after reading about this Dr. Gold being brought in I just can't help but find LA's I love you statement at the hearing even more....ironic, entertaining, interesting. It just drums up a whole plethora of adverbs (or is that adjectives?).

Personally myself I think the only amount of abuse that ICA experienced was from CA in the form of mental and emotional abuse. Not to mention CA's skewed view of morality and how that might have effected ICA's development. ICA is a product of her interaction with her mother, not of sexual abuse at the hands of her father and brother.

In that family dynamic CA is clearly at the helm and GA/LA are nothing more then the deck hands of the USS Anthony. ICA has shown her aptitude for spinning tales in an effort to divert punishment (a skill I'm sure she learned from her mother).

 

[ThinkTank]

Thanks to Nums24 for the visitor log link that Sun first mentioned!

THANK YOU Nums for alllllllllllllllllll you do for us here at WS!!!!

Nums provided this link to all of the visitor logs.

http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/anthony-official-visits-as-of-7-26-101.pdf

 

[essies]

You have got that right Essies, it is an all out scorched earth policy, there will be NO mercy shown to mom, pop or brother. Those looks that would kill she was glaring at them in the recent hearing tells you she is in big with the idea of slamming the three of them. No question.

Grandma Shirley summed things up very simply....Caylee may be dead because Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee.

ITA All the pieces fall into place-
KC-"Don't worry I haven't said anything"
GA-"I wish I had been a better father"
LA-"CMA!! I haven't forgot the promise I made to you"
CA-"I didn't yell, because I respect my daughter"
OH there are sooo many more now that I think of them in this context! Maybe we need a thread devoted to quotes?:waitasec:
IMO The Anthony's are scared to death of KC and have been sucking up to her out of fear for their own behinds and not out of love for her! Caylee is not going to be the last victim of Casey Anthony. But, she's the only victim of ICA that I care about!!
IMO the Anthonys are going to be victims of ICA and KARMA!!:furious:

 

[Solace]

You have got that right Essies, it is an all out scorched earth policy, there will be NO mercy shown to mom, pop or brother. Those looks that would kill she was glaring at them in the recent hearing tells you she is in big with the idea of slamming the three of them. No question.

Grandma Shirley summed things up very simply....Caylee may be dead because Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee.

It is going to be interesting to watch Cindy on the stand as Drane-Burdick questions her on the content of Casey's letter regarding her calling Casey a "". Cindy is going to have to answer that question or she could lie and say I don't believe Casey wrote that, just as she says she believes Caylee is still alive.

George if not careful will explode on the stand.

Just my opinion, but I don't think there was any sexual abuse. If you read the interview of Sean Kraus, he says Cindy admitted Casey was a sociopath and that she was involved some way in the "disappearance" and that the only way to handle a sociopath is with kid gloves and try to get as much information as possible and that is what she was doing in her calls - which were horrendous to listen to.

Casey, when she wanted to move in with Jesse (which plan Richard Grund nixed because they were not married) said Lee was or had been sexually abusing her.

I think (my opinion only) that when Casey wants something, in the above case to move out of the house and have someone take care of her, she uses whatever means possible - this time - she was being sexually abused. When she saw that Jesse could not move in right away, she got rid of him.